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Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
Those who are antisocial/psychopaths are known to be charismatic and popular.
I don't think anyone should be censored because their posts are unpopular or seem unhelpful by some. He's pretty transparent-clear about the content of his posts in the title. I read a link to one of the videos he posted, and I didn't agree with it very much. I might check another one someday when I feel up to it, and might learn something from it.
People who are autistic may come across differently to others-do ya'll think it's possible that some here could be in the autism spectrum? (re: "computer-like" criticism)
I respect Lou for his individuality, and as JustHerself pointed out, he can really touch your heart sometimes. I pesonally think Lou is a kind person.
Posted by Willful on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by topcatclr on August 7, 2010, at 12:16:56
But we can't really know other people's motives from reading their posts here.
It's really important to give people respect, I think. And also the benefit of the doubt.
So even if if disagree with people, I try to do that. Of course, sometimes you have more experiences with someone, and come to comclusions.
But still, it's important to treat people respectfully. We all lose perspective on that sometimes-- but I do think it's an important way of approaching people here. even if you don't like what they're saying.
If you think Lou's posts are unhelpful, or even may upset some others, couldn't you at least address him respectfully-- here-- as part of the way we're trying to keep this a good place for dialogue and not being hurtful to others-- even others we privately don't like?
Willful
Posted by 10derHeart on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by topcatclr on August 7, 2010, at 12:16:56
wow.
Was that absolutely necessary? A little kindness goes a long way here and everywhere.
Isn't it hard to determine something as big as respect when you have never even met a person? I often find when I have negative reactions to someone's words or behaviors, later when i get to know their story and what brought them to this place and time, I don't so much feel that way any more, even if we still completely disagree.
Posted by 10derHeart on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » topcatclr, posted by 10derHeart on August 7, 2010, at 14:18:24
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by violette on August 7, 2010, at 12:51:35
>I respect Lou for his individuality
Me too
I don't have an investment, but take psych drugs (agomelatine, Xanax).
Really, when I come across one of those long disputes on Admin and then Lou comes along doing his thing, it's so strange and wonderful it cracks me up and makes my day, and that's not such a bad thing, and like I say, I don't actually agree with him about much, but our world would be a poorer place without him. That's how I see it.
Posted by Brainbeard on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)), posted by sigismund on August 7, 2010, at 14:53:57
It seems to me that {redacted by respondent} reproduces his own tormenting inner music in us by means of violent and repetitive non-communication.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to To suffer with the suffering, posted by Brainbeard on August 7, 2010, at 15:11:44
BB
Have you ever taken Ritalin and Dexedrine together?
There was a discussion about the different ways they work and how the combination might be synergistic.
Posted by Brainbeard on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: To suffer with the suffering » Brainbeard, posted by sigismund on August 7, 2010, at 15:31:14
> BB
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> Have you ever taken Ritalin and Dexedrine together?
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> There was a discussion about the different ways they work and how the combination might be synergistic.Thanks for the subject change. Seriously. (As an aside, I'm wondering who'll get blocked and why. If. Then. But.)
To answer your question: I have. I think they potentiate each other, and there may also be some metabolic interaction that I would have to google up. But I didn't like the mix very much. Dex and Rita are so completely different; I think they work best without the other, each drug doing its own thing.
Rita is crude, Dex is smooth: but there's much more to it. Currently, I find that Rita is like a wild horse that can be tamed and used for riding over thorns and thistles; while Dex is subtle like a dolphin that swims away from under your feet.
Posted by europerep on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » topcatclr, posted by Willful on August 7, 2010, at 13:14:00
> If you think Lou's posts are unhelpful, or even may upset some others, couldn't you at least address him respectfully-- here-- as part of the way we're trying to keep this a good place for dialogue and not being hurtful to others-- even others we privately don't like?
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why doesn't he show some respect for the individuals he posts his messages too? in his "request" posts there is never ever a single phrase saying that he wants to help, or that he's sorry someone is feeling bad but thinks that there might be a different way to go about things, etc... all he does is hold his so-called "research" in front of you, and asking you to justify how, in light of these "facts", you can still be taking drugs? I don't consider that respectful.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by europerep on August 8, 2010, at 9:31:19
Hmm. I guess if I wanted to, I could think of medication warning posts like the side effect/warning inserts the pharmacy has given me with meds-and ignore them/throw them away. Or the warnings on the bottle-I don't pay any attention to those. But I am glad they are there.
Once in a while, I read those pharmacy inserts, if I'm waiting in line or something. On one occasion, I was really surprised at what I found as my doctor never told me about the possibility.
But usually don't pay much attention to them overall. If I was anxious about taking the medication to begin with-I might be more inclined to read the warnings so it could possibly affect me more if that was the case.
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:59
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by violette on August 7, 2010, at 12:51:35
>People who are autistic may come across differently to others-do ya'll think it's possible that some here could be in the autism spectrum? (re: "computer-like" criticism)
I have suspected this, which is why I kinda regret making a few of the posts I made. My cousin is autistic and I have worked with autistic children and one child with Asperger's.
I understand both perspectives here, both those that are frustrated and those that are appreciative.
None of us are perfect, and we are all hurting in some way. Some of us let our anger and frustration get the best of us, it's hard not to do at times. This makes it very difficult to react positively to Lou's posts.
I am willing to give Lou the benefit of the doubt. I do think Lou means well.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:59
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 10:11:48
Yeah, I hear you....and if I was anxious about taking medications, it might affect me more.
I know with my present stress levels that my frustrations are more likely to come across.
Anyway, that was a nice post...and very realistic.
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:59
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)), posted by sigismund on August 7, 2010, at 14:53:57
Again, why would i respect someone who promotes fear? Discussion is one thing, promoting fear is another. If you guys feel good about it, have fun, but i don't think it is beneficial towards recovery and can be quite harmful to the people who are doing well. Really, most people understand the risks. Why amplify them to the point of hysteria?
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:59
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)), posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 11:19:53
>Again, why would i respect someone who promotes fear?
Again, I understand your sentiments, still, I am going to give Lou the benefit of the doubt that he does not solely promote fear. I will admit that we have no reason to believe that "fear" may be one way that Lou tries to get his message through, still, this does not mean that his agenda is not well intended.
I do understand your anger and frustration. I have felt some of the same anger and frustration, maybe not quite to the same extent, but I have felt it.
Morgan
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:59
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)) » topcatclr, posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 11:34:28
I really don't care what his agenda is, just what it creates, fear!
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:21:00
In reply to The horse and the dolphin, posted by Brainbeard on August 8, 2010, at 2:11:56
Thank you, BB, for your informative and poetic reply.
I had hopes that their different mechanisms might yield a more profitable experience when used together.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:21:00
In reply to Re: The horse and the dolphin » Brainbeard, posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 15:33:23
>I had hopes that their different mechanisms might yield a more profitable experience when used together.
Not that I can get either, of course.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2010, at 19:33:12
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by europerep on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
> why doesn't he show some respect for the individuals he posts his messages too?
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Thanks, sigismund, Conundrum, Justherself, violette, gardenergirl, Willful, and 10derHeart, for trying to help this time.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceLou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2010, at 19:41:47
In reply to Re: LOU, posted by chujoe on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
> he just doesn't have a place here if he continues to send his tiring message. It flat out is not productive and just ends up aggravating people here more than helping them.
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> Morgan> Thank you, My thoughts exactly.
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> polarbear206> Yes, let me join in this sentiment.
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> chujoePlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceLou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by BayLeaf on August 8, 2010, at 19:51:05
In reply to Re: blocked for week » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2010, at 19:33:12
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:53:13
In reply to Re: blocked for week » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2010, at 19:33:12
I think the blocking of europep was completely unnecessary. He was simply expressing how he felt in a way that was not putting down Lou. This is a funny place sometimes. My highly qualified therapists in group therapy would never have reacted this way. Oh well...
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 9, 2010, at 1:30:05
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Dr. Bob, posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:53:13
> I think the blocking of europep was completely unnecessary. He was simply expressing how he felt in a way that was not putting down Lou.
Well, reasonable people can disagree.
> My highly qualified therapists in group therapy would never have reacted this way.
Maybe not, but please remember that this isn't group therapy...
Bob
Posted by violette on August 9, 2010, at 9:10:12
In reply to nice to see you changed those subject lines! (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by BayLeaf on August 8, 2010, at 19:51:05
I am so glad to see that change too.
Posted by morgan miller on August 9, 2010, at 22:13:11
In reply to Re: group therapy, posted by Dr. Bob on August 9, 2010, at 1:30:05
> > I think the blocking of europep was completely unnecessary. He was simply expressing how he felt in a way that was not putting down Lou.
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> Well, reasonable people can disagree.
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> > My highly qualified therapists in group therapy would never have reacted this way.
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> Maybe not, but please remember that this isn't group therapy...
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> BobI think I understand
Morgan
Posted by PartlyCloudy on August 11, 2010, at 17:45:41
In reply to Re: group therapy, posted by morgan miller on August 9, 2010, at 22:13:11
> > > I think the blocking of europep was completely unnecessary. He was simply expressing how he felt in a way that was not putting down Lou.
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> > Well, reasonable people can disagree.
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> > > My highly qualified therapists in group therapy would never have reacted this way.
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> > Maybe not, but please remember that this isn't group therapy...
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> > Bob
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> I think I understand
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> MorganHi, Morgan. I'm PartlyCloudy.
I think there is a group dynamic in play here, but unlike group therapy, there's no leader or active guidance. It's up to us (within the written guidelines in the FAQs) to steer our own behaviors towards each other.I know that I have learned many things in the time I've been here; one of those things is how quickly heated exchanges can become when people have strong beliefs. Sometimes they can be conducted in a highly spirited and excited way. At other times it can turn awry and feelings can be hurt. I know I tend towards quiet and the "delete" key (generally) whereas previously I would post and post away, often with regretable - on my part - results.
pc
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