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Posted by Dinah on July 14, 2005, at 20:32:59
Dr. Bob,
It is never pleasant to have antisemetism associated with one's post. And please don't say that it should matter that I know I'm actually a semitophile (sp?) because I also know I'm not a *ssh*le, but it would be considered uncivil to say such a thing to me.
Couldn't comparing things, directly or in clear implication, to actions by Nazis or mentioning antisemitism while objecting to a post that is not actually antisemitic fall under the existing civility guidelines? I can think of a few possible applications, including exaggeration.
Just a thought.
And Lou, I do know that you aren't intending to call anyone an antisemite.
Posted by gabbii on July 14, 2005, at 23:51:46
In reply to A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster, posted by Dinah on July 14, 2005, at 20:32:59
It hurts! and it hurts a lot of people, isn't that why things are considered uncivil?
I'd rather read the word aS* any day than feel I was being associated with something abhorrent.
Posted by SLS on July 15, 2005, at 6:20:01
In reply to A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster, posted by Dinah on July 14, 2005, at 20:32:59
> Dr. Bob,
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> It is never pleasant to have antisemetism associated with one's post. And please don't say that it should matter that I know I'm actually a semitophile (sp?) because I also know I'm not a *ssh*le, but it would be considered uncivil to say such a thing to me.
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> Couldn't comparing things, directly or in clear implication, to actions by Nazis or mentioning antisemitism while objecting to a post that is not actually antisemitic fall under the existing civility guidelines? I can think of a few possible applications, including exaggeration.
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> Just a thought.
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> And Lou, I do know that you aren't intending to call anyone an antisemite.
Hi Dinah.I haven't read the posts that have upset so many people. Maybe if I did, I'd feel differently about things.
I don't think it is uncivil to draw analogies that include the Nazis and the Holocaust. I wouldn't necessarily agree with the comparison, but I would respect the poster's privelege to voice that particular opinion. There is the possibility that the poster is overgeneralizing, in which case, an intervention by Dr. Bob might be warranted.
Regarding calling someone an antisemite, that would seem like an obvious PBC. I wish I could read the post that included this accusation. I guess the degree of acceptability of such a thing depends on the cleverness of the author.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 8:01:45
In reply to Re: A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster, posted by SLS on July 15, 2005, at 6:20:01
Scott, Lou has never accused anyone of being an antisemite. He has asked for determinations of whether posts have the potential to arouse antisemitic feelings. And he has described historical behavior towards Jews ranging from systemic prejudice to Nazi actions when asking for determinations and objecting to posts.
My inference is usually that the historical information, asking about potential to arouse antisemitic feelings, and the post he is referring to are related.
I've had that happen to my post, and I did feel extremely hurt, especially since I would convert to Judaism if I could.
Dr. Bob's response on more than one occasion is to say that if you know you aren't an antisemite, you shouldn't be upset by that. I find that stance to be inconsistent with other civility rulings on his part. And I wonder if perhaps he finds the implication of antisemitism less offensive than the implication of being an *ssh*le, for example. I do not find it so.
However, I would be able to swallow my hurt on the matter. My suggestion was made in response to what appears to be a lot of other people's hurt.
Posted by SLS on July 15, 2005, at 8:33:15
In reply to Re: A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster » SLS, posted by Dinah on July 15, 2005, at 8:01:45
Thanks for replying, Dinah.
> Dr. Bob's response on more than one occasion is to say that if you know you aren't an antisemite, you shouldn't be upset by that.
LOL
Say it ain't so, Dr. Bob, say it ain't so...
Do you think it rises to the level of defamation?
I still have to read a few posts to form an opinion, although I'm not yet sure how important it is to me yet to do so.
> I find that stance to be inconsistent with other civility rulings on his part.
I wish I had read all the stuff that has led to such a determination by Dr. Bob. I might be opening up myself for ridicule by many people here, but I rarely find Dr. Bob's determinations to be inconsistent with his civil guidelines or prejudicial to any one individual. I also see that the guidelines and their enforcement work to maintain order and civility here. Would a completely different protocol for the moderation of this site work to accomlish the same objective? Probably, but I haven't set out to synthesize one.
I could suggest something that would really throw a monkey-wrench into the works. However, it might not be civil to do so. So, I will anyway. :-)
Someone could reply to a post that upsets them by following that post with one that has in its subject line "Possible trigger" and just submit it with no message. LOL. Take THAT Dr. Bob. Hee hee. :-)
Hmm.
- Scott
Posted by Racer on July 15, 2005, at 12:32:25
In reply to Re: A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster » Dinah, posted by SLS on July 15, 2005, at 8:33:15
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> > Dr. Bob's response on more than one occasion is to say that if you know you aren't an antisemite, you shouldn't be upset by that.
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> LOL
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> Say it ain't so, Dr. Bob, say it ain't so...
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> Do you think it rises to the level of defamation?
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If it doesn't, it will do 'til one comes along...> I still have to read a few posts to form an opinion, although I'm not yet sure how important it is to me yet to do so.
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Just my opinion, but it's not worth your time, Scott. I've read a few of them, and while an argument can be made that the accusation isn't explicit, there is a strong implicit suggestion that people here are using the same strategies as the Nazis used against the Jews in the period leading up to Kristalnacht. Other than raising your blood pressure, and running the risk of getting sucked into this little brouhaha, there might not be much point in taking the time to find and read the threads in question.Just my opinion, for everything it is or isn't worth to you.
> > I find that stance to be inconsistent with other civility rulings on his part.
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> I might be opening up myself for ridicule by many people here, but I rarely find Dr. Bob's determinations to be inconsistent with his civil guidelines or prejudicial to any one individual.
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Well, we can sit in that corner together, Scott. I generally agree with much of what Dr Bob decides in these matters.The only thing I don't agree with is the automatic doubling of block periods. I can see that that policy does create a sort of non-arbitrary punishment system, but I think that something more subjective -- like a one week block for everything, unless someone is apparently willful in breaking the rules multiple times -- might be more palatable. Otherwise, I usually agree, too, with Dr Bob's rulings.
Even when they're against me.
xoxo
Racer
who is feeling rather low due to a fear of consequences for recent actions...WHERE IS DR BOB?? Let the ax fall NOW, for Pete's sake! {regretful chuckle}
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2005, at 1:28:42
In reply to Re: A suggestion from Dinah, acting as poster » Dinah, posted by SLS on July 15, 2005, at 8:33:15
> Couldn't comparing things, directly or in clear implication, to actions by Nazis or mentioning antisemitism while objecting to a post that is not actually antisemitic fall under the existing civility guidelines?
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> DinahIt could, but I'm not sure it necessarily would...
> I could suggest something...
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> Someone could reply to a post that upsets them by following that post with one that has in its subject line "Possible trigger" and just submit it with no message.
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> Hmm.
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> - ScottThanks, I think I like that. Seeing it not as something inherently uncivil, but as bringing up a topic that may be difficult for people...
Bob
Posted by gabbii on July 16, 2005, at 17:04:52
In reply to Re: A suggestion from SLS, posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2005, at 1:28:42
> > Dinah
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> It could, but I'm not sure it necessarily would...
>Happy thoughts.. happy thoughts Dinah : )
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