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Posted by Willful on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:40
In reply to Re: what?????, posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2013, at 20:02:02
I really don't think this is a question of Jewishness whatsoever.
From what I read, Lou thinks he's being accused of driving Scott away from.
From what I infer, that suggests that Lou probably does have something to do with why Scott hasn't posted recently-- a fact that I have noticed and been concerned about.
If this is so-- and Scott's disappearance has anything to do with his exchanges with Lou, or with Lou's behavior here, or with Admin's unwillingness to limit Lou's acting out here-- I would very much like to know.
I am really disturbed to find that the one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board so as to be toxic on such a level.
Willful
Posted by Phillipa on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:40
In reply to Re: what?????, posted by Willful on August 29, 2013, at 20:12:40
Not just Scott, Laney, & I know a lot of others. Since they didn't respond on this thread I can't speak for them. They must have already left. Soon it could be Lou's board. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:41
In reply to Re: what?????, posted by Willful on August 29, 2013, at 20:12:40
> I really don't think this is a question of Jewishness whatsoever.
>
> From what I read, Lou thinks he's being accused of driving Scott away from.
>
> From what I infer, that suggests that Lou probably does have something to do with why Scott hasn't posted recently-- a fact that I have noticed and been concerned about.
>
> If this is so-- and Scott's disappearance has anything to do with his exchanges with Lou, or with Lou's behavior here, or with Admin's unwillingness to limit Lou's acting out here-- I would very much like to know.
>
> I am really disturbed to find that the one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board so as to be toxic on such a level.
>
> WillfulW,
What you wrote about me could induce hostile, disagreeable and disparaging opinions and feelings against me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held. This is because there is not a citation of a URL of what you say is a negative influence and be toxic on such a level. This then can lead others to think of a lot of things as what you wrote about me which opens the door to speculation. This could stigmatize me and arouse anti-Semitic feelings if the reader thinks that what is the *negative influence* could be my postings to save lives and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. In particular, but not limited to, my recent posting concerning a new heart and a new spirit that comes from the scriptures that the Jews use as in Ezekiel 36:26-28 that I recently posted here.
If you could post a URL that you use to substantiate what you write about me here, then readers could make their own decision as to if what you write about me here is true or not and I could respond to you and show the context that whatever you post about me here is in.
Lou
Posted by herpills on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:41
In reply to Re: what?????, posted by Willful on August 29, 2013, at 20:12:40
It's all so ridiculous isn't it?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:41
In reply to Re: what????? » Willful, posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2013, at 20:36:49
> Not just Scott, Laney, & I know a lot of others. Since they didn't respond on this thread I can't speak for them. They must have already left. Soon it could be Lou's board. Phillipa
P,
What you wrote that readers could think is about me could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me and decrease the respect and confidence in which I am held. This is because there is not a reason cited by you, as to what I have posted, for the people that you say have left, and it could be thought by a subset of people that they left because of my postings here. This could mean that readers could speculate that the postings of mine from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me is why they left. This could cause me to be stigmatized and put me and other Jews in a false light, for I post here like others and abide by the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung and the rules as any other human being can try to do. If you could post what you use to substantiate what it is by a URL of a post from me that you use in your writing about me here, then readers could make their own determination as to what you say about me is true or not and I could respond to you and show the context.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:41
In reply to Re: what????? » Willful, posted by herpills on August 29, 2013, at 21:11:24
> It's all so ridiculous isn't it?
h_p
What you wrote could cause ill will toward me. This is because there is not a person named, or what the content is that you clam is ridiculous. This could cause others to think that I, and maybe another, could be doing something that is ridiculous. If you could identify what you want readers to focus on with a URL, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:42
In reply to Lou's response- » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 29, 2013, at 21:13:13
That's okay since not Jewish rather impossible to respond from a Jewish perspective? By the way what's a Jewish perspective? I truly don't know? Phillipa
Posted by herpills on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:43
In reply to Lou's response- » herpills, posted by Lou Pilder on August 29, 2013, at 21:17:28
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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:44
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2013, at 21:19:14
> That's okay since not Jewish rather impossible to respond from a Jewish perspective? By the way what's a Jewish perspective? I truly don't know? Phillipa
P,
You asked what a Jewish perspective is. This is how a Jew views life and we start with the first statement in the scriptures that the Jews use in the book called Genesis, which states:In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.
That perspective is only the start. But the statement says much more than can be seen. For that there is a God that creates, then there could be a reason for this creation of the heavens and the Earth. And in that same book, it is written that God made man in his image, and breathed the breath of life into him, which now gives more meaning to the creation. Now we have life. And later in that same book death came into the world.
I am here to reveal to you the mysteries to how you can overcome death, and be free from the shackles of depression and addiction. I am prevented from posting here how that could be done due to the prohibitions posted to m here by Mr. Hsiung.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 30, 2013, at 15:14:30
In reply to Lou's reply- » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 30, 2013, at 14:44:44
to the word "stuck".....
Posted by Phil on August 30, 2013, at 16:57:48
In reply to Lou gives new meaning, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 30, 2013, at 15:14:30
LOL That got me.
Posted by Phillipa on August 30, 2013, at 20:59:01
In reply to Re: Lou gives new meaning » Moishe Pipik, posted by Phil on August 30, 2013, at 16:57:48
I guess we got redirected so the thread would die as that seems to have been the pattern in the past. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
In reply to Lou gives new meaning, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 30, 2013, at 15:14:30
> I just wish he'd stay away. I don't think he's helping anyone!
>
> LaneyHe may be helping in his way. Is it helping him to wish he'd stay away?
> one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board
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> WillfulAll that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing.
> Soon it could be Lou's board.
>
> PhillipaIs that one source of anxiety? What would Babble be like if it were Lou's?
> Lou gives new meaning
> to the word "stuck".....
>
> Moishe PipikThe rock and the hard place could both be said to be stuck.
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> i read once that a restaurant has had a 'great run' if it lasts 10 to 15 years. i am curious what the equivalent in the faster pace world of the internet, what time length represents 'a good run? for a online site?
>
> anyway, i think (hoping) babble will survive. but, with a much smaller and dedicated group. nothing wrong with that.
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> johnBabble's already lasted 15 years. I don't know how to convert web site years into restaurant years, but 15 dog years would be 89 human years.
I feel grateful that Babble's had a great run and survived to old age. And given that, I guess it isn't surprising that there's anxiety about the future.
I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
Bob
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 31, 2013, at 15:45:54
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> > I just wish he'd stay away. I don't think he's helping anyone!
> >
> > Laney
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> He may be helping in his way. Is it helping him to wish he'd stay away?
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> > one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board
> >
> > Willful
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> All that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing.
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> > Soon it could be Lou's board.
> >
> > Phillipa
>
> Is that one source of anxiety? What would Babble be like if it were Lou's?
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> > Lou gives new meaning
> > to the word "stuck".....
> >
> > Moishe Pipik
>
> The rock and the hard place could both be said to be stuck.
>
> --
>
> > i read once that a restaurant has had a 'great run' if it lasts 10 to 15 years. i am curious what the equivalent in the faster pace world of the internet, what time length represents 'a good run? for a online site?
> >
> > anyway, i think (hoping) babble will survive. but, with a much smaller and dedicated group. nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > john
>
> Babble's already lasted 15 years. I don't know how to convert web site years into restaurant years, but 15 dog years would be 89 human years.
>
> I feel grateful that Babble's had a great run and survived to old age. And given that, I guess it isn't surprising that there's anxiety about the future.
>
> I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> BobBob, do you constantly play the same open-ended question game with family, friends and colleagues? Or do you save it for when you're wearing your shrink hat?
I effin guarantee that nobody likes it. Is there a real human being behind the shrink school pretentiousness?
Posted by Poet on August 31, 2013, at 16:40:23
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> > Soon it could be Lou's board.
> >
> > Phillipa
>
> Is that one source of anxiety? What would Babble be like if it were Lou's?From what I have observed, in my brief time back, is that the Administration Board appears to already be Lou's board to express his opinions and "reminders."
> I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> BobWhat I see of the "smaller and dedicated group" currently posting on this board is not supportive, but combative. It's like Posters v.Lou, Lou v. Posters, Posters v. Bob and Bob v. Posters by answering questions with questions.
I always knew posting here was just a written form of a rodent running a maze, but darn it once and awhile the treat at the end of it was mentally nourishing.
I hope you can save Psychology and Social. I miss the support I used to receive and offer to others.
Poet
Posted by Free on August 31, 2013, at 17:43:08
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> Babble's already lasted 15 years. I don't know how to convert web site years into restaurant years, but 15 dog years would be 89 human years.
>
> I feel grateful that Babble's had a great run and survived to old age. And given that, I guess it isn't surprising that there's anxiety about the future.
>
> I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> Bob
Hi Bob,I accept things as they are and choose to dwell on the positive possibilities, so I'm copasetic with whatever group size Babble is offering these days. I don't visit often (busy family life), but it's comforting to know that you and Babble are here. I think of Babble as a imperfectly perfect and unique place that's evolving on its own journey. And it's OK.
I hope you are OK and enjoying the last days of summer. :)
-Free
P.S. Congratulations on Dr-Bob.Org's 15 years! Quite amazing, considering most restaurants close within their first year and average life span being 5 years for those that make the first year mark. :)
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 19:46:00
In reply to Re: Not A Single Notification From Babble A First » Phillipa, posted by johnLA on August 30, 2013, at 14:42:09
Thank you for posting that SLS had taken a break - I didn't know that, but it helped me to know. I had been wondering what was up with him. I hope he is having a pleasant holiday, too, and look forward to his return.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 19:47:56
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> > one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board
> All that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing.
You mean 'doing nothing' in the sense of refraining from making positive posts. Not in the sense of refraining from posting negative posts about posts they consider to be negative - right?
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:40:27
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
It is changing the niche, somewhat. Which would have appeal to a perhaps different kind of poster. E.g., people who feel most comfortable welcoming newbies probably wouldn't feel most at home on a site with relatively few newbies.
Smaller groups can potentially be more intimate. That was something that came up when things were larger. Larger groups encourage more superficial interaction. Some people are more comfortable with more superficial interaction, though.
I always liked the process aspect of Babble. I do get the point that not much changed... But I also thought that for quite a lot (though not all, of course) part of what made things hard was relative lack of constancy or consistency. I'm fairly sure I needed to butt heads on more than a few occasions... Just to check that there was something there... If that makes sense. I think sometimes posters do that. I'm not entirely sure what I'm saying... But I spent times on other sites where the moderators intentionally tried to be more flexible and I found them to be... Unreliable. I don't suspect anyone can ever genuinely accuse Bob of unreliability. Hmm.
I always did like the idea of a small group - though I remember other posters being vehemently against the idea. In some manifestations, anyway, because being part of a small group of moderators (for example) was thought to be different, or being able to post to an exclusive entry chat room (for example) was thought to be different.
I have come to feel even more strongly in favor of small groups. NZ is the anti gated community country if any country is... And I think this is a very mixed thing that deserves serious consideration because it does indeed have the potential to hold us back indefinitely. I understand the 'tall poppy syndrome' allegation, now, and see how that plays out... I see why the white people came building fences... I see Maaori saying they want soverignty which means a dual realm with their own parliment... Which is basically voluntary segregation... I see Maaori saying they want control over health and education (for example) of their own people - then a problem being that not enough are able to gain entry to programs to train people to provide these services so entry and passing requirements are lowered or abolished until you have... Talking and laughing and smiling and... Well... Lets hope they still get PKU tests done and the like or perhaps the idea really is to ignore western medicine and really just shun benefits of modern society like internet and power and heating and sewerage systems...
but i digress.
i don't think the masses are good people. hitler was democratically elected. the masses would electocute an innocent under the instruction of someone wearing a white coat. do we really want the masses?
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:46:44
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:40:27
I actually like the layout here. It reminds me of LaTeX compared to Word. Word looks flashy and pretty but... It isn't. It is ugly, actually. Newer is not always better. Newer is... Newer. Most people like newer. Because most people think newer must be better. But marketing... Corrupts. LaTeX hasn't changed much... Because... It doesn't need to. There isn't anything wrong with it.
(Except that I need to put a lot more effort in to understand the formatting instructions. I expect it is... Like the effort required in order to touch type. Word... Well... I sucked it up and did a series of courses on how to properly use Word and Endnote and: They simply are buggy and corruptible. Your files simply will crap out at some point. They are designed to be that way: So you are forced to buy current versions. This is why I have developed a fear of everything becoming online... Constant subscription fees or you lose everything. Move countries and you are supposed to lose your i-tunes. Did you know that?)
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:54:41
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:46:44
Which is perhaps partly why I don't feel like 'finding' things for free online is stealing. Because when things I've paid for disappear or corrupt I feel that they have been stolen from me. Loss of confidence. I see things going 'ka-boom!' if things don' get sorted out... If confidence isn't restored.
Some fields do utilize LaTeX. My field (unfortunately) still requires Word Documents.
Notepad document with formatting instructions. Reliable. As.
But this would require...
Effort.
Which is a limited resource these days. What, with the time that tv etc takes up... And the amount of time people need to spend fixing up the work (or lack of) done by others...
Why is the world so f*ck*d up??
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 22:36:16
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2013, at 20:40:27
> > > Soon it could be Lou's board.
> >
> > Is that one source of anxiety? What would Babble be like if it were Lou's?
>
> From what I have observed, in my brief time back, is that the Administration Board appears to already be Lou's board to express his opinions and "reminders."
>
> > I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> What I see of the "smaller and dedicated group" currently posting on this board is not supportive, but combative. It's like Posters v.Lou, Lou v. Posters, Posters v. Bob and Bob v. Posters by answering questions with questions.
>
> I always knew posting here was just a written form of a rodent running a maze, but darn it once and awhile the treat at the end of it was mentally nourishing.OK, Lou's board = a board on which only Lou posts. I don't think anybody, not even Lou, wants that.
Admin is an exception here in that it isn't intended to be supportive. In a way, Admin is the Politics of Babble. And politics is about one party v. another, one interest group v. another, one set of values v. another. I wouldn't be surprised if only a small and dedicated group found it mentally nourishing to be in politics.
> I hope you can save Psychology and Social. I miss the support I used to receive and offer to others.
>
> PoetI can enforce the rules, but that isn't what's going to save Psychology and Social. I hope posters can keep Psychology and Social going.
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> > > one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board
>
> > All that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing.
>
> You mean 'doing nothing' in the sense of refraining from making positive posts. Not in the sense of refraining from posting negative posts about posts they consider to be negative - right?
>
> alexandra_kRight. Posting a negative post about a negative post is still posting a negative post. Two negatives don't make a positive.
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> > I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> It is changing the niche, somewhat. Which would have appeal to a perhaps different kind of poster.
>
> I always did like the idea of a small group
>
> I understand the 'tall poppy syndrome' allegation, now, and see how that plays out...
>
> alexandra_kI hadn't heard that term before, so I read a little about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome
Are you suggesting that Babble could be considered a group of tall poppies?
Bob
Posted by Poet on September 1, 2013, at 12:12:49
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 22:36:16
I didn't realize that the Admin Board was designed to be combative. So I guess it's like a Courtroom where you are the judge and posters are the jury, prosecution and defense. As for my statement on mental nourishment I was referring to all Boards in general, not exclusively this one. I should have made that clearer, I agree that I doubt anyone would find Admin mentally nourishing, it's more migraine inducing.
Poet
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 1, 2013, at 12:35:55
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 15:00:14
> > I just wish he'd stay away. I don't think he's helping anyone!
> >
> > Laney
>
> He may be helping in his way. Is it helping him to wish he'd stay away?
>
> > one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board
> >
> > Willful
>
> All that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing.
>
> > Soon it could be Lou's board.
> >
> > Phillipa
>
> Is that one source of anxiety? What would Babble be like if it were Lou's?
>
> > Lou gives new meaning
> > to the word "stuck".....
> >
> > Moishe Pipik
>
> The rock and the hard place could both be said to be stuck.
>
> --
>
> > i read once that a restaurant has had a 'great run' if it lasts 10 to 15 years. i am curious what the equivalent in the faster pace world of the internet, what time length represents 'a good run? for a online site?
> >
> > anyway, i think (hoping) babble will survive. but, with a much smaller and dedicated group. nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > john
>
> Babble's already lasted 15 years. I don't know how to convert web site years into restaurant years, but 15 dog years would be 89 human years.
>
> I feel grateful that Babble's had a great run and survived to old age. And given that, I guess it isn't surprising that there's anxiety about the future.
>
> I'm OK with a smaller and more dedicated group. Anybody else?
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...all that is necessary for the triumph of negative butterflies is that positive butterflies do nothing..]. That was your response to:
[...one person's negative influence can, like the butterfly effect, move through an entire message board...].
I could be thought to be the subject person as the negative butterfly in your post and be the cause of negativity in the entire site here . This of what you have written about me IMO could stigmatize me and I could be a victim of anti-Semitic violence.
Now that brings up that there could be IMHO a subset of readers influenced by you to consider me to be *negative*. And more than that, those readers could see me in a false light, for what I am supposed to be negative for is not specified by you. This means that anything that I post could be considered by them to be what is the subject of why I have this badge put on me as a *negative* in this community. This then could be that I post from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. This could IMHO have the potential to arouse anti-Semitic feelings to a subset of readers. It also IMHHHO could induce hostile and disagreeable and disparaging opinions and feelings against me and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held. And much worse for me and other Jews, there is the potential IMHHHHHO for readers in countries where hatred toward the Jews is state-sponsored, and even in countries where hatred toward the Jews is not state-sponsored, for Jews to be targeted for harm on the basis that those influenced by what you wrote here about me could arouse hatred toward the Jews along with that those readers could think that it is supportive for me to have the badge put on me as a negative member of this community. I do not want readers to see me having a badge of shame put on me by you or anyone else
Lou PIlder
Posted by alexandra_k on September 1, 2013, at 20:13:04
In reply to Re: anxiety about babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2013, at 22:36:16
> Are you suggesting that Babble could be considered a group of tall poppies?sure. i thought people here always did think that one of the nice things about this place was that it seemed to attract the more articulate and reflective posters.
the layout isn't likely to attract the 10 year olds posting their 'lolz i understand u 4 realz but srsly r u ok?' crowd.
but it would be nice if things picked up a bit, yeah. i get the feeling there are a bunch of posters lurking in the wings waiting for something to happen... i don't know what that something needs to be. i guess all i can do is do my thing and maybe people will come and maybe people won't. i don't know.
larry?
10?
so many...
cricket
rainbowbrite
damos
i shouldn't even start because then i get to searching the archives and there are so many...
jai narayan
susan47
auntiemel
atticus
so many...i suspect a lot of people... got better. or found alternative outlets. i don't know...
i don't know.
chat bothers a lot of people, though. it bothers me, too. 2 second refresh delay and a lot of the time it doesn't update. it is more bother than it is worth which is a shame, i think.
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