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Posted by johnj on August 5, 2008, at 11:21:11
Since I emailed Administration I have not heard back so I guess I will post on the board. Will a deputy be getting back to me on my question that I posed? Thank you
johnj
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 5, 2008, at 16:55:26
In reply to Adminstration Response, posted by johnj on August 5, 2008, at 11:21:11
Yes, a deputy will be getting back to you.
Please understand that several things can affect response time. Although not all of them would apply to your post, I'm going to explain some of them here for those whom they would apply to. Some of these issues will apply to your post, as well.
First, for anyone who does not have BabbleMail activated, please be aware that we cannot contact you in response to your notification. Deputies do not have any access to email addresses, and therefore can only contact you through BabbleMail. If BabbleMail is not activated, we cannot contact you, and those questions have to wait for Dr Bob.
Sometimes, none of us are available at the time that the notification comes in. We try to keep one another informed about availability issues, and I think we're pretty good about it, but there are inevitably times when no one is near a computer, or there are IRL time constraints, and then there will be a delay in responding.
One of the more frequent reasons for a delay involves the complexity of the issue at hand. If a notification involves an issue with precedents for comparison, we generally act as soon as one of us sees it. If the issue is more complex, or we're not quite sure whether it violates the guidelines, we'll take the time to discuss it amongst ourselves before acting.
Additionally, there's a matter of perspective. Sometimes different people will get a very different interpretation from the same post, which complicates the matter. For example, while the person who reports a post may believe it is clearly uncivil, another reader might not see a problem. In those cases, our discussions may take more time, because we try very hard to make the best decision possible to balance needs of individuals against those of the Babble community as a whole, while acting as we think Dr. Bob would act. Sometimes, that is fairly difficult, as you can imagine :-)
I hope that this explanation is helpful.
-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by johnj on August 5, 2008, at 19:30:48
In reply to Re: Adminstration Response » johnj, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 5, 2008, at 16:55:26
Although mine is not a response to a post I find uncivil because I do believe some debate and disagrement may at times appear uncivil it is still healthy IMHO.
Mine has to do with an agreement I made with a poster that was violated. I did not want to babblemail them directly as that is against the rules. However, after receiving a response from the Admin I will babblemail them and appeal, once more, for them to respect my feelings. I do believe they will probably just ignore me and violate our agreement again and again as they most likely cannot help themselves.
I do appreciate the response though, thank you.
johnj
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 6, 2008, at 0:05:05
In reply to thank you » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by johnj on August 5, 2008, at 19:30:48
> Mine has to do with an agreement I made with a poster that was violated.
>I do believe they will probably just ignore me and violate our agreement again and again as they most likely cannot help themselves.Please don't post anything that could lead other posters to feel accused or put down or jump to conclusions about others. You have been asked to be civil and blocked in the past few weeks for a very similar violation of Babble civility guidelines, so I am going to block you from posting for 2 weeks.
Dr. Bob has complete oversight in this and can recalculate or rescind this block as he sees fit. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration and should of course themselves be civil.
> I do appreciate the response though, thank you.
You're welcome, and I'm sorry we couldn't continue to work on this request off the boards without intervening with this administrative action. Just to clarify for the future, the idea with the notification system, which you did start out using, is to resolve an issue privately so as not to potentially hurt the feelings of any poster or posters who could read a message and believe it is about them.
- 10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Zeba on August 7, 2008, at 0:08:02
In reply to Blocked for 2 weeks » johnj, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 6, 2008, at 0:05:05
Maybe ECT fried my brain more than I realize, but this sort of thing is something I just don't understand. I do not understand how come johnj was blocked. Like I said I am either dense or my brain has really been fried. Besides the answer that is the standard answer when someone is blocked, can you or someone please explain to me in plain english why the post was so bad? I would really appreciate it as I do not understand even when looking at the stuff about being civil. It all seems confusing to me.
Zeba
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 7, 2008, at 1:10:26
In reply to Re: Blocked for 2 weeks » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Zeba on August 7, 2008, at 0:08:02
>I do not understand how come johnj was blocked.
I'll do my best to give you my thought process. The basic idea of civility is not to accuse and not to put down other posters, or groups of posters, even if no names are mentioned. When I read this:
> Mine has to do with an agreement I made with a poster that was violated.
I figured johnj probably doesn't have hundreds of agreements with hundreds of posters here (not trying to sound sarcastic, just exaggerating to help make my point clearer) and in fact, it's more likely this might be just one agreement with one person. If that poster read this, they could feel accused of violating agreements, and that might be embarrassing. Another issue was, that by spelling out certain details here re: a notification to admin, it's defeated the purpose of the notification system by taking an issue from private to public. The guidelines ask posters to please not address these sorts of things on the boards.
And with this part:
>I do believe they will probably just ignore me and violate our agreement again and again as they most likely cannot help themselves.
I thought if I were reading this and thought it was about me, I'd read it as pretty negative and so I'd probably feel put down being described in this way. I also read 'not being able to help themselves' as jumping to a conclusion as I don't know of any evidence this statement is based on any facts. Jumping to conclusions is uncivil per the FAQs.
>Like I said I am either dense or my brain has really been fried.
I don't think you're dense, and I'm sorry for anything you may be going through post-ECT. It must be really frustrating and difficult sometimes :-(
>Besides the answer that is the standard answer when someone is blocked,
Hmm....I'm not sure what that means...? You don't have to say, of course, I was just confused.
>why the post was so bad?
It's not really abut posts being bad, or so bad. Just whether they are or aren't written contrary to Dr. Bob's civility guidelines, as best I understand them. Civil or uncivil, based on the best decision I (very often with input from the other deputies) can make at the time.
>I would really appreciate it as I do not understand even when looking at the stuff about being civil. It all seems confusing to me.
I'm sorry it's so confusing. I don't know if this would help anyone else, but I know when I was first here, and trying to grasp the idea of civility as Dr. Bob defines it, I thought a lot about "the golden rule" when I read a post that had received a warning or block. E.g., to paraphrase, if I wouldn't want it said about me, it probably shouldn't be said about someone else.
And, I thought (still do this, actually) in questions: Does that accuse someone of something? Would I feel put down if I were described like that? Did the poster being described (if that's known, which isn't the case here) *say* (for example) they can't help themselves, or has the writer assumed that?
Stuff like that. After a while, it got easier and clearer, but it does take practice. I hope that helped somewhat. I'm sure the other deputies, could be even clearer, too. Please feel free to ask more questions as it not only could help you, but others reading, and that's a good educational tool, I think :-)
- 10derHeart
Posted by Racer on August 7, 2008, at 9:27:39
In reply to reasons for blocking » Zeba, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 7, 2008, at 1:10:26
>I'm sure the other deputies, could be even clearer, too.
I'm not so sure of that. I thought you did a very good job of explaining your reasoning very clearly.
Thank you for your efforts, and thank you for your compassion.
Posted by 10derHeart on August 7, 2008, at 13:23:52
In reply to Re: reasons for blocking » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Racer on August 7, 2008, at 9:27:39
Posted by Zeba on August 7, 2008, at 22:56:05
In reply to reasons for blocking » Zeba, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 7, 2008, at 1:10:26
thank you 10derHeart. That helped a lot.
Zeba
Posted by 10derHeart on August 7, 2008, at 23:39:54
In reply to Re: reasons for blocking » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Zeba on August 7, 2008, at 22:56:05
This is the end of the thread.
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