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Posted by Lou Pilder on December 2, 2010, at 10:00:37
Mr. Hsiung,
Now there is another outstanding notification from me. I am asking:
A. That you post in the thread your rationale for allowing that statement in question to stand, if that is your intention to allow it to stand. If you could, then the membership could make their own determination as to why I have posted the reminder to you that there is the outstanding notification along with other determinations that they could make arising out of any answer that you post there.
B. That if you are making the decision not to post your rationales for allowing the statement to stand,if you are going to allow it to stand, to post in the thread in question why you will not do that. If you could, then members could make their own determination as to why your terms of service(TOS) in regards to that you state that you will either post in the thread or email the member using the notification procedure as to your rationale for allowing the statement to stand, as to why I have posted these reminders of outstanding notifications to you.
C. That if your reason for allowing the notification to go this far as that a reminder is posted to you is that you are {busy}, could you post what that means in regards to that you are posting here after the reminders are posted and stilll there is no action in the thread or emnail to me with your rationale to allow the statement in question to stand?
D. That if there is any potential at all for someone to be injured emotionally or psychologically, or even die because the notification is outstanding, by the statenment being allowed to remain unanswerd by you according to your TOS, that you post here what your rationale could be to say that since you are busy it will remain outstanding while you post concerning things that have come up after I sent the notification?
E. Since there are many, many outstanding notifications from me, and outstanding requests, could you post here your meaning of your tos in regards to that you do what will be good for the communty as a whole and you say to trust you and that you want to be fair?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dinah on December 27, 2010, at 9:28:01
In reply to Lou's request-gudphoardahkumuntee, posted by Lou Pilder on December 2, 2010, at 10:00:37
Perhaps it would be useful for you to make a general refresher on notifications, Dr. Bob.
As I understand it, notifications go to you and the deputies. You will handle them when you have time. This may be two hours, two days, two weeks, but hopefully not two months. What period of time should a poster wait before assuming you have forgotten? You will contact posters to tell them you have decided *not* to act on a notification, but if you do act then you don't reply.
(I think personally that I don't assume you read the notification until I've seen you being active on board. I suppose I have some notion that you read notifications before going over the board on your own. I don't include changing the picture. I suspect you don't actually need to go to Babble to change the picture?)
As I understand it, you do try to respond to notifications, although once several notifications have been made by a poster towards a single poster with no administrative action, you will not necessarily respond to each notification thereafter. But you will still read and act on those notifications when you see fit?
Do you consider it necessary to justify the fact that you decide not to act and give a rationale? Or do you just say that the notification was received and you have decided not to act?
If I remember correctly, you don't act on posts over a certain age. What is the time period after which you won't act on an old post? I actually approve of this policy. I wouldn't want to wake up one day and find that I've gotten a PBC for a post made so long ago I don't even recall what I was trying to say. And of course, civility rules change over time. My post on "I statements" is no longer completely accurate because you implemented the notification system and changed the method of reporting posts.
If you clarify the expected results of the notification system, it might be helpful to any Babble poster who uses the system.
(And as an aside, I think you might find that if you look at notifications promptly, it might be *less* work for you than if you waited. So that if you're avoiding it because it will take too much time, you're setting up a self fulfilling expectation. I'm not saying you're doing that of course, or making an assumption about your reasons. I'm just proposing an idea that might be helpful *if* you do think along those lines. Perhaps you could set up a fifteen minute appointment every day to review notifications? I find it's much easier to find time to do something once it's in my calendar.)
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2012, at 6:42:27
In reply to Lou's request-gudphoardahkumuntee, posted by Lou Pilder on December 2, 2010, at 10:00:37
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Now there is another outstanding notification from me. I am asking:
> A. That you post in the thread your rationale for allowing that statement in question to stand, if that is your intention to allow it to stand. If you could, then the membership could make their own determination as to why I have posted the reminder to you that there is the outstanding notification along with other determinations that they could make arising out of any answer that you post there.
> B. That if you are making the decision not to post your rationales for allowing the statement to stand,if you are going to allow it to stand, to post in the thread in question why you will not do that. If you could, then members could make their own determination as to why your terms of service(TOS) in regards to that you state that you will either post in the thread or email the member using the notification procedure as to your rationale for allowing the statement to stand, as to why I have posted these reminders of outstanding notifications to you.
> C. That if your reason for allowing the notification to go this far as that a reminder is posted to you is that you are {busy}, could you post what that means in regards to that you are posting here after the reminders are posted and stilll there is no action in the thread or emnail to me with your rationale to allow the statement in question to stand?
> D. That if there is any potential at all for someone to be injured emotionally or psychologically, or even die because the notification is outstanding, by the statenment being allowed to remain unanswerd by you according to your TOS, that you post here what your rationale could be to say that since you are busy it will remain outstanding while you post concerning things that have come up after I sent the notification?
> E. Since there are many, many outstanding notifications from me, and outstanding requests, could you post here your meaning of your tos in regards to that you do what will be good for the communty as a whole and you say to trust you and that you want to be fair?
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
In regards to your reminder provision, the above. I am also including the following requests.
F. What criteria do you use, if any, to post to others now on the board while my requests/notifications remain outstanding?
G. Would you be willing to post here why your deputy has also not responded to my outstnading requets/notifications, if you know?
H. Would you agree that children reading this site could be influenced in their thinking about Jews as a result of that there are numerous outstanding requests from me to you that I think have the potential to arouse antisemitic feelings as long as those posts in question that IMHO have that potential, remain outstanding?
K. Would you agree that if a statement here that has the potential to arouse ill-will toward me is allowed to stand, that others could be encouraged to also post what could arouse ill-will toward me?
L. Would you agree that (redacted by respondent) as in the historical record when persecution of the Jews was encouraged by (redacted by respondent).
Lou PIlder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2013, at 13:34:18
In reply to Lou's request-gudphoardahkumuntee-reminder, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2012, at 6:42:27
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Now there is another outstanding notification from me. I am asking:
> > A. That you post in the thread your rationale for allowing that statement in question to stand, if that is your intention to allow it to stand. If you could, then the membership could make their own determination as to why I have posted the reminder to you that there is the outstanding notification along with other determinations that they could make arising out of any answer that you post there.
> > B. That if you are making the decision not to post your rationales for allowing the statement to stand,if you are going to allow it to stand, to post in the thread in question why you will not do that. If you could, then members could make their own determination as to why your terms of service(TOS) in regards to that you state that you will either post in the thread or email the member using the notification procedure as to your rationale for allowing the statement to stand, as to why I have posted these reminders of outstanding notifications to you.
> > C. That if your reason for allowing the notification to go this far as that a reminder is posted to you is that you are {busy}, could you post what that means in regards to that you are posting here after the reminders are posted and stilll there is no action in the thread or emnail to me with your rationale to allow the statement in question to stand?
> > D. That if there is any potential at all for someone to be injured emotionally or psychologically, or even die because the notification is outstanding, by the statenment being allowed to remain unanswerd by you according to your TOS, that you post here what your rationale could be to say that since you are busy it will remain outstanding while you post concerning things that have come up after I sent the notification?
> > E. Since there are many, many outstanding notifications from me, and outstanding requests, could you post here your meaning of your tos in regards to that you do what will be good for the communty as a whole and you say to trust you and that you want to be fair?
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> In regards to your reminder provision, the above. I am also including the following requests.
> F. What criteria do you use, if any, to post to others now on the board while my requests/notifications remain outstanding?
> G. Would you be willing to post here why your deputy has also not responded to my outstnading requets/notifications, if you know?
> H. Would you agree that children reading this site could be influenced in their thinking about Jews as a result of that there are numerous outstanding requests from me to you that I think have the potential to arouse antisemitic feelings as long as those posts in question that IMHO have that potential, remain outstanding?
> K. Would you agree that if a statement here that has the potential to arouse ill-will toward me is allowed to stand, that others could be encouraged to also post what could arouse ill-will toward me?
> L. Would you agree that (redacted by respondent) as in the historical record when persecution of the Jews was encouraged by (redacted by respondent).
> Lou PIlderMr Hsiung,
In regard to your reminder policy, the above.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2013, at 8:18:37
In reply to Lou's request-gudphoardahkumuntee-reminder, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2012, at 6:42:27
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Now there is another outstanding notification from me. I am asking:
> > A. That you post in the thread your rationale for allowing that statement in question to stand, if that is your intention to allow it to stand. If you could, then the membership could make their own determination as to why I have posted the reminder to you that there is the outstanding notification along with other determinations that they could make arising out of any answer that you post there.
> > B. That if you are making the decision not to post your rationales for allowing the statement to stand,if you are going to allow it to stand, to post in the thread in question why you will not do that. If you could, then members could make their own determination as to why your terms of service(TOS) in regards to that you state that you will either post in the thread or email the member using the notification procedure as to your rationale for allowing the statement to stand, as to why I have posted these reminders of outstanding notifications to you.
> > C. That if your reason for allowing the notification to go this far as that a reminder is posted to you is that you are {busy}, could you post what that means in regards to that you are posting here after the reminders are posted and stilll there is no action in the thread or emnail to me with your rationale to allow the statement in question to stand?
> > D. That if there is any potential at all for someone to be injured emotionally or psychologically, or even die because the notification is outstanding, by the statenment being allowed to remain unanswerd by you according to your TOS, that you post here what your rationale could be to say that since you are busy it will remain outstanding while you post concerning things that have come up after I sent the notification?
> > E. Since there are many, many outstanding notifications from me, and outstanding requests, could you post here your meaning of your tos in regards to that you do what will be good for the communty as a whole and you say to trust you and that you want to be fair?
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> In regards to your reminder provision, the above. I am also including the following requests.
> F. What criteria do you use, if any, to post to others now on the board while my requests/notifications remain outstanding?
> G. Would you be willing to post here why your deputy has also not responded to my outstnading requets/notifications, if you know?
> H. Would you agree that children reading this site could be influenced in their thinking about Jews as a result of that there are numerous outstanding requests from me to you that I think have the potential to arouse antisemitic feelings as long as those posts in question that IMHO have that potential, remain outstanding?
> K. Would you agree that if a statement here that has the potential to arouse ill-will toward me is allowed to stand, that others could be encouraged to also post what could arouse ill-will toward me?
> L. Would you agree that (redacted by respondent) as in the historical record when persecution of the Jews was encouraged by (redacted by respondent).
> Lou PIlderMr Hsiung,
In regards to your policy to keep remindoing you, the above
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 13, 2013, at 9:54:30
In reply to Notification/Justification/Guidelines Dr Bob?, posted by Dinah on December 27, 2010, at 9:28:01
> Perhaps it would be useful for you to make a general refresher on notifications, Dr. Bob.
>
> As I understand it, notifications go to you and the deputies. You will handle them when you have time. This may be two hours, two days, two weeks, but hopefully not two months. What period of time should a poster wait before assuming you have forgotten? You will contact posters to tell them you have decided *not* to act on a notification, but if you do act then you don't reply.
>
> (I think personally that I don't assume you read the notification until I've seen you being active on board. I suppose I have some notion that you read notifications before going over the board on your own. I don't include changing the picture. I suspect you don't actually need to go to Babble to change the picture?)
>
> As I understand it, you do try to respond to notifications, although once several notifications have been made by a poster towards a single poster with no administrative action, you will not necessarily respond to each notification thereafter. But you will still read and act on those notifications when you see fit?
>
> Do you consider it necessary to justify the fact that you decide not to act and give a rationale? Or do you just say that the notification was received and you have decided not to act?
>
> If I remember correctly, you don't act on posts over a certain age. What is the time period after which you won't act on an old post? I actually approve of this policy. I wouldn't want to wake up one day and find that I've gotten a PBC for a post made so long ago I don't even recall what I was trying to say. And of course, civility rules change over time. My post on "I statements" is no longer completely accurate because you implemented the notification system and changed the method of reporting posts.
>
> If you clarify the expected results of the notification system, it might be helpful to any Babble poster who uses the system.
>
> (And as an aside, I think you might find that if you look at notifications promptly, it might be *less* work for you than if you waited. So that if you're avoiding it because it will take too much time, you're setting up a self fulfilling expectation. I'm not saying you're doing that of course, or making an assumption about your reasons. I'm just proposing an idea that might be helpful *if* you do think along those lines. Perhaps you could set up a fifteen minute appointment every day to review notifications? I find it's much easier to find time to do something once it's in my calendar.)D,
You wrote [...the notifications go to..the deputies...].
This brings up the following questions that I have and if you could post answers to them, I think that could go a long way to saving lives here.
A. If the notifications also went to you when you were a deputy, and they are outstanding, what is your rationale for you not posting your response to my outstanding notification then?
B. Would you be willing to post here what any discussion between you and the other deputies and/or Mr Hsiung that has the potential to
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