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Posted by Twinleaf on July 24, 2013, at 14:14:46
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2013, at 23:47:06
Comparing views of Babble to emotional states in really not relevant or appropriate. There have been real changes, not just ones derived from our states of mind. It's simply a fact that there are far fewer posters, and even fewer posters posting in an intimate manner. Whether one is pleased or saddened by this fact is due to individual preference, but probably not to the amount of depression an individual may be feeling ( or not feeling).
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 26, 2013, at 14:24:41
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble? » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on July 24, 2013, at 14:14:46
i've read some of the responses, yes babble is declined in some of the support, lost some of its life, but you know we can't look back to the past and say "oh it was better back then" what im saying is to focus on improving babble, but there is alot of obstacles in the way....not the posters, just the content that happened since 2006, it declined, but don't focus on how much it was better then, we can make it better than 2006....its just a part of things, like the stock market, it goes up to lively levels of properity and it also goes down to loss vary much to effecting the economy, similar to what happened in 2008 to the econemy....
another solution is needed, the past is the past, don't use it to current times, my view is the view the current time and plan more things from the present to progress into the future....just forget everything that was in the past, its the past....and of course there is alot of things that are causing decay to babble, but just like reforms in congress, there can be reforms to babble....the only thing that has cause decay is corruption...not to any posters here on babble, but just the format of how it changed into what it is now.
so....dr-bob created babble in 1997-98 it slowly began to grow....but the only thing to make it get out of the slump it is right now is reforms, and its hard to complete
maybe we can just suggest things, there is poster that causes anger, and sometimes makes people new to babble...to not post....so trying to get this poster who is a bit scary to new posters...he keeps doing the same format, even to rebuke and comlaints to his posting, its the same thing over again....im trying to think of something to change this format that keep repeating itself...rebuke and complaints are not effective, and can not terminate through the facebook delete or block...option, so the only way i see right now is to find out how this poster thinks, and to reason with him....
if things options cannot rule over, there is the option of redoing the format of the whole babble concept...starting a new forum website is difficut especially since it caues money, and ratings of viewers....
Posted by SLS on July 26, 2013, at 14:38:34
In reply to Re: redo everything, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 26, 2013, at 14:24:41
Tomorrow People
Tomorrow people, where is your past?
Tomorrow people, how long will you last?If you don't know your past, you don't know your future
- Ziggy Marley
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 26, 2013, at 19:35:53
In reply to Re: redo everything, posted by SLS on July 26, 2013, at 14:38:34
yes, that it true, maybe I used too much of my personal views, but how I see it....for me, I've had good memories and experiences and not good...it's kind like having a file, you read the file, and yes like the quote you have to know the past, but keeping the past, and the knowedge and stuff....but to make new use both the past and ideas...thts what I kida wanted dr-bob to read mybe to redo some of the things to make babble more lively like I was 7 years ago....
but im not the one to rally make the descion, its the babble members.....im only suggesting maybe some options....don't want to have high in the sky ideas
thaks..
Posted by SLS on July 26, 2013, at 20:14:09
In reply to Re: redo everything, posted by rjlockhart37 on July 26, 2013, at 19:35:53
"Tomorrow People"
Tomorrow people, where is your past?
Tomorrow people, how long will you last?If you don't know your past, you don't know your future
- Ziggy Marley
> yes, that it true, maybe I used too much of my personal views, but how I see it....for me, I've had good memories and experiences and not good...it's kind like having a file, you read the file, and yes like the quote you have to know the past, but keeping the past, and the knowedge and stuff....but to make new use both the past and ideas...thts what I kida wanted dr-bob to read mybe to redo some of the things to make babble more lively like I was 7 years ago....
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> but im not the one to rally make the descion, its the babble members.....im only suggesting maybe some options....don't want to have high in the sky ideas
> thaks..I guess there is a balance of sorts that allows one to live in the present and actualize the moment.
I like the way you think, by the way.
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on July 26, 2013, at 23:08:31
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Moishe Pipik, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2013, at 21:15:24
> > whatever the f[*]ck those might be
>
> Please don't use language that could offend others.
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> More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Thanks,
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> BobI'm sorry you got blocked. I hope you come back when your block is up.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2013, at 23:17:48
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble? » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on July 24, 2013, at 14:14:46
> > So part of Babble feels it's doom and gloom.
> >
> > While another part of Babble feels it's OK.
> >
> > Like a person who's depressed?
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> It's simply a fact that there are far fewer posters, and even fewer posters posting in an intimate manner. Whether one is pleased or saddened by this fact is due to individual preference, but probably not to the amount of depression an individual may be feeling ( or not feeling).1. That's a good point, feeling it's doom and gloom may just be a way of expressing a preference for a different state of affairs.
2. I didn't mean to imply that those who feel it's doom and gloom are depressed.
3. What I meant was, sometimes a person who's depressed feels it's doom and gloom on one level and on another level that it's OK, that "there's no reason" to feel it's doom and gloom. So in that way Babble could be like a person who's depressed.
Bob
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 27, 2013, at 23:12:04
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2013, at 23:17:48
Dr bob, there's always a reason to see doom and gloom. ;-)
And maybe, there's always a reason to see things in a lighter/brighter way.
I don't know about all that.
But...I'm impressed that you've kept this site going.
I guess it must be worth it to you? Somehow?
I guess I've found reason enough for the past.... Uh, omg, like 10 years, to keep wandering around here.
And in that time, Facebook and twitter have become forces to be reckoned with! The Internet is craaaaazzzzy!
Posted by sigismund on July 28, 2013, at 1:59:28
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2013, at 23:17:48
> It's simply a fact that there are far fewer posters, and even fewer posters posting in an intimate manner.
How could anybody be pleased with that (except the person posting)?
Maybe some are?
Relishing disappointment as I do......
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 28, 2013, at 23:08:44
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by sigismund on July 28, 2013, at 1:59:28
> Dr bob, there's always a reason to see doom and gloom. ;-)
> And maybe, there's always a reason to see things in a lighter/brighter way.And maybe there's something to be said for being reminded of both.
> I'm impressed that you've kept this site going.
> I guess it must be worth it to you? Somehow?
> I guess I've found reason enough for the past.... Uh, omg, like 10 years, to keep wandering around here.
> And in that time, Facebook and twitter have become forces to be reckoned with! The Internet is craaaaazzzzy!
>
> sleepygirl2I guess it's worth it to all of us who are here. Do you get something out of Babble that you don't get out of FB and Twitter?
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> > It's simply a fact that there are far fewer posters, and even fewer posters posting in an intimate manner.
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> How could anybody be pleased with that (except the person posting)?
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> sigismundI'm starting to appreciate some possible reasons:
1. They could feel less exposed.
2. They could feel it's more like a refuge.Bob
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 28, 2013, at 23:31:47
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 28, 2013, at 23:08:44
Tweeting has never caught on with me.
Facebook.... I'm addicted to it, and I tend to fight with people there about politics, silly, silly, guaranteed to make me unhappy.
On PB, I'm anonymous, I'm talking about myself, maybe.
People tend to be more respectful. There's a few people here I like very much, because who they are comes through.
And, really, where else can I talk about meds and therapy.
On Facebook, the best thing I can do is post cute pictures of cats and stuff, and feel inferior for seeing the updates in my acquaintances lives.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2013, at 2:35:24
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble? » Dr. Bob, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 28, 2013, at 23:31:47
> Facebook.... I'm addicted to it, and I tend to fight with people there about politics, silly, silly, guaranteed to make me unhappy.
> On Facebook, the best thing I can do is post cute pictures of cats and stuff, and feel inferior for seeing the updates in my acquaintances lives.> On PB, I'm anonymous, I'm talking about myself, maybe.
> People tend to be more respectful. There's a few people here I like very much, because who they are comes through.
> And, really, where else can I talk about meds and therapy.Hmm, maybe it makes sense for PB and FB to evolve in different directions, since they occupy different niches in the online ecosystem.
Bob
Posted by Poet on August 3, 2013, at 14:54:59
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2013, at 2:35:24
Wow, I leave babble and the whole place seems to be in chaos. ;)
The reason my last post was sometime in late 2009 was that I am extremely private and was horrified that something I said would be linked to facebook.
If PB and FB went in different directions, it might bring back some old timers, like me.
Poet
Posted by alexandra_k on August 3, 2013, at 23:13:27
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Poet on August 3, 2013, at 14:54:59
welcome back :-)
Posted by Dinah on August 4, 2013, at 17:59:54
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Poet on August 3, 2013, at 14:54:59
I'm so happy to see you!
I've been wondering how you were. (Would you be interested in our Psychology Babble virtual reunion? I'd love to catch up and see how you were doing.)
Posted by Poet on August 5, 2013, at 12:50:02
In reply to Poet!!!!!!, posted by Dinah on August 4, 2013, at 17:59:54
Hi Alex and Dinah,
I've been lurking for the last few months and thought I'd post my thoughts on PB and FB. I think the virtual reunion seems safe enough, ie, confidential so sure I'll join in.
I'm doing okay, unemployed (AGAIN)so life seems to be going around and around once again.
Poet
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 5, 2013, at 18:35:30
In reply to Re: Poet!!!!!!, posted by Poet on August 5, 2013, at 12:50:02
> Hi Alex and Dinah,
>
> I've been lurking for the last few months and thought I'd post my thoughts on PB and FB. I think the virtual reunion seems safe enough, ie, confidential so sure I'll join in.
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> I'm doing okay, unemployed (AGAIN)so life seems to be going around and around once again.
>
> PoetHi there, I was drawn back too.
Ain't life a hoot.PC
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 6, 2013, at 0:32:09
In reply to Re: Is Babble in trouble?, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2013, at 2:35:24
yea dr-bob, i've posted similar things here on babble to facebook , i got deletion extreme, its more of a social thing...babble is just lol babble...
and one thing i've got to lay off doing is talking so much here....i do want to help build this site more like a info database....for medical stuff....
but really i talk too much here, silence really could be golden and have simple reponses...write too much.....
but yea babble is just babble in itself lol
Posted by Poet on August 6, 2013, at 13:13:03
In reply to Re: Poet!!!!!!, posted by Partlycloudy on August 5, 2013, at 18:35:30
Maybe there was a silent message in cyberspace that it's okay to post again?
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 6, 2013, at 14:25:42
In reply to Re: Poet!!!!!! » Partlycloudy, posted by Poet on August 6, 2013, at 13:13:03
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 6, 2013, at 14:59:09
In reply to Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Twinleaf on July 21, 2013, at 10:05:14
I may not have suggestions to make PB better, but I can say that while membership and participation have dwindled over the years, the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift. I wonder if he espouses such an unchanging, un-evolving, one-size-fits-all approach to therapy, in general.....
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 6, 2013, at 14:59:09
> the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift.
He hasn't even changed his posting name!
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on August 7, 2013, at 20:32:27
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
I didn't either. I am who I am. Phillipa
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:17:13
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:16:27
> > the founder has done virtually nothing to liven things up. Not even so much as a facelift.
>
> He hasn't even changed his posting name!
>
> BobAh - pride in intractibility. Impressive.
Posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:52:30
In reply to Re: Why Babble is in trouble..., posted by Moishe Pipik on August 8, 2013, at 13:17:13
I'm sure there are many like me who were ostracized for being "different", starting at a very early age. The "problem" really surfaces when starting school, where compliance, obedience, conformity, etc. are the currency of "success". So, from very early on, we took constant psychological battering by teachers, peers and parents as a result. If we didn't learn to be like "them", we were screwed. Adult life and the working world revealed little more tolerance of "non-compliers" than we experienced earlier in life. The implicit AND explicit message was, "Do it our way, or else!".
So, we come to a place like Babble, expecting maybe something a little different, where the participants might have a better understanding of what it's like to be treated poorly for no better reason than not being quite like the mainstream. Yet, the experience here is no different, and compliance to the likes of political-correctness is vigorously pursued by the administration, as well as many members. The same message as the one we've been endlessly beaten with prevails here: "Do it like the mainstream, or else!".
I made that mistake for much too much of my life - the mistake of believing that there was something terribly wrong with me that wouldn't be fixed unless I could become one of "them". A lifetime of that message exacts its toll, and one would think a purported mental-health support site would understand that. I honestly don't think that Babble supports anything other than the compliance model that has been so damaging in so many ways (remember that the compliant "successful" people are running our government and business and doing a fine job of effing everything up).
"One size fits all" is a horrible maxim for a society, and Babble is no different.
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