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Posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 19:36:22
Although touted as a peer support site, Babble has shown itself to be an asylum for an unfortunately small percentage of mental health consumers who truly do seek asylum and protection from any stimulous that might be upsetting, or even potentially upsetting. Do not jostle these poor folks, lest they come completely unglued. Babble provides the interweb equivalent of Thorazine to numb them of all discomfort. This is not peer support; it's total and complete coddling.
I do not condemn this, but I do bristle at the assertion that this is a peer support site, unless one has a very narrow and exclusive definition of "peer". And "exclusive" is the operative word, as this site excludes a significally large number of people who could benefit from, and give benefit to a true peer support environment.
Basically, false advertising. Possibly delusion.
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 21:19:02
In reply to PB - The Internet Asylum, posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 19:36:22
This chick doesn't like Kool Aid:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38358777/ns/today-today_fashion_and_beauty/
Yeah, the message is what's important...
Yeah, keep it real...
Reasonably real...
:)
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 22:02:35
In reply to PB - The Internet Asylum, posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 19:36:22
In the video, Crystal says she'd understand editing out a blaring zit for a magazine photo...
...but carving her out from a size 10 to a size 2 takes away her autonomy..actually someone else took it away--the editor--who effectively carved out a piece of her 'self'...which changes the meaning of...and ultimately takes away her entire message....gone with her authenticity, her autonomy...so people can be left with deception..and continue drinking Kool Aid.
Sounds like she had a T like mine :)
This woman once had an eating disorder and sounds very passionate and sincere about what she's trying to say here...and turning her situation into a positive thing and then taking that good out of her past situation and passing it on to others...but having to stand up for herself-and stand her ground-to do so, as others-magazines/editors-would rather make Kool Aid to sustain the $ billion beauty business...where people spend $ billions striving for 'perfection', caught up in their own insecurities....
This new generation is the smartest yet. And I by no means am part of the new generation..but I do learn from it.
That crap might have worked in the 50s, but things are changing-for the better. :)
"Be the change you wish to see".
I never heard of her before, but Crystal is an inspiring woman. Be authentic-don't let people take away from your message...sometimes you have to be reasonably real..but be real....or what's the point of it all?
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 23:15:26
In reply to Re: PB - The Internet Asylum, posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 22:02:35
Be the change you wish to see - be your authentic self, stand by your beliefs, be true to your self...
or
Be the change you wish to see - be one of Pavlov's dogs...conform to society, give up your beliefs and individuality...and CBT can help you get there...
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"Becoming the Change you Wish to See"
Therapy Session with new CBT Therapist
Part I
=========================================CBT Therapist: I saw you on the Today Show..you seemed a bit upset-what's going on?
Crystal Renn: I'm really upset the editor went and changed me like that - what's wrong with me the way I am? Why do people have to change me to suit their needs?
CBT Therapist: Crystal, remember how we had this discussion before? You have to get along with your coworkers, your behavior is important here; for your self growth...for your own good..and you have control over this-you are not powerless....
Crystal: But that's just it-I have grown. I have grown to accept myself for who I am, and what my beliefs are. And if who I am is not good enough, then don't you think the magazine-the one who took the effort to change me-is the one with the problem here?
CBT Therapist: Crystal, that's distorted thinking-and you are playing the victim here. Put yourself in the editor's shoes-they have to play their part in the industrial-beauty-complex; otherwise, people will no longer spend billions trying to obtain perfection. Don't you think, Crystal, that it's possible that you might be thinking only of yourself here? What about all the jobs of those in the makeup industry? The weight loss industry? The plastic surgery industry? Don't you think you are being too hard on others by continually disrupting the status quo?
Crystal: But I do care about their jobs..but really Ralph Lauren makes over $10 million a year-there seems to be plenty of money to go around for jobs such as pay for the photographers...the secretaries..the make up artists..But I care more about women who may be struggling at 'not being good enough', you know, seeing size zero's all around....that's not healthy or normal. Size 10 is normal, but the beauty industry promotes unobtainable perfection through these tactics. I had an eating disorder as a result with my internal struggle for control, but I am free of it now. And want to help other women feel free too..isn't the principle what's important here? Isn't what's best for women-self esteem and emotional priorities-more important than Ralph Lauren's $10 million salary?
CBT Therapist: Crystal, perhaps you are not seeing the reality here. Your emotions are causing negative thoughts-which we will have to work on changing...you obviously have conflict with them in your relations with coworkers and critics in the industry..it's affecting your job and perhaps you need to change the way you are thinking about this so that you (cut off by patient)
Crystal: But T, I care about my self respect too. If I let others change me, how could I respect myself? And if I don't respect myself, who will ultimately respect me? And shouldn't other women accept themselves, rather than want to change to fit the standards the industrial-beauty-complex wants to promote? I mean I grew stronger overcoming my eating disorder-I fought the internal struggle and won. I put myself in the shoes of other women and want them to feel that freedom to. I mean, why is the magazine's behavior here ok, but mine is not? All I did was stand up for who I am-my beliefs-my self...
CBT Therapist: But Crystal, your emotions are taking control. I understand it can be disappointing, but if you don't change your thoughts to appease the status quo, it's going to cause continual problems.
Crystal: But that the problem in the first place...the status quo. Everyone on the beauty industry knows this...and how does one make positive changes in society if I the important issue here is my changing my way of thinking to appease others; where avoiding conflict, to fit in with others is more important that the principle-the message I am trying to convey to young women?
CBT Therapist: Crystal, you cannot let your emotions run astray like this. Confict has occurred once again...(patient interrupts)
Crystal: Yes, but T, I feel passionate about being a role model for young women. I wouldn't even do this job in the first place had I not felt that I could inspire other women to let go of their insecurities....which could inspire other models to do the same...and contribute to changes to the industry..even if bit by bit..which would lead, eventually, to societal changes...I mean, if I go along with it-rather than fight it--this will never change....My message to other women is that you don't have to compare yourself to others so much...or strive for unobtainable perfection..I care about this cause....I've been there before..I can truly empathize with these young women..I want to be a role model...I feel like you are not understanding me here...and why do you want to change me too? I am firm with my beliefs and decision. T, It took me years to get to this point..where I am comofortable and content in my own skin...why should I have to change because there are people who want to stop me???
...to be continued.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 23:35:43
In reply to be the change you wish to see..., posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 23:15:26
I don't get what's so wrong with that saying. If there's something you want to see done, then the best way to see it done is to do it yourself - if it is in your power to do it. Rather than curse the darkness, change the light bulb.
It seems more or less like my father's rather pithier statement about using the facilities or leaving them. Only far more polite with no rude alternative suggestion of course.
It even leaves it completely up to you what you wish to see done.
It seems the most innocuous of suggestions. Other than, possibly, triteness, I just don't get what's supposed to be so offensive. Does it have meanings other than the obvious?
Posted by violette on July 23, 2010, at 0:15:04
In reply to Re: be the change you wish to see..., posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 23:35:43
I personally like the slogan - but have assigned my own meaning to it...
I'd rather invent a new light bulb than criticizze the dark, as I don't like to find myself in the dark by suprise...ya never know when it's going to happen.
And instead of again finding myself in the dark-sometimes at the worst times, maybe if a better light bulb was created in the first place, then I would not have to be in the dark so often, and wouldn't have to change the damn bulb so much.
Not everyone wants to be, or maybe cut out to be, an inventor of a new bulb-but it seemed to me that Crystal Renn is creating a new bulb after having her own bad experience in the dark.
Posted by SLS on July 24, 2010, at 5:50:19
In reply to PB - The Internet Asylum, posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 19:36:22
> Although touted as a peer support site, Babble has shown itself to be an asylum for an unfortunately small percentage of mental health consumers who truly do seek asylum and protection from any stimulous that might be upsetting, or even potentially upsetting.
Afterall, that is why you are here.
> Do not jostle these poor folks, lest they come completely unglued. Babble provides the interweb equivalent of Thorazine to numb them of all discomfort. This is not peer support; it's total and complete coddling.
I hope you feel well coddled and enjoy the numbness you must surely seek. Why else would you be here?
> I do not condemn this, but I do bristle at the assertion that this is a peer support site, unless one has a very narrow and exclusive definition of "peer".
I don't understand the rest. The logic escapes me. Too much coddling I guess.
I don't think I have any delusions as to what this site provides me. Perhaps you should take inventory of what it provides you before you take it upon yourself to speak for everyone else.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2010, at 0:58:59
In reply to Re: PB - The Internet Asylum » ron1953, posted by SLS on July 24, 2010, at 5:50:19
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