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Posted by NikkiT2 on January 19, 2006, at 11:16:15
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 10:05:41
Deneb,
firstly, remember not *everything* is about you.
Secondly, there are ways of posting without making light of the problem. On Tuesday evening I posted here, desperately, desperately wanting to self harm, but there are ways to post about it, without "making light of it".
Don't joke about, and don't use it as a threat. You can say "I am in so much pain right now and I have a terrible urge to cut or OD". That is not making light of it. But you shouldn't say "Oh, I can't face taking tomorrows test so I'm going to OD to get out of it".
Can you understand the difference?
Nikki x
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 11:17:29
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Deneb, posted by JenStar on January 19, 2006, at 11:10:32
> All of us have to meet these guidelines; not just you - so don't feel alone. :) Sometimes we all have to change behaviors to fit into a certain group. That's not necessarily bad, do you think?
>
> JenStar
>Yeah, I gave it more thought and I think you're right. Maybe following these rules will make things easier on me, in that huge blow-ups on the board will be avoided. Everyone feels bad when things blow-up.
I'll follow the rules. I'll do what I can to prevent things from getting out of hand.
Deneb
Posted by JenStar on January 19, 2006, at 11:20:53
In reply to Re: change to FAQ *TRIGGERS*, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 9:54:04
Deneb, I don't hate you!
Sometimes I feel frustrated when I read your posts about SI or death, because I don't know how to best help or respond, and because it seems to be a chronic problem for you. I feel bad when I see people suffering from chronic problems that don't seem to improve over time.
Sometimes I get frustrated when I read your posts about SI because I interpret the words used as being somewhat "light" about death. Interpretation is personal, and since I don't know you IRL it's hard to fully "get" someone from their words. And of course I own my feelings; my feelings are MY responsibility, not yours.
But since you asked, that is how I feel sometimes.
Other times, I really enjoy your posts because they are fun, light-hearted and supportive. I enjoy reading your humorous and "story telling" posts.
But that doesn't mean I want you to go away, or to stop posting your negative thoughts. I do hope you're able to stay within the civility guidelines (and I think you can do it!) so that you can keep participating here. You're a valued member! :)
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 11:21:14
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Deneb, posted by NikkiT2 on January 19, 2006, at 11:16:15
> Deneb,
>
> firstly, remember not *everything* is about you.Yeah, I tend to think everything is about me.
> Don't joke about, and don't use it as a threat. You can say "I am in so much pain right now and I have a terrible urge to cut or OD". That is not making light of it. But you shouldn't say "Oh, I can't face taking tomorrows test so I'm going to OD to get out of it".
>
> Can you understand the difference?I think I understand the difference...maybe. I have to include the part about the pain with my sentence right? Is that it? Otherwise I don't think I get the difference.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 11:26:26
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Deneb, posted by JenStar on January 19, 2006, at 11:14:13
> When you ask those questions, are you asking them in a frustrated, sarcastic kind of way, to let people know that you don't *like* the new rules, or are you really serious that you don't understand how to interpret the rules?
I wouldn't say I was being sarcastic. I think it was more of a whiny slightly angry tone behind those questions. I really do want to know the answers for technical reasons, but I also felt a bit angry because at first I thought it was all about me and how people don't like the things I post.
> Do you really think that you are being asked to maintain mental health in order to participate on the site? How do you interpret that?
Sort of, yes. I have to get rid of my urges to post inappropriate things.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 11:42:06
In reply to Re: change to FAQ *TRIGGERS* » Deneb, posted by JenStar on January 19, 2006, at 11:20:53
> But that doesn't mean I want you to go away, or to stop posting your negative thoughts. I do hope you're able to stay within the civility guidelines (and I think you can do it!) so that you can keep participating here. You're a valued member! :)
>
> JenStar
Thanks JenStar!I hope Dr. Bob feels the same way.
Deneb
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 19, 2006, at 13:30:59
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » NikkiT2, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 11:21:14
>
> I think I understand the difference...maybe. I have to include the part about the pain with my sentence right? Is that it? Otherwise I don't think I get the difference.
>
> Deneb
>Deneb,
Thats not exactly what I meant. Instead of simply epxlaining you are in pain, you seem to have a tendency to make it sound like you are simply using an OD to avoid something. Thats what makes it come across as sounding like you are making light of it. That, insteadof wanting to do it *because* of pain, you see it as a good way to avoid doing something you don't want to.
Out of interest, have you looked at the characteristics of Avoidant PD? I think it might ring true with you alot more than BPD does.. Though the two are often co-morbid, and I'm pretty sure that these days, while my BPD is much more under control, my avoidant side is coming out really strong.
Nikki x
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 14:15:51
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by NikkiT2 on January 19, 2006, at 13:30:59
> Thats not exactly what I meant. Instead of simply epxlaining you are in pain, you seem to have a tendency to make it sound like you are simply using an OD to avoid something.
Most of the time that is true.
> Thats what makes it come across as sounding like you are making light of it. That, insteadof wanting to do it *because* of pain, you see it as a good way to avoid doing something you don't want to.
Does this mean that I can't post anything about death or self harm when they are used to avoid things or to, um, "influence" people?
> Out of interest, have you looked at the characteristics of Avoidant PD? I think it might ring true with you alot more than BPD does..
Yes, a few years ago I came to the conclusion I either had/have an avoidant personality or social anxiety.
Meh, I don't know what is wrong with me, maybe everything, maybe nothing.
Deneb
Posted by sleepygirl on January 19, 2006, at 15:44:06
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 9:18:16
this issue really and honestly and truly is pertinent to A LOT of people
Posted by alexandra_k on January 19, 2006, at 15:50:06
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » NikkiT2, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 14:15:51
> Meh, I don't know what is wrong with me, maybe everything, maybe nothing.
lol, thats how i feel about me at times :-)
maybe... there is a middle ground?
i agree that you shouldn't take this personally.
i see it as something of a comprimise.
a comprimise between people being able to post about suicide / si
and between people finding those threads hard (especially when someone they know has killed themself or something like that)you CAN post about your urges / thoughts
but you need to do this in a way that is respectful to the point that most other people (not all - but most) find death to be a really very serious matter.i think you do grasp this at times.
but at other times you forget.it is a middle ground.
hopefully it will lead to less conflict over the issue on the boards (which will be better for you and for other people too)
:-)
Posted by Phillipa on January 19, 2006, at 22:13:37
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by alexandra_k on January 19, 2006, at 15:50:06
Deneb I think what you said before is true you need to see someone IRL to talk to in person so the urges don't overcome you. And I do not take SI lightly. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2006, at 22:52:49
In reply to Re: change to FAQ *TRIGGERS*, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 9:54:04
> Please clarify "lightly". What is considered inappropriate?
From Merriam-Webster OnLine:
Main Entry: light·ly
: in a light manner: as
b : with indifference or carelessness : UNCONCERNEDLY <the problem should not be passed over lightly -- Shelly Halpern>Main Entry: un·con·cerned
2 : not anxious or upset : free of worrySorry, but this is bound to be somewhat subjective. Like civility in general. If anyone's unsure about the appropriateness of something, they can always ask before posting it.
Bob
Posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 23:16:32
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2006, at 22:52:49
> Sorry, but this is bound to be somewhat subjective. Like civility in general. If anyone's unsure about the appropriateness of something, they can always ask before posting it.
>
> BobDr. Bob, that was of no help to me whatsoever. I know the definition of "lightly".
As for asking about the appropriateness of something, I did. I asked many times in the posts above. Can *somebody* tell me if they are OK or not? Just tell me, YES or NO.
Example: Can I post that it's fun to think of ODing sometimes? (not that I do, just an example)
Can I post: "Hmmm...just for the heck of it I think I'll learn to tie a noose?"
Can I post: "I really don't want to write my exam, I think I'll take an OD"
Can I post: "People here are making me very upset"...then something to the effect of them making me want to OD or die or something?
Aaahhhh! This is sooo frustrating!ARGH! I'm angry. I wish I could come up with a 100 examples, but I can't 'cause I gotta go to bed now.
Can someone tell me the tone of Dr. Bob's post? It sounded like he was annoyed with me, or angry or something.
Well that's fine, if he's angry, 'cause I'm angry too. So there!
Sorry folks, minor tantrum...
Deneb
Posted by Dinah on January 19, 2006, at 23:34:38
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2006, at 22:52:49
Dr. Bob.
Deneb has asked very specific questions in two separate posts. Why not answer them? New rules always need clarification, and better now than in practice.
I'm interested to know as well.
Posted by Dinah on January 19, 2006, at 23:36:55
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 23:16:32
Deneb, why don't you combine and number the two sets of questions from the two posts (or more if there were more) and put them in one post directed to Dr. Bob.
He tends to give more specific answers if you ask very specific questions.
Unless of course he just says that he won't know until it's in context, in which case we can both scream in frustration. Very loudly.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 20, 2006, at 11:51:11
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 23:16:32
Just for the record, I think I would interpret those as taking death/SI lightly. That's my gut reaction to those quote, anyway. I don't know how Dr. Bob would assess them.
gg
Posted by Deneb on January 20, 2006, at 14:15:47
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Deneb, posted by gardenergirl on January 20, 2006, at 11:51:11
> Just for the record, I think I would interpret those as taking death/SI lightly. That's my gut reaction to those quote, anyway. I don't know how Dr. Bob would assess them.
>
> ggThanks gg. That was kind of you to answer.
I have another question...
Is it OK to post that I'm starting to think that Dr. Bob want me dead again?
Is it OK to post that I think Dr. Bob is targeting me for extermination?
Yes or NO
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 20, 2006, at 14:57:00
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » gardenergirl, posted by Deneb on January 20, 2006, at 14:15:47
Sorry about my post above.
Maybe I'm not thinking straight again.
Deneb
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2006, at 22:53:19
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Deneb on January 19, 2006, at 23:16:32
> > If anyone's unsure about the appropriateness of something, they can always ask before posting it.
>
> As for asking about the appropriateness of something, I did. I asked many times in the posts above. Can *somebody* tell me if they are OK or not? Just tell me, YES or NO.What I said was to ask *before* posting. If you ask in a post, you've already posted it...
Bob
Posted by Deneb on January 20, 2006, at 23:01:03
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2006, at 22:53:19
> What I said was to ask *before* posting. If you ask in a post, you've already posted it...
>
> BobOK, I gotcha. I won't ask in a post them. Who can I ask? Can I ask you? The deputies don't know much about this new rule yet.
Deneb
Posted by Dinah on January 20, 2006, at 23:32:25
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2006, at 22:53:19
Ok, but since the questions have already been asked, can you answer them publicly? It's a new policy, and I'd like to know the permutations.
You've always been clear on wanting to administrate publicly so that others can learn. If you want to email Deneb (or deputies) the answers, I guess that would do. But I don't think it would be as useful to the community, do you?
Posted by Dinah on January 20, 2006, at 23:39:40
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 20, 2006, at 23:32:25
Or maybe it would be.
I don't know anything anymore. :(
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2006, at 17:47:34
In reply to Re: change to FAQ » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on January 20, 2006, at 23:32:25
> Ok, but since the questions have already been asked, can you answer them publicly? It's a new policy, and I'd like to know the permutations.
>
> You've always been clear on wanting to administrate publicly so that others can learn.OK, here are some hypothetical examples:
> I'm so upset that I want to OD.
> I'm thinking about jumping off buildings. These thoughts are in my head, but I don't want to die.Those I think I'd see as posting about suicidality without treating it lightly.
> People here are making me very upset and making me want to OD.
> Dr. Bob wants me dead again.Those I don't think I'd see as treating it lightly, either, but could lead others to feel accused or be jumping to conclusions.
> It's fun to think of ODing.
> Hmmm...just for the heck of it I think I'll learn to tie a noose.
> I really don't want to write my exam, I think I'll take an OD.
> I think it would be a good idea to OD so people will take me seriously. ODing is a very bad and serious thing.And those I think I'd see as treating it lightly.
I hope that helps,
Bob
Posted by Deneb on January 21, 2006, at 21:08:10
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2006, at 17:47:34
Thank-you for explaining and answering my questions Dr. Bob. That was nice.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 21, 2006, at 21:28:26
In reply to Re: change to FAQ, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2006, at 17:47:34
> > People here are making me very upset and making me want to OD.
> > Dr. Bob wants me dead again.
>
> Those I don't think I'd see as treating it lightly, either, but could lead others to feel accused or be jumping to conclusions.I'll be very careful about that one Dr. Bob. I have to remember never to post anything about anyone wanting me to die.
>
> > It's fun to think of ODing.
> > Hmmm...just for the heck of it I think I'll learn to tie a noose.OK, I get that those two are treating it lightly.
> > I really don't want to write my exam, I think I'll take an OD.
> > I think it would be a good idea to OD so people will take me seriously. ODing is a very bad and serious thing.But I don't get how these two are treating it lightly. Believe it or not Dr. Bob, I actually took an OD of aspirin so I wouldn't have to write a midterm exam. I took the OD because I thought that the doctor wouldn't take me seriously. If you don't believe me I'll show you the form a pdoc signed saying that I was a threat to myself and stuff before he locked me up! It was kind of serious, I was in the ER and everything and later locked up. Are you saying that if I ever feel like doing that again I cannot post about it??
Deneb
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