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Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 6, 2013, at 0:32:09
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2013, at 2:35:24
yea dr-bob, i've posted similar things here on babble to facebook , i got deletion extreme, its more of a social thing...babble is just lol babble...
and one thing i've got to lay off doing is talking so much here....i do want to help build this site more like a info database....for medical stuff....
but really i talk too much here, silence really could be golden and have simple reponses...write too much.....
but yea babble is just babble in itself lol
Posted by Poet on August 6, 2013, at 13:13:03
In reply to Re: Poet!!!!!!, posted by Partlycloudy on August 5, 2013, at 18:35:30
Maybe there was a silent message in cyberspace that it's okay to post again?
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 6, 2013, at 14:25:42
In reply to Re: Poet!!!!!! » Partlycloudy, posted by Poet on August 6, 2013, at 13:13:03
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 6, 2013, at 14:59:09
In reply to Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Twinleaf on July 21, 2013, at 10:05:14
I may not have suggestions to make PB better, but I can say that while membership and participation have dwindled over the years, the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift. I wonder if he espouses such an unchanging, un-evolving, one-size-fits-all approach to therapy, in general.....
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 6, 2013, at 14:59:09
> the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift.
He hasn't even changed his posting name!
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on August 7, 2013, at 20:32:27
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
I didn't either. I am who I am. Phillipa
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:17:13
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
> > the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift.
>
> He hasn't even changed his posting name!
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> BobAh - pride in intractibility. Impressive.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:52:30
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:17:13
I'm sure there are many like me who were ostracized for being "different", starting at a very early age. The "problem" really surfaces when starting school, where compliance, obedience, conformity, etc. are the currency of "success". So, from very early on, we took constant psychological battering by teachers, peers and parents as a result. If we didn't learn to be like "them", we were screwed. Adult life and the working world revealed little more tolerance of "non-compliers" than we experienced earlier in life. The implicit AND explicit message was, "Do it our way, or else!".
So, we come to a place like Babble, expecting maybe something a little different, where the participants might have a better understanding of what it's like to be treated poorly for no better reason than not being quite like the mainstream. Yet, the experience here is no different, and compliance to the likes of political-correctness is vigorously pursued by the administration, as well as many members. The same message as the one we've been endlessly beaten with prevails here: "Do it like the mainstream, or else!".
I made that mistake for much too much of my life - the mistake of believing that there was something terribly wrong with me that wouldn't be fixed unless I could become one of "them". A lifetime of that message exacts its toll, and one would think a purported mental-health support site would understand that. I honestly don't think that Babble supports anything other than the compliance model that has been so damaging in so many ways (remember that the compliant "successful" people are running our government and business and doing a fine job of effing everything up).
"One size fits all" is a horrible maxim for a society, and Babble is no different.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 14:06:48
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:52:30
how does PB evolve to become a place where differences are valued, celebrated, shared, learned-from, etc.?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2013, at 14:16:56
In reply to So, the question is..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 14:06:48
> how does PB evolve to become a place where differences are valued, celebrated, shared, learned-from, etc.?
M_P,
You wrote,[...differences are valued...]
Posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 12:54:17
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:52:30
Oddly enough, I saw the civility guidelines in the completely opposite way. Where people who were "different" could come and expect to be treated with respect. And where lack of that respect would not be tolerated.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on August 9, 2013, at 13:02:29
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 12:54:17
Posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 13:03:42
In reply to lol (nm) » Dinah, posted by HomelyCygnet on August 9, 2013, at 13:02:29
I don't know why you think we're so different.
Cygnet, see thyself.
Posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 13:13:53
In reply to Re: lol » HomelyCygnet, posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 13:03:42
I take that back.
We aren't really so alike at all.
Man, I hate hope. Hope hurts.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on August 9, 2013, at 14:20:20
In reply to Re: lol, posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 13:13:53
Posted by HomelyCygnet on August 9, 2013, at 14:23:19
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:52:30
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:30:36
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 12:54:17
> Oddly enough, I saw the civility guidelines in the completely opposite way. Where people who were "different" could come and expect to be treated with respect. And where lack of that respect would not be tolerated.
I suppose that was the GOAL of the guidelines, but it didn't seem to work as well in actual practice. The enforcement devolved to some degree of pettiness, where something that MIGHT be interpreted as offensive got as much attention as something blatantly offensive. Jeez, almost anything can be taken the wrong way. The silly mathematical block calculation formulae added yet another layer of dumb.
People being watched all the time cannot be relaxed, be themselves, be spontaneous, be honest, etc.. The result is a rather sterile and banal forum.
Posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 17:33:27
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble... @ Dinah, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:30:36
Well, I appreciate that you agree that that may have been the goal. I think the world would be a lot nicer if people acknowledged that people can have the same goal, even if they disagree on the best method to achieve it.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:38:19
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Poet on August 3, 2013, at 14:54:59
Swimming pools often have shallow and deep ends, and there are often kiddie pools, too.
Maybe PB needs an "Adult section" and a "kiddie pool". If you're not comfortable swimming in the deep end, best you stay in the kiddie pool. If you go into the deep end and get splashed, too bad - you entered at your own risk (and it was posted, too!). And if you go into the kiddie section and pee in the water, you get admonished/blocked (that's posted, as well).
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:42:40
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble... @ Dinah » Moishe Pipik, posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 17:33:27
> Well, I appreciate that you agree that that may have been the goal. I think the world would be a lot nicer if people acknowledged that people can have the same goal, even if they disagree on the best method to achieve it.
>
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I detect an assumption of universal agreement about said goals.
Posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 17:46:23
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble... @ Dinah, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:42:40
> So, we come to a place like Babble, expecting maybe something a little different, where the participants might have a better understanding of what it's like to be treated poorly for no better reason than not being quite like the mainstream.
Sorry, I thought we agreed about the above. Never mind.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 18:12:47
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble... » Moishe Pipik, posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 17:46:23
> > So, we come to a place like Babble, expecting maybe something a little different, where the participants might have a better understanding of what it's like to be treated poorly for no better reason than not being quite like the mainstream.
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> Sorry, I thought we agreed about the above. Never mind.
>
>
A simple misunderstanding, as I wasn't sure what you were referring to.
Posted by Homely Cygnet on August 9, 2013, at 19:22:58
In reply to Swimming pools and Babble, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 17:38:19
Maybe some of us are just outies in an inny world.
But why do we keep coming back to the Babble Inn?
Repetition compulsion perhaps?
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 19:30:56
In reply to O Mr Pipik the things you say !!!!! » Moishe Pipik, posted by Homely Cygnet on August 9, 2013, at 19:22:58
> Maybe some of us are just outies in an inny world.
>
> But why do we keep coming back to the Babble Inn?
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> Repetition compulsion perhaps?
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>For me, it's curiosity, mostly. Now and again, I wonder if Bob or the members have learned anything new.
Posted by Homely Cygnet on August 9, 2013, at 19:46:44
In reply to Re: O Mr Pipik the things you say !!!!!, posted by Moishe Pipik on August 9, 2013, at 19:30:56
And how do you deal with the disappointment?
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