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Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 1:08:45
> > ... Plus sometimes deputies can "egg one on", knowing what they are saying is frusterating the poster, to get them to "be uncivil", and then get blocked.
>
> Interesting theory. And yet no matter how frustrated someone might feel, that individual is still responsible for their own actions. I don't believe that one can legitimately deflect the responsibility for their own choice of actions onto another.Well sure, posters are responsible for their own actions, I never said they weren't, but it doesn't mean that this behavior doesn't happen. Plus remember a deputy is in a position of power, so the playing field is not equal. That power influences the reg. babbler and the deputy themselves, and effects how conversations flow on the boards. It works both ways and not always positive.
A real world example of this would be on how many individuals were forced (by the powers above them) to admit to a crime they didn't commit. Would you say that the power of one over another didn't have influence to force the innocent to plead guilty for a crime they didn't commit. Power always has the upperhand in life, and I am sure it isn't different on Babble either.
So can a babbler be "egged on", yes, but even though the babbler is responsible for their own actions, doesn't mean the effect of power of a deputy doesn't come into play here. That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions. This is why I believe we need deputies that are not personal posters at the same time. I am not putting deputies down, I am just trying to show how the position of power or privilege effects other babblers on the board, from a perspective of another babbler.
I truely believe that when a deputy takes off their badge of duty on the boards, that badge whether worn or not, still has effects on other babblers perceptions and actions with them. It is still babblers responsiblity to act withing the guidelines, but remember we are not on the same level playing field.
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
"So can a babbler be "egged on", yes, but even though the babbler is responsible for their own actions, doesn't mean the effect of power of a deputy doesn't come into play here. That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions. This is why I believe we need deputies that are not personal posters at the same time. I am not putting deputies down, I am just trying to show how the position of power or privilege effects other babblers on the board, from a perspective of another babbler."
HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class memebers with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
i'd ignore the carrot today, if i were you......xoxoxo
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 12:11:47
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
LOL, thanks for the carrot warning! I am able to resit the carrot, I don't even plant them in my garden, I prefer tomatoes at least my bunny rabbits leave them alone. :-) LOL
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:09:34
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:08:51
I see that you're asking me these questions, or at least it appears so based on your reply. I've answered them to the best of my knowledge. However, you might wish to ask them of Dr. Bob or one of the active deputies for an "official response" if you feel you need one.
> Besides, like I have been told by you several times, isn't there a notification button to notify about posts that you have a problem with?
Um, still yes.
> Don't the rules apply to everyone?
Um, still yes.
> Or are some able to post about it on the boards while others aren't allowed?
Not that I'm aware. You might find more about this at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070605/msgs/764332.html
> Just wanting to verify, because this pertains to the topic of this thread after all.
okay
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:14:26
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
> That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions.
I heartily agree. "Duel relationships" between patients and clients, and also between professionals and their clients are a really really bad idea. Bad for business, too.
> I truly believe that when a deputy takes off their badge of duty on the boards, that badge whether worn or not, still has effects on other babblers perceptions and actions with them.
That is helpful information, thank you.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:19:35
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
> HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class members with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
F,
You're not comparing the student "guards" in the Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo with members of the admin team here, are you?gg
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:02:29
In reply to Stanford Prison Experiment? » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:19:35
> > HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class members with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
>
> F,
> You're not comparing the student "guards" in the Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo with members of the admin team here, are you?
>
> ggdo you perceive it that way?
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 14:06:41
In reply to Re: Stanford Prison Experiment?, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:02:29
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:20:57
In reply to What would it mean if I do? (nm) » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 14:06:41
Posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
In reply to Re:what does it mean to you? (nm), posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:20:57
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 14:51:45
In reply to Aaaaarghhh. WALK AWAY. (nm), posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 15:41:54
In reply to Aaaaarghhh. WALK AWAY. (nm), posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 21:51:35
In reply to LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nm), posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 14:51:45
Posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
Do you have any idea of how it feels to be a member of a group of four or five people who are being compared to that experiment?
Do you have any idea what it feels like to wake up every morning and read Admin?
I may be an arrogant prig, but I had the insane idea that I was doing good here. I even used to tell my therapist that I felt like this was my calling to do good in this world.
What an idiot I was.
I haven't told him that in a very long time. I've told him that I seem to be spending an awful lot of my time causing an awful lot of harm, and that it's one more area in my life where everything I do is wrong. There are so d*mn many of those.
Posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:37:15
In reply to Re: perception of privilege, posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 15:23:21
I recognize those things as things I've said to you at one time or another.
I am not a liar. If I said them it's because I meant them.
And I don't know who you might think my friends are, but if you take a poll of the people I feel closest to, I think many of them will tell you they've been PBC'd by me at some point.
And perhaps most importantly, it's hard to give a PBC to a friend, but it's even harder to give one to someone you might have other feelings about. I personally pass on posts where I think it's at all possible that I might have a conflict of interest. The other deputies, I'm sure, will attest to that as will Dr. Bob.
For whatever this is worth, which likely is abolutely nothing whatsoever.
Posted by muffled on June 25, 2007, at 9:33:04
In reply to Ouch., posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
You've pbc'd me etc and I still think your great.
I like dinah the poster too.
You've supported me LOTS.
Please try and not be bothered by stuff.
This will pass.
Its just a resettling.
Gonna be OK.
I think you doing a REALLY good job, really I do.
Muffled
Posted by muffled on June 25, 2007, at 9:35:23
In reply to Ouch., posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
We just people.
Thats all.
Warts and all, we just people.
We don't wanto hurt.
We want to be loved.
Cared about.
((((((((((((Babblers)))))))))))
M
Posted by henrietta on June 25, 2007, at 19:28:18
In reply to Not taking the carrot, yup! stayin' cool! (nm), posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 21:51:35
Good for you!!! Too bad the carroteer couldn't resist. What a sign of health and wisdom that would be.
h
Posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2007, at 20:02:36
In reply to Re: Not taking the carrot, yup! stayin' cool!, posted by henrietta on June 25, 2007, at 19:28:18
Posted by Happyflower on June 25, 2007, at 20:26:44
In reply to Re: Not taking the carrot, yup! stayin' cool!, posted by henrietta on June 25, 2007, at 19:28:18
thanks henrietta,
I am learning constraint, I have learned the babble way. LOL I am giving myself a pat on the back! ;-)
Posted by fayeroe on June 26, 2007, at 4:31:50
In reply to Ouch., posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
Posted by gardenergirl on June 26, 2007, at 10:09:52
In reply to Re: Ouch.....another glass of koolaid, anyone? (nm), posted by fayeroe on June 26, 2007, at 4:31:50
Given that the result of drinking the poisoned Kool Aid was that the victims of the Guyana tragedy were DEAD, I hardly think that having another glass would be doable. And I'm frankly shaken and profoundly OUTRAGED at the offer for ANYONE to do what the Guyana victims were coerced to do.
gg
Posted by Happyflower on June 26, 2007, at 10:23:05
In reply to Forget the carrot. I'd mind the stick. (nm) » henrietta, posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2007, at 20:02:36
koolaid, a stick, violence is violence...
tomato...tamato
Posted by Happyflower on June 26, 2007, at 10:42:26
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
Are you sure you don't mean the milgram experiment... or maybe not...
Posted by gardenergirl on June 26, 2007, at 10:49:34
In reply to Re: Not taking the carrot, yup! stayin' cool!, posted by henrietta on June 25, 2007, at 19:28:18
> Good for you!!! Too bad the carroteer couldn't resist. What a sign of health and wisdom that would be.
> hWhat exactly are you trying to say, Hen? One could reasonably assume that you're referring to some participant on this thread as the "carroteer". I guess I'm not quite getting your metaphor, so could you just speak plainly, please? Is someone supposed to be doing something to Happyflower or someone else in an attempt to cause her to behave in some predetermined way? I suppose if that's what you're saying, then I have to have a private, hearty chuckle. If not, it'll be a public "humminah?" Though either way, given my understanding of the carrot and stick metaphor, I suspect it's possible that if labeled as a "carroteer", despite my hearty laughter, I could feel accused of perhaps being manipulative or something similar.
Gosh, Henny Penny, whatever could you be trying to convey?
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