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Posted by clairey on December 28, 2003, at 16:48:31
Hiya!
dont mean to sound like a desperate bugger but i am!!
I have been getting all this advice and then some say nooo thats not good and im just totally confused now!!I have GAD, constant and fearful worrying that take over my poor poor brain!
I have thought of these and r they any good?
Vit B-50.. 1-2 a day
fish oil.. metagneics brand, 500mg EPA 90-100mg DHA per cap, work up slowly to mabie 4-6 a day.
a good multivitamin once a day
a cal/mag supplement.. not sure how much is good
Mabie niacinamide on the rough days if it works, between 1-4 500mg.
What does lecithin do? i know taking too much can cause nausea so i will go under 1000mg, or will that not be good enough?
Do i need any serotoin supplements or do GAD suffer's not do good with them?
Any input please! i have posted alot i know but i am just in a wizz about it all!!!
Posted by linkadge on December 29, 2003, at 7:21:20
In reply to GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by clairey on December 28, 2003, at 16:48:31
You are definately taking too much. There is a lot of overlap in the suplements you are taking.
Don't take to much lecethin, as the choline content can exasperate panic attacks. Choline, and phosphatly-serine, the contents of lecethin, boost dopamine levels, and can exasperate some anxieties.
Personally, I would clean out your system for two weeks, by drinking clean water, and just eating healthy - no supplements. Then, after this time asses your symptoms to see what the underlying disease is.Go to a health store and get a nutritional analysis done - to see what vitamins and minerals you are actually deficiant in. Suppement accordingly.
If you are still experiencing considerable ongoing anxiety, then you likely have a bad
gene coding for the serotonin transport system. Ie you may need to take low dose medication.I was exactly where you were 2 years ago. I had horrible anxiety, and panic attacks, and I supplemented with everything under the roof. Sure it felt good knowing you were trying to do something about it but, eventually the anxiety was so bad I was in the hospital.
I started a low dose of antidepressant. Then got a nutritional analysis done which revealed I was extremely high everthing except for folic acid.
Unfortunaltey some of us have been given bad genes to start with. And if this is so, you will reach a nutritional plateau where you will only feel worse by adding more supplements.
Its just like a person with bad cholesterol genes. Some of these people can eat only oatmeal and still have cholesterol through the roof. For these people, the medication corrects the problem that nature gave them.
Best of Luck
Linkadge
Posted by Civ on December 29, 2003, at 12:43:01
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on December 29, 2003, at 7:21:20
How does a health store perform a nutritional analysis?
Posted by clairey on December 29, 2003, at 13:01:52
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by Civ on December 29, 2003, at 12:43:01
> How does a health store perform a nutritional analysis?
dunno, decided to go with a product called GABA calm, has gaba, inositol and niacinamide in it and i will take that with fish oil! thats not too many supplements and it should help some i hope.
Posted by linkadge on December 30, 2003, at 12:38:41
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!! » Civ, posted by clairey on December 29, 2003, at 13:01:52
There are many places that can perform a decent nutritional analysis done for around a 100 bucks.
The hair analysis seems to be the most useful as it detects the nutrition over a period of time.I guess what I am really trying to say is that it is possible to have a disorder that is beyond the scope of nutritional medicine. I personally waised a lot of money and a lot of time with nutritional remedies that only provided marginal resuslts.
I am not saying that the same will be true for you, I just want you to be cautious of the warning signs.Linkadge
Posted by clairey on December 30, 2003, at 12:45:41
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on December 30, 2003, at 12:38:41
> There are many places that can perform a decent nutritional analysis done for around a 100 bucks.
> The hair analysis seems to be the most useful as it detects the nutrition over a period of time.
>
> I guess what I am really trying to say is that it is possible to have a disorder that is beyond the scope of nutritional medicine. I personally waised a lot of money and a lot of time with nutritional remedies that only provided marginal resuslts.
> I am not saying that the same will be true for you, I just want you to be cautious of the warning signs.
>
> LinkadgeWow thats alot of money hey!
Think people use supplements to avoid the frug route as many of them play with the brain chemicals like drugs but arent as risky.I want to use a supplement with inositol, GABA and niacinamide in it, and fish oil wont hurt as we all need some omega 3.
Any suggestions on that for me?Thanks alot
claire :)
Posted by linkadge on December 30, 2003, at 14:09:27
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!! » linkadge, posted by clairey on December 30, 2003, at 12:45:41
No those suplements won't do too harm. GABA and Niacin have some activity at the benzodiazapine receptor similar to valium.
Inostol, can help some forms of anxiety and panic. It purportedly can help to restore the sentitivity of serotogenic receptors.
As far as doses go. I don't really know what to say. Take whatever you want, the only restriction would be on niacin, as too high doses can dammage the liver.
Best of Luck
Linkadge
Posted by clairey on December 30, 2003, at 14:59:12
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on December 30, 2003, at 14:09:27
> No those suplements won't do too harm. GABA and Niacin have some activity at the benzodiazapine receptor similar to valium.
>
> Inostol, can help some forms of anxiety and panic. It purportedly can help to restore the sentitivity of serotogenic receptors.
>
> As far as doses go. I don't really know what to say. Take whatever you want, the only restriction would be on niacin, as too high doses can dammage the liver.
>
> Best of Luck
>
> Linkadge
>
>Thanks alot!
It has niacinamide not niacin init, is niacinamide as bad as plain niacin? as i have heard niacin is toxic in higher doeses where as niacinamide isnt.
Thanks
claire
Posted by JLx on December 30, 2003, at 19:13:56
In reply to GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by clairey on December 28, 2003, at 16:48:31
> a cal/mag supplement.. not sure how much is good
Some say a ratio of 2:1 calcium to magnesium is optimal, some others say 1:1. Calcium makes me nuts in even 1:1 balance, but most people don't have this reaction.
Magnesium deficiency is exacerbated by stress, exercise and diet habits that include high sugar/refined carbo/processed foods/saturated fat/cola/alcohol. If you eat lots of nuts, whole grains, legumes and vegetables, otoh, you might be ok.
You won't know what feels good until you try it but I'd consider a least shooting for the U.S. RDA which is 350-400 mg or the Canadian, which is 600 mg/day. I've tried magnesium glycinate, magnesium citrate and magnesium malate and I like malate the best.
It's best to avoid mg oxide (not absorbable and therefore a waste of money) and mg aspartate and glutamate (contraindicated for psychiatric conditions).
Posted by linkadge on December 31, 2003, at 17:04:46
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!! » clairey, posted by JLx on December 30, 2003, at 19:13:56
Yes, niacinamide is better for the liver, but may not be as effective as niacin. At least this is the case with respect to its cholesterol lower abilities.
Best of Luck
Oh, and the imediate release is better than slow release for liver.
Linkadge
Posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 3:46:41
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on December 31, 2003, at 17:04:46
> Yes, niacinamide is better for the liver, but may not be as effective as niacin. At least this is the case with respect to its cholesterol lower abilities.
>
> Best of Luck
>
> Oh, and the imediate release is better than slow release for liver.
>
> Linkadge
Thanks alot for your help! in regards to the liver antidepressants arent that good for it either!claire :)
Posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 6:49:02
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!! » linkadge, posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 3:46:41
Thats not exactly true. While some antidepressant can cause liver problems such as Serzone etc.
(In serzone the effective dose is around 400mg.)Others have been shown to be very clean on the liver. Lexapro is an example where only 10mg is the effective dose. Infact 5mg works verry well for some people. Lex is the most potent and selective serotonin uptake inhibitor available.
Celexa too is very clean on the liver.
I beleive that Zoloft is the only one (other than Serzone) than has been linked to any liver dammage at all. (Unless you are refering to the old tricyclics.)
Linkadge
Posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 10:10:43
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 6:49:02
> Thats not exactly true. While some antidepressant can cause liver problems such as Serzone etc.
> (In serzone the effective dose is around 400mg.)
>
> Others have been shown to be very clean on the liver. Lexapro is an example where only 10mg is the effective dose. Infact 5mg works verry well for some people. Lex is the most potent and selective serotonin uptake inhibitor available.
>
> Celexa too is very clean on the liver.
>
> I beleive that Zoloft is the only one (other than Serzone) than has been linked to any liver dammage at all. (Unless you are refering to the old tricyclics.)
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> Linkadge
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The trycyclics are bad for the heart dont know about the liver. I would prefer to use them anyway if they didnt make me sooo tired! at 10mg of amitriptyline ( took for pain)i wanted to sleep allday!! at 10mg!!!!! but i would prefer triedness to nausea, vomiting, sexual dysfunction and things like suicide and emotionless feelings.
I wont get into that anyway as i would rather not resort to them myself.Thanks for your help!
Posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 12:02:01
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 10:10:43
I prefer a combination of the pharmacudicals and nutrition.
I have had an excellent responce to 10 mg of Celexa, omega 3 and folic acid. I am not drowsy, have very little sexual dysfunction, and am not near suicidal. Infact, I am relieved to finally have something that provides consistant relief.
Some of these side effects are simply indicators that you are taking too much.St. Johns wort made me very spaced out, and I would feel different with every dose (as the active constituants would vary from pill to pill)
of course there are pro's and cons to any therapy, but quite honestly naturaly therapies are not an option for me. If you are doing well, then by all means stick where you are.
Best of Luck
Linkadge
Posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 12:47:47
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 12:02:01
> I prefer a combination of the pharmacudicals and nutrition.
>
> I have had an excellent responce to 10 mg of Celexa, omega 3 and folic acid. I am not drowsy, have very little sexual dysfunction, and am not near suicidal. Infact, I am relieved to finally have something that provides consistant relief.
> Some of these side effects are simply indicators that you are taking too much.
>
> St. Johns wort made me very spaced out, and I would feel different with every dose (as the active constituants would vary from pill to pill)
>
> of course there are pro's and cons to any therapy, but quite honestly naturaly therapies are not an option for me. If you are doing well, then by all means stick where you are.
>
> Best of Luck
>
> Linkadge
>I would try that route but i think they interact with the nausea pill i take sometimes for my stomach disordrer!
My stomach prob started all this anxiety and its now preventing me from getting it treating properly!! goes for natural remedies too as some like 5htp and sjw cause stomach probs.I want to try all the natural things i can before i go down that route! i think one day i may have to do it :(
Have you ever tried inositol for anxiety?
did it produce any noticable side effects like increased anxiety or stomach probs?Take care
claire :)
Posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 14:21:27
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!! » linkadge, posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 12:47:47
I did try inositol for anxiety, it helped somewhat but it made me a little paranoid.
This could have been just me however. I found noticable results with 2 grams per day. It is certainly worth a try.
Linkadge
Posted by clairey on January 1, 2004, at 15:31:22
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 14:21:27
> I did try inositol for anxiety, it helped somewhat but it made me a little paranoid.
>
> This could have been just me however. I found noticable results with 2 grams per day. It is certainly worth a try.
>
> LinkadgeI often get paranoid when i try something new as u r wondering what it may do.
I have got a supplement with gaba and niacinamide and inositol init, give it a whirl!
thanks again
Posted by clairey on January 4, 2004, at 14:18:28
In reply to Re: GAD!! so confused please help me on this!!, posted by linkadge on January 1, 2004, at 14:21:27
> I did try inositol for anxiety, it helped somewhat but it made me a little paranoid.
>
> This could have been just me however. I found noticable results with 2 grams per day. It is certainly worth a try.
>
> Linkadge
I just had another question, did you take inositol on an empty stomach? and does it cause and stomach upset?
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