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Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 17:08:52
In reply to Can anyone answer officially on this???, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 14:33:49
or should I do a "report a post" to get someone with authority to answer this? I thought the rules should be cut and dry and this should be easy to answer by ANY of those in charge. Makes me wonder what is taking so long.
Posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 17:55:24
In reply to I find it interesting that this is taking so long, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 17:08:52
So you expect an answer in a day ? You posted your question ***7*** hours ago.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:14:14
In reply to Re: I find it interesting that this is taking so l, posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 17:55:24
Yup I expect an answer, it is a question about one of the basic rules, it shouldn't be hard, besides isn't this board monitiored more than the others since it is an administration board?
I know some deputies have been on this board since I posted, because they posted on it, so why no answer yet?
I know what one deputy told me less than 6 months ago, I just want to see if that is the rule or have they changed them once again back to the old rules. Simple question really.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:34:17
In reply to Re: I find it interesting that this is taking so l » notfred, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:14:14
Or is this what one deputy said the other day, that they don't HAVE to respond to a post, they can choose not to, or to a babblemail concerning this topic, etc.
So then are my posts and babblemail being ignored when I need a clarification of a DNP that was offically enforced upon me publically?
I have followed the procedures. That was done way before I posted this question on the boards as a general question to all the deputies. So it has been much longer than you realize.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:43:22
In reply to Re: I find it interesting that this is taking so l, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:34:17
Lack of timely response can cause the poster with a question , like me, to feel ignored and unheard when there is no response, after following the proper procedures. So what can I do? I don't know what to do. I don't know what the procedures are to get an answer to a question that I have asked
after using
several attempts to get them
answered, through Dr. Bob and deputies. Tell me what is the procedure to have my basic question answered?
Posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 18:56:52
In reply to Lack of timely response, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:43:22
Expecting a response in a day is unreasonable.
There are volunteers !
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 19:56:50
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response, posted by notfred on April 22, 2007, at 18:56:52
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:36:25
In reply to Lack of timely response, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 18:43:22
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070304/msgs/752428.html
GG and I both answered your question on this thread. I don't see that we're ignoring your questions.
With two deputies now on leave, and Dr. Bob away, I think it can be assumed that response will be slower than it was. I hope no one takes that personally.
To my knowledge no changes have been made since the new rules went into effect, and the information given to you by the deputy is correct.
I believe it's the specific reasons for the PDNP request that are supposed to be communicated to Dr. Bob or the deputies, I guess, off board. Also violations of the PDNP should be communicated through the notify the administrators function. If I'm incorrect in this, I'm sure someone will correct me.
I feel a bit pressured re the response time. Please don't pressure deputies or post negative conclusions you may have come to as to the reasons answers aren't immediately forthcoming, even if a deputy has visited the board. There can be many. A deputy might be consulting with other deputies or Dr. Bob, a deputy might have time to answer some posts but not all, a deputy might be thinking of how to word a reply, a deputy might feel another deputy or even a knowledgeable poster might be better able to answer a question, a deputy may not always read every post on a board they visit at any given visit or even at all. Nor does a deputy have a requirement to read every post or answer every question. Dr. Bob has said that a civil reminder can be given if no response is received within a couple of days.
Or a deputy might be doing the work they are paid for, or spending time with their families, or spending free time on or off the board.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 20:44:29
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:36:25
That was my question about the PBC, this thread is about DNP.
What I was told several months ago is not what is in the rules right now, and it not how things are being handled right now, so that is why there is confusion.
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:52:55
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 20:44:29
So far as I can tell, the FAQ have been updated to reflect the current rules.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:14:03
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:36:25
> To my knowledge no changes have been made since the new rules went into effect, and the information given to you by the deputy is correct.Which was you by the way
> I believe it's the specific reasons for the PDNP request that are supposed to be communicated to Dr. Bob or the deputies, I guess, off board.This is NOT what the official rules say at all, nothing about privately. I think I have made my point. How a deputy be one if you don't know the rules and you make your own version of them? Then they get upset when the poster complain about it. This is a perfect example.
> I feel a bit pressured re the response time. Please don't pressure deputies or post negative conclusions you may have come to as to the reasons answers aren't immediately forthcoming, even if a deputy has visited the board. There can be many. A deputy might be consulting with other deputies or Dr. Bob, a deputy might have time to answer some posts but not all, a deputy might be thinking of how to word a reply, a deputy might feel another deputy or even a knowledgeable poster might be better able to answer a question, a deputy may not always read every post on a board they visit at any given visit or even at all. Nor does a deputy have a requirement to read every post or answer every question. Dr. Bob has said that a civil reminder can be given if no response is received within a couple of days.
>
> Or a deputy might be doing the work they are paid for, or spending time with their families, or spending free time on or off the board.
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:15:49
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:14:03
I can't imagine why I'd tell you anything other than what I just told you, and what is in the FAQ. If I did, then I'm sorry. As far as I know this has been the rule since Dr Bob changed it.
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:19:51
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:14:03
To my eyes, the FAQ says exactly what I did.
"#
Ask them not to post to you anymore by replying to that post with the "add name of previous poster" box checked. Please be civil when you do so; "please don't post to me" is enough.
#Contact me and the deputy administrators to let us know why that post makes you feel harassed and, since this should be a last resort, what steps you've already taken to address the situation. We'll post a reply if we're going to enforce your request. We may also decide their post isn't civil, but that's a separate issue.
#If we decide to enforce your request, save its URL and if they post to you after that, contact us again with the URLs of your request and their new post to you."
It says to contact "us" (Admin) with the reasons, what you've done to resolve it, and with any violations. I'm sorry if I worded my response in such a way that didn't sound like what I meant to say.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:22:24
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:15:49
Then it should be in the f*cking official rules then. I am sick of the "implied rules", which are all different according to what deputy you are talking to.
Are posted recepit of DNP suppose to be made publicaly? Is this something new, not in the rules either?
Yet we can't say anything publically to defend ourselves on DNP made publically because we can't even mention it or we get blocked.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:29:32
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:19:51
You said it that DNP needed to be done off the boards, that is what you said in the above post, and that is what you told me months ago. You also told me that my orginal DNP I issued (which I want reinstate) to Deneb)was no longer valid becaue of the new rules. You told me Dr/ Bob would have to deem it nessary to have a DNP honored. Plus I got blocked for even mentioning online that I wanted a DNP enforced, made with clips and everything. At that time we could make those requests on the boards. But I got blocked anyways.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:37:42
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:29:32
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:36:25
This is what you said to me many times:I believe it's the specific reasons for the PDNP request that are supposed to be communicated to Dr. Bob or the deputies, I guess, off board
This is what the official rules say:
rather lines of communication stayed open, but if that's not possible, you can, as a last resort, ask another poster not to post to you anymore. If you think you need to do that, follow these steps:
Identify a post by them to you that makes you feel harassed.
Ask them not to post to you anymore by replying to that post with the "add name of previous poster" box checked. Please be civil when you do so; "please don't post to me" is enough.
Contact me and the deputy administrators to let us know why that post makes you feel harassed and, since this should be a last resort, what steps you've already taken to address the situation. We'll post a reply if we're going to enforce your request. We may also decide their post isn't civil, but that's a separate issue.
If we decide to enforce your request, save its URL and if they post to you after that, contact us again with the URLs of your request and their new post to you.
If you post to them, it's OK for them to post to you in response. Your request stays in effect unless you change your mind, which you may do at any time (and are encouraged to do at some time to reopen lines of communication).
Posting to someone means directing either the subject line or the body of a post to them. Replying to a post by someone isn't necessarily posting to them.
Posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:47:58
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:29:32
No, I said that the *reasons* for the PDNP should be done off boards, which is what's in the rules and what I likely said months ago. I said that violations should be reported off the boards, which is what is in the rules and what I likely said months ago.
I am sorry again if I am phrasing myself poorly, but I've done the best I can. I don't see how my continuing this discussion can be helpful to you. If you wish further clarification, perhaps Mel, Racer, Dr. Bob, or a helpful poster can be more helpful to you than I apparently have been.
Since my answers do not appear to be helpful to you, perhaps it would be best for me to defer to Mel, Racer, Dr. Bob, or a knowledgeable poster.
Posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 22:24:09
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 21:47:58
You're not phrasing poorly. And Happyflower posted exactly the same info from the FAQ as you did. I admire your stamina with this, Dinah.
Namaste
gg
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:54
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 22, 2007, at 20:36:25
Why was I told I had to get Dr. Bob approval under the new rules,that my DNP that I made under the old rules were not valid any longer since the rules have changed, that we can't simply just request a DNP, it had to have valid reasons approved by Dr. Bob. and these requests were to be made privately, not just the reasons for, but the requests themselves, this is what I was told by a deputy. I swear on the bible and whatever you hold dear to you that this is the truth.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:43:03
In reply to Why was my DNP not honored then?, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:35:54
I know in my heart what was said, and I am very disapointed in this place.
I will just leave, for real, I have had enough.
If you want a joke about abuse, and allow others to threaten you with sucide if you don't talk to them, without any protection, then this is the place to be.Jokes about animal cruelity is NEVER okay anywhere. I give up
Posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 22:44:26
In reply to Re: Lack of timely response » Dinah, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 21:22:24
> Yet we can't say anything publicly to defend ourselves on DNP made publicly because we can't even mention it or we get blocked.
I know this topic has come up before, so at the risk of being redundant...There's no need with a PDP to have to defend anything. A PDP does not mean that the other person did anything wrong or is a bad person. A poster requests a PDP as a coping strategy for themselves. Why would anyone have to defend against what another person does for their own wellbeing?
Namaste
gg
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:51:55
In reply to on 2nd thought just forget it, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:43:03
I would rather be burned with lightbulbs,whipped until my flesh is broken, attemted to be drowned, and tortured daily like my past life than spend anymore time here.
Yeah, lets joke about putting forks in the eyeballs of cats, soooo funny!
Yeah lets all get together and tell rape jokes because it is soooo funny. Lets all tell how to abuse a child, it is sooooooo funny. Lets tell jokes about being tortured or gunned down, it is sooooooo funny, isnt' it?Is a joke really just a harmless form of entertainment here. Oh yeah, just kidding, all of this is a joke and I did put a trigger warning on it so it should be allowed.
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:53:29
In reply to 'Defending' PDP's, posted by gardenergirl on April 22, 2007, at 22:44:26
Oh, upset by my above post, then if you are sensitive to triggers , you shouldn't have read it. See how well that works?
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:57:26
In reply to Re: 'Defending' PDP's, posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:53:29
Posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 23:29:25
In reply to Good bye, please do not ever post to me ever (nm), posted by Happyflower on April 22, 2007, at 22:57:26
Oh, yeah, if I kill myself over this, you can all be happy-babblers, but don't worry I won't blame you even if that would be allowed on this site.
So tell me NOW, you don't want me to die!Oh, WHATEVER!
I don't give a F*CK
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