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Posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:18:23
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » garnet71, posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:12:38
>I don't find it phony, narcissistic, artificial, dehumanizing, or based on phantasy and superficial desires--any more than real life is
I imagine not.
Meditation, hey?
Anything else interesting?
Posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:38:16
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Nadezda, posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:18:23
all depends on what you find interesting-- but then you can always start something!
if you ever visit-- let me know!
Nadezda
Posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:58:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on June 28, 2009, at 22:38:16
I'm too fragile and nervous to master the mobile phone.
Posted by Nadezda on June 29, 2009, at 10:44:52
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Nadezda, posted by Sigismund on June 28, 2009, at 22:58:00
I never figured out-- what's a mobile phone? how's it different from a cellphone? (are we off-topic?--but I'd like to know the difference...)
Nadezda
Posted by gardenergirl on June 29, 2009, at 12:48:32
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2009, at 12:53:52
> > I think that I will be less inclined to post knowing that my words are now even more likely to be broadcast in places I did not choose.
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> True, you wouldn't be choosing to be tweeted. OTOH, how is "following" @psycho_babel different from subscribing to an RSS feed like:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/posts.rdf
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> an option that's been here for years?
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> BobTo me, it's an additive thing. The more places out there where my words as gardenergirl are, the more I feel exposed. Babble is a community, and while i think growing the community is a good thing, I don't want our community to feel like a "reality show" for others' entertainment. Plus, Twitter, facebook, other social networking sites are places where I am my real-life identity. I am gardenergirl here. I keep those separate and choose who I trust my personally identifying information with as best as I can.
I would be for this only if folks are given the option to opt out of having their posts tweeted.
gg
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 14:21:24
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on June 29, 2009, at 12:48:32
Posted by Sigismund on June 29, 2009, at 16:31:26
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on June 29, 2009, at 10:44:52
>what's a mobile phone? how's it different from a cellphone?
Not at all different. Same thing, to the best of my knowledge.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
> People might not want certain posts on twitter-- if there were identifying information, etc.
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> NadezdaI wouldn't tweet any identifying information!
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> I'm not one to shy away from technology whatsoever, but I find some of the social applications to be objectifying, dehumanizing, and a precursor to an uncomfortable, potential merger of reality and fantasy. In other words, it makes me think that people are going to start creating their own identity out of fantasy, and desires of who they want to portray themselves as (based on superficial desires) rather than realizing an identity from past human relationships and personal interactions at both the micro and macro levels. Instead of becoming an individual through learning, growth, and human intereactions it's like creating a false persona that covers up the true person. It seems narcissistic.
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> Maybe some think it's better for people to create their own identiy based upon wishes and desires of who they want to become rather than cultivate the core self into a 'personality' as a whole or identity derived from learning and experiences?
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> garnet71That's an interesting issue. For one thing, a message board is a social application, too.
One tweet based on the above could be:
garnet71: people are going to use social applications to create their identity out of who they want to become http://tiny.dr-bob.org/frtj
You said a hybrid seemed creepy to you, how about that specific tweet?
Bob
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Like gg said, I absolutely don't want my posting name used ANYWHERE on the Web except at Babble. Period. I hate that you would decide to, and not me. I hope you won't.
At first I was sorta nonchalant, but now the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. It's not the actual possibility of someone I don't want knowing connecting my name with my actual self. It's much more the overall principle of the thing. The idea of you doing it *feels* like something is being done *to* me. I think I've had plenty of that IRL to last me. I guess you'd do it as a positive thing, seeing that we had something written in such a way it would be an intriguing tweet? I can see that, and I don't think you are uncaring or that there's any negative slant from your end. Also, I can imagine (as I wrote above in my rambling post) it could bring more people to Babble, which would be great.
Yet, it's still creepy and I'm now starting to see the possibility of feeling unsafe and a little violated. I am not claiming this is rational, or even reasonable. I wouldn't know how to measure that. I'm just saying it's how I'm beginning to feel. Maybe more on behalf on others, than just me, as I post very little these days.
I also wonder how posters will feel when you choose sentences out of certain posts. Will they feel slighted, i.e., "what - don't *I* say anything so clever/interesting/cool, whatever, that Dr. Bob wants to use it?" Will there be perceived favorites, if some posters' posts are often used as tweets? {shrug} Probably not. I haven't seen any of the multitudes popping out of the woodwork of Babble yet, worried about "equal Twitter time." Lol.
Dr, Bob, *are* you going to extract parts of posts and put them on Twitter over posters' objections?
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 29, 2009, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I think he already has used some messages? I don't like this whole idea and nothing Dr. Bob says about it will change my mind.
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I hope that Dr. Bob would respect those who request that their posts not be twittered. I think a list is starting below.
I still don't quite get it. I thought twitter was invented so that we could find out what a TV star had for lunch, or to keep up to date with the son or daughter who wouldn't dream of telling their parents what they're doing, but would happily share it with the cosmos.
I didn't think it was for twittering other people's thoughts?
That's the part I don't think I'd like, more than anything else. The excerpting. Even if Dr. Bob didn't excerpt to convey a completely different message than the sender intended (assuming he understood what the sender intended), words out of context just don't mean the same thing.
Scott's quote and Tabitha's quote are both great, but perhaps Scott and Tabitha don't feel that one line out of their posts really capture the essence? Maybe the next quoted person wouldn't.
Maybe it isn't just the excerpting that is a problem for me. It is the most obvious one to me. But things that have a context on this message board my not have the same context in another format, whether or not it is a single line excerpted.
I still am confused about twitter though. Is it used for this sort of promotional twittering often? Is twitter used to quote other people? Are we supposed to be getting that Dr. Bob is communicating to the world through his choice of quotes? My view of twitter is likely missing significant facts, so if anyone could explain these things, I'd really appreciate it.
Posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Dr. Bob--Please do not send my thoughts out on that website-ever again. I ditto everything 10derheart said. It makes me feel violated somehow.
In addition-I do not like the concept of Twitter. It's uncomfortable to me that people have the desire to 'follow' others. It's my own issue, but I stand by it.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:21:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
I cannot understand the point of taking garnet's thoughtful and intelligent post and reducing it to one fragment of one sentence, completely out of context, and broadcasting it on a medium apparently designed to enable people to ask "I'm at 34th and Vine. Where's the nearest Starbuck's?"
And Bob, I would have thought listening to what people have to say would be a useful skill in your profession.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:24:16
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
He didn't send yours out anywhere. I think he was just proposing one to you that he liked.
Only SLS and Tabitha have tweets from Babble.
http://twitter.com/psycho_babel
I hope it's okay with them. What if they haven;t even seen this/these thread (s)??
:-(
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
If you only twitter people who don't mind your doing it, or if you have everyone reregister with the information that they may be twittered without their knowledge or consent, I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
If a post of mine that was as thoughtful as the one you've used as an example of your intentions (i.e. garnet71's) were to be reduced to a cliched banality and posted on twitter, I would feel great shame. I would feel violated.
Bob, if you care at all about the emotional health of this community, before you tweet anybody else's words you MUST establish a "Non-Twit" list and you must scrupulously abide by the wishes of the individual members of the community in this regard. Anything less is unethical and abusive.
By the way, I don't care to be a Twit.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:55:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
I did just wish to reiterate, for clarity's sake, that Dr Bob did not post anything of Garnet's on Twitter as far as I can see.
Not yet, anyway.
Posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2009, at 23:47:15
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
anyone can see the list of followers to psycho_babel ** http://twitter.com/psycho_babel ** and click on those followers to be linked to their personal twitter sites. just food for thought.
again why this poster isn't myspaced, facebooked, twittered or any other self created acct in the social networking world. too easy to connect dots when one keeps putting more dots out there. socially networking is all about connecting dots and following the breadcrumb trails. the beauty of the web and also one of the huge downfalls.
being online and posting or tweeting are usually choices....having one's posts excerpted and tweeted isn't a choice....it could be construed as forced social networking.
doesn't seem very ethical. then again it is Robert Hsiung's site(s)/accts and apparently he can do w/ them as he wishes.
TOS of this site it would appear cover his heiny on this matter.
thus endeth babbling for this poster.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
> I guess you'd do it as a positive thing, seeing that we had something written in such a way it would be an intriguing tweet? ... Also, I can imagine ... it could bring more people to Babble, which would be great.
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> I also wonder how posters will feel when you choose sentences out of certain posts. Will they feel slighted, i.e., "what - don't *I* say anything so clever/interesting/cool, whatever, that Dr. Bob wants to use it?" Will there be perceived favorites, if some posters' posts are often used as tweets?
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> 10derHeart> If you only twitter people who don't mind your doing it, or if you have everyone reregister with the information that they may be twittered without their knowledge or consent, I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.
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> DinahI guess I'm thinking of them as pull quotes:
> A pull quote (also known as a lift-out quote or a call-out) is a quotation or edited excerpt from an article that is typically placed in a larger typeface on the same page, serving to lead readers into an article and to highlight a key topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull_quote
These tweets might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here.
Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/903760.html
I noticed that @Psycho_Babel is already being followed by some "tweeple". I welcome new followers, but I also want you to know what you might be getting yourself into:
http://www.dr-bob.org/twitter/followers.html
One way in which these tweets differ from the RSS feeds is that I choose what to tweet. So I do wonder if some of the reactions people are having might have to do with wanting (or not wanting) to be chosen (or others to be chosen).
Bob
Posted by floatingbridge on June 30, 2009, at 11:39:58
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:"
Thank you, Dr, Bob, I appreciate this consideration.
FB
Posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
Dr. Bob
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish," you stated this and this is very upsetting. I give you permission as far as BAbble is concerned which is the site I agreed to. At the time of signing, Twitter was a gleam in someone's eyes and not yet a reality. So therefore, you don't have permission to use posts for twittering as it was not in the site agreement and statements and guidelines.
Do you want to run us all off, those that don't want to be on twitter. As adults, we should maintain the right to have ourselves twitted or not. Period. It is a personal matter and you SHOULD respect our wishes or it is shameful violation of trust.
I agree with 10der, on this one. You must add me to DON"T TWITTER.You have reduced me to feeling like a child without any control. Something that is the reason I have trust issues and mental health issues. Shameful statement if you ask me, that we have already given you permission.
No way.
rsk
Posted by Dinah on July 1, 2009, at 22:25:08
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
But he also said this:
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, ****but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:****"
When you think about it, that means he's respecting us as posters enough to choose not to do something he could do. Acknowledging that he could do it was reminding us of our registrations. Saying that he *wouldn't* was respectful, IMO.
Posted by Deneb on July 1, 2009, at 22:40:38
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
Dr. Bob has been using our posts for a long time. He quotes us for his APA presentations.
I'm OK with it. It says we give him permission to do what he wishes with our posts when we register.
Tweet me Dr. Bob. LOL I want the whole world to read about me.
Posted by muffled on July 1, 2009, at 22:47:32
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
"One way in which these tweets differ from the RSS feeds is that I choose what to tweet. So I do wonder if some of the reactions people are having might have to do with wanting (or not wanting) to be chosen (or others to be chosen).
Bob "
You choose what to tweet....I thot you was allus so busy Bob. You get canned or what? Where you gonna find time to do all this editing and tweeting?
Ohyeah, and I just BET you LOVE the term "followers"....I think Bob, what you want from this site, and what posters here want from this site.....are entirely different.
Which is why I left.
Still miss babblers, which is why I pop in.
But I can't stay.
I never quite trusted your motivations Bob.
I am now knowing more why.I had to smile at your last line...classic Bob.
Take care,
M
Posted by Dinah on July 1, 2009, at 22:58:53
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on July 1, 2009, at 22:47:32
At best, I'm guessing that Twitter is a well thought out decision based on lots of professional input on how to best keep Babble a vibrant entity in an ever evolving internet.
At worst...
Am I correct in thinking you have a son around the age of my son? And of course I tend to be a big kid myself when something takes my fancy. At worst I imagine it's an enthusiasm with something new and intriguing.
I don't see anything mean spirited about it. I can see myself getting excited over something I perceive could be beneficial to something I care about.
But then I find that last line endearingly Bob-like. Or infuriatingly Bob-like, depending on the moment.
Sometimes it's nice to have a constant in an uncertain world. :)
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