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Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
Does Lou mean well, really? From the little i have read from him it seems he is intent on scaring people. Nothing more. I rarely post on this board but when i do it is usually to call out the scare mongers who are so counter productive to mental health. I usually piss people off because i sometimes sound harsh, but i have NO tolerance for this propaganda. I don't really care if this gets me thrown off this board because i really care more about the people that need help than i do about Lou's "feelings"! Sometimes you have to call them out. Like i always have said, if you feel better, have a more productive, functional life on meds, great. If not, stop. That's all that matters. Not any one persons experience. I would have been locked up in my room for the last 15 years if not for drugs like Cymbalta, Lexapro etc. Are there risks? Sure. Is there a risk for severe, crippling depression where you can be a non functioning human being? Yes. Pick your poison. Lou has no right scaring people who are doing well on meds. He is the person who should be thrown off the board, but if i am, so be it! By the way, i do believe dosage has a lot to do with success and/or side effect relationships.
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 12:22:09
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, I like to do that with people.
I will admit, his posts do seem to be a bit self-indulgent, wanting more to get people to buy into his beliefs than to really help them.
I will also have to admit, I have been guilty at times of being self-indulgent and making posts where I was trying to influence people to believe in what I believe in, in the absence of being supportive. I do believe I was also trying to help people at the same time. So I am going to give Lou the benefit of the doubt for now.
Morgan
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by morgan miller on August 6, 2010, at 12:34:56
i have all the evidence i need. I have seen enough. Just speak the truth regardless of the consequences. He is nothing but a scare monger. There is so much proof of the benefits of ADs it's not worth talking about!
Posted by Conundrum on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 13:14:33
Go to google and type in "permanent sexual dysfunction" and see what comes up. Three links and one video about SSRIs causing sexual dysfunction. If you include "SSRI" in that search, you will see that many people suffer with permanent sexual dysfunction. You can also find similar things about permanent short term memory loss, problems concentrating, and emotional blunting.
There are benefits and dangers with taking psych drugs. I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns. I would leave if this site became so pro med that there would be no room for criticism, because it would no longer be honest at the point. It would just be well... propaganda.
So while Lou's posts can be redundant I think it is important that people weigh their choices before taking a psych drug. Its not a choice to be taken lightly, and people should know all the information and talk to their doctors about it. I would wish that Lou would not associate antidepressants with antipsychotics since they have separate benefits and risks.
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by Conundrum on August 6, 2010, at 14:43:13
>I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns.
Did you read our posts? There is no fair dialogue(that would be normal healthy back and forth conversation). It is the way things are presented when he makes his posts. It's simply counterproductive.
Geeze, I feel like I'm part of a witch hunt. I don't want this to seem like one. I just want to back up others' feelings about how Lou communicates his message and how it is counterproductive to what this forum is all about.
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 12:22:09
Does Lou mean well, really?
Yes
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Lou's request- tymtutym » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 5:54:31
Lou, it's a bit hard to search for them. The ones I like involve the pictures you paint and the poetical way they embody hope.
No one has to read your posts if they don't want to.
I like (or try to tolerate) the diversity of life.
As I said I don't agree with you about drugs, though I'm more likely to agree with you about meds.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
There's another relevant question someone could ask Lou.
"Lou, have you suffered any damage from psychiatric drugs?"
I assume that is what this is about.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Lou's request- tymtutym » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 5:54:31
This question was asked to Sigismund, but I'd like to post an answer.
Here's a post I liked. That was really cute Lou!
hehe 'a salted'> inanimate peanut,
> Thank you for the post above.
> Lou
> PS...I also like your posting name and I hope that you never are a salted.
> Louhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100628/msgs/952612.html
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request- tymtutym » Lou Pilder, posted by violette on August 6, 2010, at 18:04:28
This is just one example of how Lou can touch your heart:
"The poster was singing a different song. The poster was painting a beautiful scene. There were masterpices going across my screen."
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to LOU = SPAM, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » chujoe, posted by sigismund on August 6, 2010, at 17:38:05
Posted by morgan miller on August 6, 2010, at 15:43:13
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by Conundrum on August 6, 2010, at 14:43:13
>I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns.
Did you read our posts? There is no fair dialogue(that would be normal healthy back and forth conversation). It is the way things are presented when he makes his posts. It's simply counterproductive.
Geeze, I feel like I'm part of a witch hunt. I don't want this to seem like one. I just want to back up others' feelings about how Lou communicates his message and how it is counterproductive to what this forum is all about.
What Morgan said!
There is a big difference between just constantly posting about all the scary things that can happen to people who must take meds, and having reasonable discussions about the possible side effects. Most people are well aware of the risks associated with these meds, and yet need to take them anyway. For many they can be a lifesaver. Put some scary thoughts into the head of a fragile mind and then maybe a person doing well might decide to stop taking meds, sometimes with tragic results. Lou does not post from a position of a caring person. He has an agenda that has nothing to do with helping anyone. Sure i don't have to read his posts. He does not scare me at all so i read them. It's the people who don't know better that i worry about, that's where I'm coming from. I hope Lou gets thrown off. He does more damage with one post than i ever could. I have seen guys like him come and go over the years and they are all the same.Something went wrong in there life and they want to bring everyone down with them. A little common sense and all the crap he talks about just do not happen!
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)Conundrum, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 23:13:39
We're all unique and all have different posting styles.
I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)Conundrum » topcatclr, posted by Justherself54 on August 7, 2010, at 1:21:28
> I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
>
> That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.That's an absolutely excellent way to approach posting here. I'm sure there are still folks who WOULD say what's been said in this thread over a pot of coffee face to face with someone, but I have to believe that not everyone would.
Lou, we've talked in the past about having a coffee or something together. I'm sure that would be enjoyable, and I value your participation here. I'm sorry if you've felt hurt by any of the discussion about your posting habits.
gg
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » Justherself54, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2010, at 11:35:03
> I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
>
> That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.No i would not sit at a coffee table with Lou and speak to him about anything! Me and Lou would never be friends so why would i want to have coffee with him? I don't have "Friendly" discussions with people i don't respect!
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
Those who are antisocial/psychopaths are known to be charismatic and popular.
I don't think anyone should be censored because their posts are unpopular or seem unhelpful by some. He's pretty transparent-clear about the content of his posts in the title. I read a link to one of the videos he posted, and I didn't agree with it very much. I might check another one someday when I feel up to it, and might learn something from it.
People who are autistic may come across differently to others-do ya'll think it's possible that some here could be in the autism spectrum? (re: "computer-like" criticism)
I respect Lou for his individuality, and as JustHerself pointed out, he can really touch your heart sometimes. I pesonally think Lou is a kind person.
Posted by Willful on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by topcatclr on August 7, 2010, at 12:16:56
But we can't really know other people's motives from reading their posts here.
It's really important to give people respect, I think. And also the benefit of the doubt.
So even if if disagree with people, I try to do that. Of course, sometimes you have more experiences with someone, and come to comclusions.
But still, it's important to treat people respectfully. We all lose perspective on that sometimes-- but I do think it's an important way of approaching people here. even if you don't like what they're saying.
If you think Lou's posts are unhelpful, or even may upset some others, couldn't you at least address him respectfully-- here-- as part of the way we're trying to keep this a good place for dialogue and not being hurtful to others-- even others we privately don't like?
Willful
Posted by 10derHeart on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by topcatclr on August 7, 2010, at 12:16:56
wow.
Was that absolutely necessary? A little kindness goes a long way here and everywhere.
Isn't it hard to determine something as big as respect when you have never even met a person? I often find when I have negative reactions to someone's words or behaviors, later when i get to know their story and what brought them to this place and time, I don't so much feel that way any more, even if we still completely disagree.
Posted by 10derHeart on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » topcatclr, posted by 10derHeart on August 7, 2010, at 14:18:24
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by violette on August 7, 2010, at 12:51:35
>I respect Lou for his individuality
Me too
I don't have an investment, but take psych drugs (agomelatine, Xanax).
Really, when I come across one of those long disputes on Admin and then Lou comes along doing his thing, it's so strange and wonderful it cracks me up and makes my day, and that's not such a bad thing, and like I say, I don't actually agree with him about much, but our world would be a poorer place without him. That's how I see it.
Posted by Brainbeard on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:57
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)), posted by sigismund on August 7, 2010, at 14:53:57
It seems to me that {redacted by respondent} reproduces his own tormenting inner music in us by means of violent and repetitive non-communication.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to To suffer with the suffering, posted by Brainbeard on August 7, 2010, at 15:11:44
BB
Have you ever taken Ritalin and Dexedrine together?
There was a discussion about the different ways they work and how the combination might be synergistic.
Posted by Brainbeard on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: To suffer with the suffering » Brainbeard, posted by sigismund on August 7, 2010, at 15:31:14
> BB
>
> Have you ever taken Ritalin and Dexedrine together?
>
> There was a discussion about the different ways they work and how the combination might be synergistic.Thanks for the subject change. Seriously. (As an aside, I'm wondering who'll get blocked and why. If. Then. But.)
To answer your question: I have. I think they potentiate each other, and there may also be some metabolic interaction that I would have to google up. But I didn't like the mix very much. Dex and Rita are so completely different; I think they work best without the other, each drug doing its own thing.
Rita is crude, Dex is smooth: but there's much more to it. Currently, I find that Rita is like a wild horse that can be tamed and used for riding over thorns and thistles; while Dex is subtle like a dolphin that swims away from under your feet.
Posted by europerep on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » topcatclr, posted by Willful on August 7, 2010, at 13:14:00
> If you think Lou's posts are unhelpful, or even may upset some others, couldn't you at least address him respectfully-- here-- as part of the way we're trying to keep this a good place for dialogue and not being hurtful to others-- even others we privately don't like?
>
why doesn't he show some respect for the individuals he posts his messages too? in his "request" posts there is never ever a single phrase saying that he wants to help, or that he's sorry someone is feeling bad but thinks that there might be a different way to go about things, etc... all he does is hold his so-called "research" in front of you, and asking you to justify how, in light of these "facts", you can still be taking drugs? I don't consider that respectful.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:58
In reply to Re: Very good perspective that I wish more would apply, posted by europerep on August 8, 2010, at 9:31:19
Hmm. I guess if I wanted to, I could think of medication warning posts like the side effect/warning inserts the pharmacy has given me with meds-and ignore them/throw them away. Or the warnings on the bottle-I don't pay any attention to those. But I am glad they are there.
Once in a while, I read those pharmacy inserts, if I'm waiting in line or something. On one occasion, I was really surprised at what I found as my doctor never told me about the possibility.
But usually don't pay much attention to them overall. If I was anxious about taking the medication to begin with-I might be more inclined to read the warnings so it could possibly affect me more if that was the case.
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