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Posted by fayeroe on March 26, 2008, at 8:31:56
>************ The general idea (there might be exceptions) would be that if no one notified us about something, we'd consider it OK with everyone, and if something was OK with everyone, then it would be OK with us. If posters thought something was overlooked, they would be empowered to notify us. And it would be their responsibility to do so.
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> BobBut the "no one" and "everyone" and "posters" would include current and former deputies, right?
I'm not sure why you think it is good for the community to know that if you get PBC'd, it's because a fellow poster turned you in.
I have any number of other reservations about the idea.*****************************
I took an entire post, so I won't take one sentence out of it and confuse anyone.I keep seeing statements or questions such as the one below concerning "former deputies"...
>>>>But the "no one" and "everyone" and "posters" would include current and former deputies, right?<<<<<
I have been curious for a long time about "former deputies" and I want to know if there is a distinction between a "former deputy" and a "poster"?
I see "former deputies" mentioned fairly often here.
Is a former deputy allowed authority or privileges that "posters" aren't?
I thought that the position is such that a person served for a certain amount of time (pass the job around) and then they went back to being a poster, just like the rest of us.Is this "once in grace, always in grace"?
Posted by ClearSkies on March 26, 2008, at 11:55:59
In reply to Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by fayeroe on March 26, 2008, at 8:31:56
There's no grace that I'm aware of. I've been PBC'd and struggle with the civility rules too. I do think that at times I'm a bit hypervigilant of my own writing, to the point where I'm unable to post sometimes, because of the extensive training that I received to become a deputy. Good and bad - I do a lot of self-censoring now, and that keeps me quiet, at times perhaps when I should not be silent. But that's my Stuff, and probably not typical of other Former Deputies? I can only speak for myself - when I'm able to adequately find the words.
ClearSkies
Posted by Toph on March 26, 2008, at 15:02:06
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards..... » fayeroe, posted by ClearSkies on March 26, 2008, at 11:55:59
> ...I do think that at times I'm a bit hypervigilant of my own writing, to the point where I'm unable to post sometimes, because of the extensive training that I received to become a deputy...
> ClearSkiesWere you being facetious when you spoke of extensive training, cs? If not, why haven't we all been trained extensively about the workings of Babble or Babble ethics? What would deputies need to know that we all wouldn't need to know?
Posted by ClearSkies on March 26, 2008, at 15:39:21
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by Toph on March 26, 2008, at 15:02:06
> Were you being facetious when you spoke of extensive training, cs? If not, why haven't we all been trained extensively about the workings of Babble or Babble ethics? What would deputies need to know that we all wouldn't need to know?Not in least, Toph. I trained for over a year before I was released upon the boards as a deputy. It involved being presented with posts - out of context - which we then would have to determine whether they met civility guidelines. It was a rigorous procedure, and I find that I continue to scrutinize my own expressions here - quite often to the point where I simply don't post when I don't feel that I'm able to do so civilly.
Posted by Toph on March 26, 2008, at 15:59:28
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards..... » Toph, posted by ClearSkies on March 26, 2008, at 15:39:21
Thanks for sharinjg this information pc. So, if the new order comes into fruition and we are all to be deputized by Bob (I claim Bat Masterson for my new handle, btw), shouldn't we all get trained in a like fashion?
Posted by Dinah on March 26, 2008, at 18:33:15
In reply to Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by fayeroe on March 26, 2008, at 8:31:56
I have used the term lately, because Dr. Bob's proposal stated that former deputies (meaning me) would not be treated the same as a regular poster. My notifications would be ignored even if I quit being a deputy.
To my knowledge, I never used the term until it became (by Dr. Bob's choice) an issue.
Posted by Dinah on March 26, 2008, at 18:54:55
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by Dinah on March 26, 2008, at 18:33:15
I should add that that *was* Dr. Bob's proposed stance. It is my understanding that this is no longer the case, or I would not have agreed to stay on.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 29, 2008, at 14:53:03
In reply to Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by fayeroe on March 26, 2008, at 8:31:56
>and then they went back to being a poster, just like the rest of us.
Sheeyah. I wish. I don't think you can go back. There seems still to be that damned label, impression, assumption, aura, ghost, cloak, residue, scar, lens, bias, expectation, ties, or whatever stuck to me like toilet paper on my shoe. (Note, I'm not saying that the role of the deputy or anyone currently or formerly a deputy is at all like toilet paper, good or bad, stuck or free.)
Just railin' against the perceived constraints... Best to just take off my shoes, I think.
gg
Posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 15:20:24
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by gardenergirl on July 29, 2008, at 14:53:03
> >and then they went back to being a poster, just like the rest of us.
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> Sheeyah. I wish. I don't think you can go back. There seems still to be that damned label, impression, assumption, aura, ghost, cloak, residue, scar, lens, bias, expectation, ties, or whatever stuck to me like toilet paper on my shoe. (Note, I'm not saying that the role of the deputy or anyone currently or formerly a deputy is at all like toilet paper, good or bad, stuck or free.)
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> Just railin' against the perceived constraints... Best to just take off my shoes, I think.
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> gg
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>I think that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...it probably a duck.
I wrote that post on MARCH 26, 2008 and now going on five months, I hold to it.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 29, 2008, at 22:23:39
In reply to Re: Former deputies involvement on boards....., posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 15:20:24
To clarify, your old post served simply as a springboard for expressing some thoughts I've had for awhile. I could have replied to a post of Dinah's further down the board, as it would have also been on topic. But while searching for something in the archives, I noticed your old post and found it relevant to my concerns. Thanks for that part your post played, but otherwise, my post was not to you or about you.
gg
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