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Posted by sigismund on January 21, 2020, at 23:26:39
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20191019/msgs/1106794.html
or so I think, I don't know what happened
Posted by sigismund on January 21, 2020, at 23:27:34
In reply to Not my post, posted by sigismund on January 21, 2020, at 23:26:39
misunderstanding
Posted by ert on January 24, 2020, at 4:40:46
In reply to Not my post, posted by sigismund on January 21, 2020, at 23:26:39
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20191019/msgs/1106794.html
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> or so I think, I don't know what happenedThe emperors maybe profitable incredible feat that violates many laws and undermines the rights of defenseless people has bugs. It can mix posts with user names. I ascertained this too but coincidentally only once.
Posted by ert on February 4, 2020, at 9:00:52
In reply to Re: Not my post, posted by ert on January 24, 2020, at 4:40:46
When I came back from Colorado with my canned vegetables such as pickles, beans and carrots I told my husband about the clean air and water. I suggested that the president is maybe right about what he says and the president could be a genius bc of his ascertainment. Obviously the president has a clear mind. There could be clean air in the white house too. Then my husband said that he prefers Nancy Pelosi as a potential president, even though she is not running. I dismissed this notion. I answered that there could be worse presidents but Trump is sometimes right. I often believe what he says. The Bush administration was worse. Has there been legal certainty ? I think there is much more under Trump. I would immediately trust and believe our president, whereas my husband don't.
At home I consulted the new york times to catch up on the corona virus and very accidentally I stumbled over the article below.
I think Burstow could be right considered the aspect that there is patriarchy and in the case of Hsiung there even is dictatorship, theft and maybe personal gain. Also given the statement in his emails
"But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.
Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss.The intention obviously is to make money with the objects but in a way that they shouldn't get cured or leave.
And no one cares actually, even though some people are concerned that the Chinese, namely Huawei could steal medical information with their antennas.
Bonnie Burstow, Psychotherapist Who Rejected Psychiatry, Dies at 74
A self-described feminist therapist, she was a prominent voice in the anti-psychiatry movement, contending that the field is patriarchal.Bonnie Burstow in an undated photo. She said of her female patients, A lot of things that were seen as problematic were reasonable ways for women to cope in a patriarchal, traumatizing world.Credit...Marko Kovacevic
By Julia Carmel
Jan. 31, 2020
Bonnie Burstow, a feminist professor and psychotherapist who became a prominent voice in a movement that opposes psychiatry, in the belief that it is often more damaging than helpful to patients, died on Jan. 4 in Toronto. She was 74.
Simon Adam, a friend and former student, said the cause was kidney failure. She had spent much of her career at the University of Toronto, at its Ontario Institute for Studies in Education.
Professor Burstow became a forceful proponent of the anti-psychiatry movement in the 1970s, a decade or so after it was founded by David Cooper, a South African-born psychiatrist and theorist.
The movement, driven by academic researchers and current and former mental health patients, rejects many psychiatric diagnoses and practices, including electroconvulsive therapy, seclusion therapy and the prescribing of medication.
Professor Burstow contended that many states of mind conventionally described as mental illnesses are in fact rational reactions to social, economic and political conditions.
I always saw the world as having two negative responses to people they arent happy with, she said in a 2009 interview with Psychologys Feminist Voices, a Toronto oral history project. That is either They were bad, in which case they went to the criminal justice system, or they said, They were sick, in which case they went to the psychiatric system. They are mirror images of each other, the mad and the bad.
Professor Burstow asserted that psychiatry, a largely male-dominated field since its inception in the 19th century, is rooted in patriarchy. Psychiatrists, she contended, have long had a tendency to regard troubled women as hysterical and to overdiagnose their conditions and overmedicate them.Women are disordered if they acted like women; women are disordered if they didnt act like women, she said.
Mr. Adam, her former student, said: For Bonnie, the problem was also inherently in the power dynamic created between the recipient of the care and the professional. As soon as a professional enters, it becomes a power dynamic that is incongruent with good care.
In 2017, Professor Burstow donated $50,000 to the University of Toronto to establish an anti-psychiatry scholarship there a move that rankled some on the faculty.
Theyre trying to claim that theres no such thing as psychiatric illness, and I think she did a lot of damage with the publicity she got surrounding that, Edward Shorter, a professor of psychiatry at the university and a longstanding critic of anti-psychiatry, said in a phone interview. The university, he said, made a big mistake in setting up a special scholarship fund in her name; its an anti-psychiatry fund that legitimizes the movement.
Professor Burstow was not a psychologist; she studied philosophy and English as an undergraduate at the University of Manitoba, received a masters in English from the University of Toronto, and then went to England to begin a doctorate in English.
But she returned to Canada before finishing her doctorate and resumed her studies at the University of Toronto, where she received a masters in education. She began practicing as a psychotherapist in 1978 as she pursued a doctorate in educational theory with a psychology minor.
As she worked with patients while completing her doctorate, she noticed a pattern that would push her into the anti-psychiatry movement.
A lot of what was causing women these problems was patriarchy, Professor Burstow said in the oral history. A lot of things that were seen as problematic were reasonable ways for women to cope in a patriarchal, traumatizing world.
By 1979 she was referring to herself as a feminist therapist and publishing research that emphasized the importance of talk therapy. In 1992 she published Radical Feminist Therapy, a book that discusses, among other things, violence against women and their responses to it, including depression and eating disorders.
Unlike a mainstream therapist, she told the magazine Psychology Today in 2016, a feminist therapist locates the major problems with which women struggle not so much inside them but in-the-world.
Bonnie Judith Grower was born on March 6, 1945, in Winnipeg, Manitoba, to Sam and Dena (Bloomfield) Grower. Her mother was an economist for Manitobas provincial government; her father was an aide to the Manitoba minister of health.
She married John Arthur Burstow in 1966, and they divorced in 1972. She leaves no immediate survivors.
Professor Burstow moved against the grain from a young age. She dropped out of school at 12 as a form of protest and, by her account, lied to administrators when she returned a year and a half later in order to skip ahead to ninth grade.
I think that helped me to become an anarchist later on she once said. The knowledge that the system is not in your interest.
Though her work was well received by some peers and students, there were medical professionals and mental health advocates who criticized it, notably when her University of Toronto scholarship was endorsed by the Canadian division of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, an organization established by the Church of Scientology, which also dismisses psychiatry as harmful.
Its clear that she has not had a positive impact on public health or the treatment of illness, Professor Shorter said of Professor Burstow, and its sort of dismaying to think of the number of people who might have been moved by this siren song thinking, Oh, theres no such thing as psychiatric illness, and its all just labeling and marginalization and then commit suicide, because this is not uncommon. These are illnesses with stakes, for sure.
For Professor Burstow, however, bad publicity is invariably better than no publicity, as she wrote after creating her anti-psychiatry scholarship. In many cases, she noted, her critics only brought more supporters to the anti-psychiatry movement.
In 2003, she founded the Coalition Against Psychiatric Assault, an organization whose main focus is banning the use of electroshock therapy.
Along with writing nine books six academic ones and three novels Professor Burstow created two other research scholarship programs at the University of Toronto: one to examine violence against indigenous women, the other to look at anti-Semitism.
But challenging the conventions of the psychiatric establishment remained her central mission.
We have an absolute pretense of what normal is, she said in a 2018 interview with the BBC. People compare themselves to what we say is normal, and its not vaguely like what most people feel.
Posted by ert on February 4, 2020, at 10:54:55
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on February 4, 2020, at 9:00:52
personally I think it should not be ruled out medication or acted ideologically. but the ny article gives some food for thought...
Posted by alexandra_k on February 23, 2020, at 23:08:25
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on February 4, 2020, at 10:54:55
You buy canned carrots? Huh. I only buy fresh or frozen. So many things come in a can that I don't think to buy in cans. Why do you buy canned carrots rather than frozen? Should I give them a try?
I saw the NY times in the library the other day...
I read an interesting article on how it seems that in quite a few hospitals in the US, as well, medical students practice performing cervical examinations (right up to the ovaries) on women who are anesthetised for unrelated procedures without obtaining prior consent.
I did not realise the practice was that prevalent. I did not realise that it would be found in the US. I thought there would be legal protections against it. Apparently there is not. Apparently a woman who drafted her own consent before an operation was told that they would do the operation under those conditons. Consent to medical student participation and helping with their learning was implied in a teaching hospital. I think that might have been... Ohio? Not sure... It surprised me a lot.
The anti-psychiatry article was interesting. I used to be fairly interested in that. I read some of Szasz articles and a book or two. Some of the things he said did sound a bit extreme to me (that there wasnt any such thing as mental illness) but in taking the time to read and think he started to make quite a lot of sense, actually (there are neurological illnesses, for sure, but these behavioral or social problems are more political than anything else.
In the country in which I live we have really really really high rates of child abuse. People abuse their own children. It is fairly standard, normal, typical, for them to be hit and neglected and so on... People treat them like crap, generally. They get the scraps. They are kicked out of the house to get out of under peoples feet.
And of course we don't treat our adults much better.
Business or interactions are thought of as essentially win-lose and essentially exploitative. If you don't have the upper hand they will gain the upper hand on you.
We have very very high suicide rates. Nobody wants to live like that.
There is a psychiatry guy or psychology guy or whatever someplace in NZ and he's forever doing research basically wanting to make chlorpromazine or ketamine or marajuana or whatever free or cheap or generic medication more widely available so people can self-medicate themselves into a state of... Less complain-y.
Instead of fixing the housing problems. The pay structures. The career progressions. The schools. Instead of fixing the social and economic issues.. We can just label 5 per cent? 20 per cent? 25 per cent? Of the people mentally ill and medicate them into... Depression ideally, I guess. A kind of numbness about their situation.
It would be really really really really hard to figure the people who would get significantly better with better living conditions vs the people who would not. Some people... Have severe depressive or manic or whatever episodes in the face of basically okay life.. Seems something neurological, more. Other people... Are driven to insanity by the world around them.
I have come to see / understand my mental illness as being the result of social adn political circumstances.
But I know this isn't the case (or isn't so very much of the case) for others.
Posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:26:34
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by alexandra_k on February 23, 2020, at 23:08:25
My husband and I like vegetables in general, if canned or not.
With your fantastic writing talents, Alexandra, you can make a difference and improve socio economical factors.
But here on that website it does bring New Zealand much.Anyway, in that ny article and this research from Bonnie Burstow is some truth. But the truth is a multifaceted thing. There can be genetic dispositions.
The reticent leaders life long labeling and risks factors that posting here could destroy your life does not sound therapeutic actually, imo.
Posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:28:24
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:26:34
it does bring New Zealand nothing at all when posted here.
> My husband and I like vegetables in general, if canned or not.
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> With your fantastic writing talents, Alexandra, you can make a difference and improve socio economical factors.
> But here on that website it does bring New Zealand much.
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> Anyway, in that ny article and this research from Bonnie Burstow is some truth. But the truth is a multifaceted thing. There can be genetic dispositions.
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> The reticent leaders life long labeling and risks factors that posting here could destroy your life does not sound therapeutic actually, imo.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 5:17:55
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:28:24
well what would you have me do with my writing, ert?
i could give it to the university.
i could PAY the university to give me credit / qualification for work i've done.
but i did that, you see, in 2018, I handed them a 50,000 word thesis and the univerity got all grub grub grubbity grubby grubby on me and refused to give me the Degree.
partly becuase they have decided they are entitled to extract maximum fees (e.g., by double billing / ensuring things run 2x as long).
also partly because they don't like the things I said.
about the slummy slum slum housing.
the slumy slum slum housing that is presently not up to standard such that our international students can self-isolate to do things like bathroom and kitchen and laundry and, you know, study. so they aren't coming.
if corona virus gets into south auckland we will end up with an epidemic. we were experiencing a measles epidemic in south auckland. i'm talking about people being told to 'top and tail' their kids because they are bed-sharing. if you tell people to stay home and their homes are even more over-crowded than the schools...
winter is coming.
the 'art work' around the dunedin medical buildings were the ob gym equipment that used to be used. put in glass show cases about the place. forceps and so on. these torture looking devices. to be motivating and inspiring to all the kiddies, one can only suppose. of why it is that one really really really really must get to do medicine.
there was a 'art work' at auckland. at the top of the stair case. weird voyeristic thing of these 2 guys taking photographs of a woman. a series of them. then off with her head. because, you know, that's what medicine represents to the person who thought it was a lovely thing to put right there.
it detracted, somewhat, from the view out the window of the monstrosity on the hill. some exclusive residential apartment complex in park like grounds. overlooking... everything...
it's very... disturbing. sick. f*ck*d up.
and so blatantly on display.
the art work at the top of the stair case has gone.
the blades 'sculpture' downstairs. a sort of staircase of blades.
these things aren't art work. there is no named artist. there is no blurb by the artist (or commentator) on what context for the thing.
just taking the piss is all.
walking around the library... seeing what books aren't there...
all the donated books... historical medical books and the like that have been defaced and sold off.
the next thing i'm forced to do is take them to court for judicial review to see if a judge will make them give me my degree.
then i guess i go for judicial review of the their decision to decline me entry to medicine because i didn't have that degree.
i don't know that the courts will be any the less corrupt than anything else.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 5:27:56
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:26:34
well, vegetables are a pretty good thing to like.
i wrote a thesis on 'disability and equity for medicine and public health'.
i wrote about the factors that go into producing and maintaining disability in our communities.
about the slummy slum slum housing that was only supposed to be 'temporary'.
about the amount of money the district health board members and the vice chancellors are paid...
while cleaners struggle to get by
(a breeding ground for, why, for things like coronavirus, actually!)
about how the people with the money have seemed to invest in worse futures for more of us.
about how medical selection process appears more discriminatory than anything else.
about how the elite white people and the elite maori people think that equity is about the elite minority screwing over everyone else.
about how our people are hierarchical and win-lose game playing and about how it's unsustainable and it's ruining things for us all.
my thesis was about that.
which pissed everybody off, really.
the thing was to get it done quickly. in a timely fashion. in the 'normal time'. the univerities in NZ won't sign off on graduate research in the normal time, though. they feel entitled to extract maximum money from their students.
so... i suppose i was supposed to be all brown-nosey and express fear and supplication that i wouldn't be eligable to apply to medicine if i didn't finish in teh normal time.
and maybe they would have just culled my application if they allowed me to complete the 1 year program of study over 2 years...
but likely not.
likely they wouldn't have.
basically it isn't supposed to be possible.
there are meant to be regulations so teh universities can't offer '3 year degrees' (to international students, for example) and then structure the degree program (e.g., with compulsory papers) in such a way that it is impossible to complete in 3 years.
but there isn't such a regulation on graduate research degrees.
the university is supposed to base the outcome of examination on teh 'reports' of examiners external to the university. but they don't / won't. they just say 'keep working keep working keep working' to get maximum fees.
i objected loudly.
so they failed me.
i'm getting a lawyer stuff in a couple weeks.
if he isn't able to add value to the case (if he seems more invested in delaying things only) then i'll file it myself.
i think it is a no brainer in the courts. if we have any justice at all.
hopefully they were just buying themselves some time to clean up medical training a little bit before i get to start.
they better be cleaning up medical training.
i don't know. i think they are fairly determined to churn out the next genration of rapists and murderers...
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 5:38:05
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 5:27:56
i'm supposed to be brown nosing and huddling in with a herd of sheeple focused around keeping their kids happy and looking bright and deserving.
but i'd need to be maybe 12 years old with a lobotomy to think that that's an attractive thing to do.
people don't have name badges.
i think they give the medical students (and staff involved with teaching medical students) these dangly trophy necklaces to wear. i guess it's their swipe card access to places only they are allowed to go.
like a long neck tie so it can be dangled about, spreading germs.
i don't know whose idea that was.
i don't know that that person should be allowed to implement their ideas.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:01:45
In reply to Re: patriarchy, posted by ert on March 1, 2020, at 3:28:24
> it does bring New Zealand nothing at all when posted here.
what else is to be done?
New Zealand would prefer it if I shut up.
It would not upset anyone at all if I simply dropped dead in the very near future.
New Zealand thinks it is best for New Zealand if I spent my life on disability - never earning a living wage.
For my disability of being born, here.
Amongst a bunch of money grub grub grubby grubs without the frontal lobe capacity to see the transitory nature of their immoral business strategy and the considerable harms they do across the board.It's a combination of ineptitude and... Malevolence.
Since I returned I have sucked it up, rather a lot.
With respect to this 'starting over' thing.But I have also not been respected at all for the things I was previously recognised to be good at.
I tutored and lectured in NZ and overseas.
I have given more than a dozen talks at conferences and in departments.But I come back to find I don't have speaking rights.
People don't want me asking questions.I come to realise that they actually genuinely truly believe that I'm a retarded fan-boy kind of a person who just liked going along and watching / listening to all of their work. But I wasn't capable of doing any of that. I was just a fan-boy on the side-lines...
Because I fell over and whacked my head?
They actually genuinely seem to think so...
Best case.
Worst case... They know full well I am capable and there is more of a... Malevolence.
It's actually more of the later.
I'm actually not ALLOWED to ask questions.
My stuff is actually NOT PROCESSED once they realise that processing it means I turn out to be one of the better applicants.
They didn't want to enrol me in the graduate research Degree because they *knew* I was capable of doing the work in a timely fashion.
They want to enrol students who they can bully into delaying and holding off and blame themselves for why they don't get their work in on time.But they are a public school.
They take money from the world bank / international monetary fund / government to educate the people of NZ (and fee paying international students).
They have NO GROUNDS to refuse to enrol a suitably qualified candidate (which I am).
So they just delayed it for several months and refused to back-date it to when I started work.
They denied that I submitted a thesis for examination. They kept saying 'it's too early'. But it's a 120 point program of study. Tertiary Edcuation Commission says 120 points = 1200 hours work = 34 notional learning weeks including the examination period.
And they just REFUSE to allow anybody to work to time.
They just REFUSE.They didn't actually have to do much, you see.
They can take longer to enrol me -- but then backdate it to when I start work.
Actually base the outcome of examination on reports of examiners as they are supposed to do. For a change.
For a change.
That's the problem.People here don't do any of the things they are supposed to do.
Illiteracy means all people have has workplace culture. What typically or often or mostly happens gets confused with the way things must be.
They have it into their heads that their job is to make sure nobody gets their work done on time.
In other words: Those paid to educate are actually paid to ensure that only those without the capacity to do the work get the qualification (by paying 2x fees) and those with the capacity to do the work never get the qualification.Join them!
Oh yay.
I'm not that stupid.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:08:02
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:01:45
And at this point I am very very very very angry and very very very very bitter at what has happened with me, since my return, to this country.
I did not start out that way.
It took years and years and years of them treating me like I was progressively becoming more and more and more and more retarded and less and less and less able and less capable of doing...
Anything.
Anything.
Anything at all.
They did know and did see that I was capable.
Genuinely.
They are just seeing how much they can get away with because, well, because, why not?
Why wouldn't you -- if you could get away with it.
Just how invested are the murderers and rapists in our health system in carrying on, business as usual, for them, do you suppose?
Because I suppose that is all the money they will willingly throw away in order to ensure that I'm kept out and to ensure that they only accept to study people who will join them or turn a blind eye to the things they are doing in our health system.
And our education system.
All of it, really.
Our government.
Theres nobody home. They are just gutting this country for everything they can get and thinking they can flee with their riches...
Where the f*ck they think they gonna go?
It's beyond me.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:32:18
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:08:02
Because I go to talks and the talks get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.
And I remember people overseas joking about how they can visit NZ and run a talk they wrote 20 years ago and people in NZ will think it fresh and new. And be all understanding about how it really takes that long to polish work (listen up, kids, that's why it will take us 10 years to edit and re-edit and re-re-re-edit your thesis round and round and round)...
So we don't see any of the new stuff.
And we certainly don't have exposure to work that is genuinely in progress.
There is a diminishing returns situation on work. You get it out at 80 per cent done and then other people can tidy up the formatting / typos situation with fresh eyes to do in hours or weeks what would take you years. And it's supposed to be quid pro quo. But people, here, are only every obstructive.
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And the local talks only got more and more and more and more and more and more depraved.
Ethics talks about how we want to alter the legislation (actually, the altering of legislation was in progress) so we can do experimental research on elderly people who are not capable of providing informed consent. So, we don't need to ask them for informed consent. We can just experiment on them and not ask them for informed consent.
I suggested people be allowed to 'opt off' by way of living will - before they deteriorated to the point of not being able to provide consent. They did not like that.
Psychology talks about how we falsely accuse a student (experimental subject) of stealing something. About how we say they 'have to' come with us and they 'have to' answer our questions about the incident. No reading of their rights, I mean to say. Just bully them into coming with us and bully them into staying in the room indefinately. Bully them into co-operating and answering our questions.
Apparently that one was about how people should have to co-operate with the police because the police are truth-seeking rather than working as part of the prosecution.
I was very surprised they got ethics approval to do that study.
Physiology talks about how we wanted a model of a coma patient so we kept rats in rooms without exercise wheels with rubber around the walls to stop them climbing. Apparently it is really really hard and you have to be really very very devious in how you prevent them from exercising. Because the lengths they will go to to exercise.
All so we can kill them and take biopsy samples of sartorious because we want to do research on rat muscle wasting because...
Because...
Because why wouldn't you, if you could get away with it.
Why on earth not?
The girl actually said she was surprised about the project. That she would be doing a project like that. That that was a worthwhile project to be doing. But her advisor thought that it was. So now she had a PhD thesis project all done and dusted on that. On how she tortured these rats to prevent them exercising. MOdel of a coma patient.
All this sort of research.
I go and listen to talks about stuff like this...
The think tank of New Zealand.
And I'm supposed to... What?
Marvel at their ability to get away with it?
Apprently nobody in NZ has had an ethics problem with any of the research that has been done in NZ since the Cartwright inquiry.
The Cartwright inquiry was how a pathologist got it into his head that cervical changes were reversable rather than being likely to progress to cancer so he said their smears were okay and their uterus was not removed.
A number of those women (apparently mostly young female Maori women) went on to develop cervical cancer and they died.
Apparently people had problems with him at the time thinking that he shouldn't just be observing the progression of... Cancer... Basically. Without intervening.
But it took years for a stop to be put to it.
We do observational studies all the time. Because they are cheap and easy.
Fungi and housing. I think thats a big one. Because fungi are regional. I don't know what species we have. Growing in peoples walls of their houses. Growing in their sinus passages. Growing in their lungs. Dissemating in their bodies. Seeding in their bones. I don't know.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:38:40
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:32:18
They don't publically advertise very many talks at Auckland.
Partly to disguise the fact that there aren't very many talks at Auckland.
Partly to disguise the fact that people don't come here, anymore, to present their research, very much.
They don't get helpful comments on work in progres, you see. They are only met with obstruction and delays.
They don't get helpful comments on completed work, you see. They don't get timely collaboration for future projects. They only are met with obstruction and delays.
And the work that's being done...
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Go away go away go away go away go away!
This is a wasteland for the bullies and rapists and murders to play play play in their playground! Getting away with all the things! Holding back development!
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And so it is.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:43:13
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:38:40
Oh, and there was the talk about organ transplants, too.
That's right.
About how we should legalise selling organs.
Regulate the market.
Profit.A very very very *clever* talk about why things might well be better that way.
I mean...
It's not so terribly different from what we do with blood products -- right?
And when we pay donors for time off work, that's kinda paying them for their donation -- right?Organ trading.
The next big idea on how NZ is gonna bring in the bucks.
Mmm hmm.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 21:08:50
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 19:43:13
There were some good talks, too, to be fair.
An interesting physiology talk about cellular response to mechanical stimulation (by way of tension on the cytoskeletal elements).
I'm interested in that insofar as exercise creates *functional* musculoskeletal elements. I like the idea of exercising *cells*.
I also obsess rather a not (in a non-comprehending way) about the difference between *gravity* and *pressure*. So, how cells don't organise properly and musculoskeletal system breaks down in low gravity environments (space) but people in submarines... Uh... Have pressure equalised cabins? It's the shell of the ship being exercised, not them. I don't know...
And something about tensile strength and compressive strength. And about bones really being about tensile strength really...
I like that kind of stuff. That kind of stuff is cool.
There was also a couple of interesting genetics projects going on.
But I see that you can do these things within medicine.
So...
Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 0:23:33
In reply to Re: what else is to be done?, posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 21:08:50
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/australia-is-real-i-swear
that's an example of the kind of lunacy there is.
in that case she complained -- and found sensible people who apologised for the error and removed the source of the problem.
but here, the lunacy goes all the way up to the VC and seemingly beyond.
This is the end of the thread.
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