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Posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 18:24:10
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20060601/msgs/657592.html
thanks- potential incivility in last paragraph
Posted by Jakeman on June 23, 2006, at 19:57:38
In reply to Dr. Bob, deputies check this post?, posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 18:24:10
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20060601/msgs/657592.html
> thanks- potential incivility in last paragraphI'm American, fat, and not offended.
warm regards, Jake
Posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 20:04:46
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, deputies check this post? » llrrrpp, posted by Jakeman on June 23, 2006, at 19:57:38
Fair enough :)
I just think that the common fat[*]ss American deserves as much support on babble as the rest of us uncommon people of unspecified girth.
(grin)
-ll
Posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 20:47:16
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, deputies check this post? » Jakeman, posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 20:04:46
I'm never offended by opinions as such, and wonder if many people are. OTOH people can be seriously hurt in some of those long tangled threads. Perhaps it's when one does not give another the benefit of the doubt, or (I dunno) uses a certain tone, or something else?
Real hurt happens here, but not from opinion.
Does that make any sense?
Declan
Posted by Jakeman on June 23, 2006, at 21:33:22
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, deputies check this post?, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 20:47:16
Declan it makes sense to me. I think the real hurt occurs between individuals. I've made this case ad nauseum. I don't see any changes happening though. I dare to even make comments about the World Cup.
warm regards, Jake
>
> Real hurt happens here, but not from opinion.
> Does that make any sense?
> Declan
Posted by Jakeman on June 24, 2006, at 1:32:59
In reply to Dr. Bob, deputies check this post?, posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 18:24:10
From Seinfeld: if you're not attracted to short people you may be a heightist. If you don't like bald people you are a baldist. George had to deal with both of these discriminations.
jake
Posted by llrrrpp on June 24, 2006, at 17:49:51
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, deputies check this post? » Jakeman, posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 20:04:46
Posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 18:15:39
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, deputies check this post? » Declan, posted by Jakeman on June 23, 2006, at 21:33:22
It is easier to make rules against offensiveness than about hurtfulness.
If someone said out of the blue that I should give up and kill myself, it would be offensive, but since I was not implicated and the rudeness was obvious, I would not be upset.
Sometimes, people here get much more hurt than that in their exchanges with each other.
Not suggesting anything can be done about it; I don't know.
Declan
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2006, at 19:01:22
In reply to Dr. Bob, deputies check this post?, posted by llrrrpp on June 23, 2006, at 18:24:10
Thanks for the courteous and concise way you brought that up.
gg
Posted by teejay on June 25, 2006, at 0:42:43
In reply to Please be civil » yellowhat, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2006, at 16:02:58
Hi GG,
I'm not convinced you handled that too well.
Yellowhat was clearly not referring to others with the remark, but clearly him/herself.
I'm english, over 40 and with diminishing hair, so If I refer to myself as an aging bald limey, clearly I'm causing nobody offence am I?
Not gonna make an issue over ot as YH edited the post but I do think you was just a bit quick on the button there :-)))
Posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2006, at 0:42:45
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by teejay on June 24, 2006, at 20:48:25
Hi teejay,
> Yellowhat was clearly not referring to others with the remark, but clearly him/herself.According to the FAQ, ( http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil ) we are not to use "language that could offend others." This applies regardless of the context. The words that are automatically asterisked are based on Merriam-Webster OnLine.
In this case, forming a compoung word with an adjective and a word that is coded in this system as usually considered vulgar bypassed the system.
> Not gonna make an issue over ot as YH edited the post but I do think you was just a bit quick on the button there :-)))Actually, I edited the post to add the asterisk eight days after the original post. Although I suppose that could be considered quick when you compare it to how long it's taking me to write, let alone edit manuscripts. :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this.
Regards,
gg
Posted by teejay on June 25, 2006, at 6:59:51
In reply to language that could offend others » teejay, posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2006, at 0:41:25
Fair enough gg, and thanks for the reply.
Posted by Racer on June 25, 2006, at 21:25:48
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by teejay on June 24, 2006, at 20:48:25
> Hi GG,
>
> I'm not convinced you handled that too well.I thought GG was extremely restrained in her comment, and that the post could possibly have received a stronger objection.
>
> Yellowhat was clearly not referring to others with the remark, but clearly him/herself.It may have been obvious to you, but nothing of the sort was obvious to me. In fact, I was quite offended by it, because I did read it to mean that I, a pretty much average American, wouldn't be able to benefit from homeopathy because I was lazy, and preferred to sit around on my fat @$$.
Posted by Racer on June 25, 2006, at 21:25:49
In reply to Re: Please be civil » teejay, posted by Racer on June 25, 2006, at 1:50:36
> >
> >
> > Yellowhat was clearly not referring to others with the remark, but clearly him/herself.
>
> It may have been obvious to you, but nothing of the sort was obvious to me. In fact, I was quite offended by it, because I did read it to mean that I, a pretty much average American, wouldn't be able to benefit from homeopathy because I was lazy, and preferred to sit around on my fat @$$.
>I didn't realize it before I submitted this post, but that really isn't an appropriate I statement. Let me try that again.
I felt offended when I read the original post.
Posted by curtm on July 1, 2006, at 6:22:52
In reply to homeopathy!, posted by yellowhat on June 16, 2006, at 11:33:36
>> It helps if you're naturally a motivated and goal-oriented person and not a common lazy American fat[*]ss, because it's about healing, which takes patience and self-love, and not about going to sleep and waking up numb inside and repressing everything. *
What are your motivations and goals that make you superior?
What is your ethnicity that makes you superior?
What is our height/weight/cardio rating that makes you superior?
What is your healing recommendation that is superior to the rest?
Looked in the mirror lately?
Posted by cloudydaze on July 1, 2006, at 6:22:53
In reply to Re: homeopathy! » yellowhat, posted by curtm on June 26, 2006, at 23:34:15
> >> It helps if you're naturally a motivated and goal-oriented person and not a common lazy American fat[*]ss, because it's about healing, which takes patience and self-love, and not about going to sleep and waking up numb inside and repressing everything. *
>
> What are your motivations and goals that make you superior?
>
> What is your ethnicity that makes you superior?
>
> What is our height/weight/cardio rating that makes you superior?
>
> What is your healing recommendation that is superior to the rest?
>
> Looked in the mirror lately?
Not that it's any of my business, but I'm not convinced this person was trying to be mean, superior, or vulgar.In fact, I can kind of relate to what he (or she?) is saying.
On the subject of recovery, it does help to be motivated & goal -oriented...the problem is, if you are depressed (or have another mental illness) it is often hard to be motivated to do anything!
Yes, it does take patience and self-love. Loving yourself is key, in fact, but for some people it's just not enough. Some people do need medication. That being said, no medication (homeopathic or not) works for EVERYONE.
People find their own road to recovery - no one person's path is the best or the right one.
Posted by curtm on July 1, 2006, at 6:22:53
In reply to Re: homeopathy!, posted by cloudydaze on June 27, 2006, at 19:28:28
I am not trying to be mean either. I could also say that I don't assume the original poster thinks she (or he- please help) is superior, and I am asking what makes the person feel superior. If the person doesn't feel superior, then the answer to the question would be "nothing." I sincerely hope that everyone DOES have some sort of ego within them. Blablabla
I just don't understand the full intent of the original poster's statement.
Let's break it down shall we?
common
lazy
American
fat[*]ssThe only word I dislike is "common." You still feel the same way?
I am guilty of being provocative, but I do not intend to be "mean."
Love all
Posted by cloudydaze on July 1, 2006, at 6:22:54
In reply to Re: homeopathy! » cloudydaze, posted by curtm on June 27, 2006, at 22:01:48
> I am not trying to be mean either. I could also say that I don't assume the original poster thinks she (or he- please help) is superior, and I am asking what makes the person feel superior. If the person doesn't feel superior, then the answer to the question would be "nothing." I sincerely hope that everyone DOES have some sort of ego within them. Blablabla
>
> I just don't understand the full intent of the original poster's statement.
>
> Let's break it down shall we?
>
> common
> lazy
> American
> fat[*]ss
>
> The only word I dislike is "common." You still feel the same way?
>
> I am guilty of being provocative, but I do not intend to be "mean."
>
> Love allI wasn't trying to say you were being mean either, but it seems like some people took offense to something that may have been potentially harmless. Just offering another point of view, that's all. :)
I'm with you, though - I don't fully understand the intent either. Was the original poster calling himself (or his previous self - before homeopathy) a common lazy American fat(*)ss? Hmmm. Whatever he/she meant by it, I have no reason or intention of taking offense.
It seems to me that he was pointing to the idea that America is an "overweight country". Yeah, it a generalization, but *apparently* it's true...at least according to the news...
I think maybe he meant that he's breaking out of that stereotype?
I could be totally wrong, but I think this person is just really enthusiastic about finding something that works!
Again, just my opinions. Sometimes I have trouble keeping them to myself :)
Posted by holymama on July 1, 2006, at 6:23:36
In reply to Re: homeopathy!, posted by cloudydaze on June 28, 2006, at 12:50:52
This thread reminds me why I don't often post on psychobabble anymore.
The original intent of the post was lost, and the original poster may have been intimidated off his/her own post.
It has happened to me as well.
I have seen it happen with more pressing concerns, where the original post was asking for support and help.
The rules and guidelines about being polite on this site have become so tight, that it seems posters spend more time posting about how to say something in a way that fits in the guidelines, in a way that doesn't offend anyone in the slightest...than they do respinding to one anothers' ideas. I think that sometimes the original posters may either get fed up and so give up on their post, or may feel intimidated that everyone is picking apart their words. A lot of posts are 'hijacked' in this way. It is frustrating.
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