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Posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 8:00:34
In reply to Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 0:59:53
I think I know what's going on, but if I post it it will sound accusitory.
Are you enabled for babblemail?
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 28, 2004, at 9:06:10
In reply to Re: Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob » zenhussy, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 8:00:34
> I think I know what's going on, but if I post it it will sound accusitory.
>
> Are you enabled for babblemail?It's not necessary for someone to answer that question in public. There's a button on the babblemail window that checks that for you. I'm not certain of this, but I think you yourself have to have babblemail enabled before you can use that window.
Lar
Posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 9:14:16
In reply to Re: Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob » AuntieMel, posted by Larry Hoover on July 28, 2004, at 9:06:10
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 9:16:28
In reply to Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 0:59:53
Zenny, I just love your persistence.....keep knocking on that door...the least that can happen is the old well scenario.....or should I say the best? I'll talk to you later.......xoxo pat
Posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 9:30:16
In reply to Re: Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob » AuntieMel, posted by Larry Hoover on July 28, 2004, at 9:06:10
Where do you find the button? Maybe I'm on the wrong page?
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 9:57:09
In reply to Re:I give up » Larry Hoover, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 9:30:16
The only way I know how to do it is like this - on the actually email form, fill it out with zenhussy's name, and click the long box that says something like "Check Babblemail Settings"
It will say AuntieMel is set to send and Zenhussy is set to receive. So, yes, Zen apparently can receive Babblemail.
Em
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 13:38:27
In reply to Re:I give up » AuntieMel, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 9:57:09
Where the heck is there a link to Babble mail anyway? Besides Lar's post... I've never found it.
gg
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 28, 2004, at 13:57:39
In reply to Babblemail, posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 13:38:27
> Where the heck is there a link to Babble mail anyway? Besides Lar's post... I've never found it.
>
> ggAt the top of the board, where it says "The FAQ has more information about privacy, explanations of the options here", it's buried in the options.
Lar
Posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 14:09:18
In reply to Re:I give up » AuntieMel, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 9:57:09
Larry's post from above:
>I think I know what's going on, but if I post it it will sound accusitory.
>Are you enabled for babblemail?It's not necessary for someone to answer that question in public. There's a button on the babblemail window that checks that for you. I'm not certain of this, but I think you yourself have to have babblemail enabled before you can use that window.
Lar
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>The only way I know how to do it is like this - on the actually email form, fill it out with zenhussy's name, and click the long box that says something like "Check Babblemail Settings"
>It will say AuntieMel is set to send and Zenhussy is set to receive. So, yes, Zen apparently can receive Babblemail.
>Em
Em,Thank you for taking the time to publicly state what Larry just said isn't necessary to do.
I'm glad you were able to use the function to check. Thanks for the unveiling of privacy. I thought more of you than this.
--zh
Posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 14:12:44
In reply to Re: Let's keep things transparent here Dr. Bob » zenhussy, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 8:00:34
>I think I know what's going on, but if I post it it will sound accusitory.
>Are you enabled for babblemail?
Mel,Thanks for the offer but my question was directed at Dr. Bob. I'm sure there are many theories out there in many circles but I'm not particularly interested in those.
I am seeking for this admin to continue to follow the precedents he sets forth.
I'm sure that many others would be interested in your information so perhaps babblemailing them might clear up some people's confusion.
--zh
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 14:16:23
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » TofuEmmy, posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 14:09:18
zen,
First let me say I am sorry if you were hurt by any posts in this thread. But I'm confused...if anyone can check someone else's status on Babblemail, it seems to me that there is no privacy about whether you are enabled or not.Or can you be enabled just to specific posters and not everyone? I'm confused! I think I should stick to email. At least I think I have that part down.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 14:17:02
In reply to Re: Babblemail » gardenergirl, posted by Larry Hoover on July 28, 2004, at 13:57:39
Thanks Lar...clearly no worries about snake bites here.
:D
gg
Posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:55:34
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » zenhussy, posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 14:16:23
Well, only registered babblers can check, and they probably have to enable themselves first. Putting it out here is visible to the world.
I'm sure that wasn't intended, but it *is* something to keep in mind.
Posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 18:22:35
In reply to Re: privacy » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:55:34
> Well, only registered babblers can check, and they probably have to enable themselves first. Putting it out here is visible to the world.
> I'm sure that wasn't intended, but it *is* something to keep in mind.Here is the FAQ as of 16:20 PDT: Please don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm (or discuss specific ways of harming) themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others, post information that identifies another poster without their permission or that you know to be false, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- etc. Even if you're quoting someone else.
Regarding the privacy issue I think that "please don't...post information that identifies another poster without their permission...." fits this circumstance. Any babbler with babblemail activated can check to see if the recipient has babblemail activated.
I do not see any reason to advertise ANY babbler's babblemail status on board. I see it as abusive as posting someone's e-mail addy. My e-mail has always been in PB Open so if anyone wants to contact me they have been able to do if they belong to Yahoo!'s groups to join PB Open.
It felt like an invasion of privacy and basically makes any thought of using the feature completely not an option.
Thank you for understanding AuntieMel for seeing the issue at hand here that has gotten off topic from my original questions to Dr. Bob at the top of this thread.
--zh
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:36:24
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » zenhussy, posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 14:16:23
GG - I'm also confused. It's public knowledge if someone uses Babblemail.
I thought the comment from Larry was saying, to whoever that was, You don't have to answer that question in public
...meaning, the question ZEN was asking!! THAT question could be answered in private using Babblemail. That was my interpretation.
Emmy
Posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 19:34:46
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » gardenergirl, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:36:24
> GG - I'm also confused. It's public knowledge if someone uses Babblemail.
>
It's not *exactly* public knowledge, you have to be registered here to check, that's the difference I think.
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 20:12:02
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » TofuEmmy, posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 19:34:46
Yes, I see that I have committed a dastardly deed! My apologies to Ms Hussy. My intention was simply to assist the poster who needed help. Truly I didn't mean to do anything underhanded, or invasive. I actually thought I was doing a good deed! D'oh.
e
Posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 20:19:44
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » gabbix2, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 20:12:02
I hope you didn't think I was chastising you Em, I wasn't. It was obvious that you meant well.
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 20:55:21
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » TofuEmmy, posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 20:19:44
I think ZH is still feeling pretty down from her flu and that is affecting her. She was awfully sick for several days. Pat
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 21:04:26
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » TofuEmmy, posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 20:19:44
"you meant well."
Oy..this made spit milk on my keyboard. Have I become so old in my dotage that it's time to hit the rocker and shawl, and people will walk by, pat my hand, and say "Oh old emmy...she meant well". :-)
Emmy, Older than Dirt
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:59:17
In reply to Re: privacy » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:55:34
Ah, I didn't think of that, thanks.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 22:02:05
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 21:04:26
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 29, 2004, at 1:48:08
In reply to Re:Thanks for the lack of privacy » TofuEmmy, posted by zenhussy on July 28, 2004, at 14:09:18
> BellaD's threads and posts have disappeared but not from everywhere. Same with Jack A's and some of mister's.
Sorry, it took me some time to get caught up.
> I didn't see BellaD receive a block anywhere. Would you please clarify what has become of this poster or if this poster was posting under a different name that was blocked previously?
Those names were all being used by someone who was supposed to be blocked. Those names are now permanently blocked, and that poster has been re-blocked for 52 weeks.
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> I think that "please don't...post information that identifies another poster without their permission...." fits this circumstance.
>
> I do not see any reason to advertise ANY babbler's babblemail status on board. I see it as abusive as posting someone's e-mail addy.I disagree. Your babblemail status doesn't identify you, there are lots of other posters with that same status.
Also, in case this isn't clear, just knowing your babblemail status doesn't mean someone can babblemail you, they still need to be registered here (and to have it turned on themselves).
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> Thank you for taking the time to publicly state what Larry just said isn't necessary to do.
>
> I'm glad you were able to use the function to check. Thanks for the unveiling of privacy. I thought more of you than this.Please don't be sarcastic or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or post a follow-up here.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zenhussy on July 29, 2004, at 2:31:14
In reply to Re: please be civil » zenhussy, posted by Dr. Bob on July 29, 2004, at 1:48:08
> I disagree. Your babblemail status doesn't identify you, there are lots of other posters with that same status.
> Also, in case this isn't clear, just knowing your babblemail status doesn't mean someone can babblemail you, they still need to be registered here (and to have it turned on themselves).
Dr. Bob,Gee, imagine my surprise to find that in my sincere not derogatory statement to the poster in question I end up with a PBC. How about how I felt put down by this poster's actions? Do my feeling once again not come into play on this board?
Ah but your ongoing interest in ETHICS might lead you to see what would happen for someone with a need for as much privacy as can be afforded.
Here's how I now see it. If I left my babblemail activated........I immediately turned it off after said poster publically announced on board that my babblemail was active......and then started receiving babblemail from every tom, dick, and harry registered and reading at this site. I would be returning each of these to you with the individual fingerprints for you to find them and let them know I'm not interested in volumes of mail. This seems like a bunch of extra work for you for babblers that will abuse the system. Trust me it will be abused as this board has received almost every kind of attack so this is only evolution of harassment on this board.
I have no problem with babblemail being a feature that only registered babblers can access.....my problem lies in divulging that information here on board. How can you see it as not inappropriate? Does this mean I can hint at various ways to contact said poster?
My babblemail status was NOT for the board to be aware of. If each individual wanted to take the time to see if my babblemail was on then fine. This way nobody needed to check because said poster felt free to let the world know.
Now it is an option I will never use as already I can tell you are not concerned for your posters privacy rights.
As always baffled by your decisions,
--zh
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 29, 2004, at 4:14:06
In reply to Re: please be reasonable » Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on July 29, 2004, at 2:31:14
> If I left my babblemail activated ... and then started receiving babblemail from every tom, dick, and harry registered and reading at this site. I would be returning each of these to you with the individual fingerprints for you to find them and let them know I'm not interested in volumes of mail.
If you get babblemail you're not interested in, you can let them know yourself, just not open it, or turn it off. If you ask them not to babblemail you again and they do, then forward everything to me, and I'll block them.
> Trust me it will be abused as this board has received almost every kind of attack so this is only evolution of harassment on this board.
I'm afraid that may be the case, and that's one reason I didn't implement it sooner. But let's give it a try...
Bob
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