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Posted by Karen_kay on March 31, 2004, at 8:45:19
Since some posts can cause triggers, I'm curious to know if there is a rule (FAQ, anything) about posting triggers in the subject line of posts that can cause concern while reading. At the very least, suicide and SI triggers should be a must. Any thoughts?
Posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 10:44:56
In reply to posting triggers in subject lines, posted by Karen_kay on March 31, 2004, at 8:45:19
I completely agree. I wish there was a rule about requiring a trigger warning about both SI and suicidal topics.
Of course, as readers we would have to use self-control in not reading those entries.
I also wonder about allowing people to post direct suicide threats. It is SO detrimental to everyone else on the board. I realize that these people need support, but is this the place for them to get it? Recent events have shown that this doesn't always work in their best interest.
Of all people here, I do understand the pain of suicidal thoughts, and the results of threats, gestures, and completed suicide on other people. So, perhaps my opinion is too tainted by experience....but I think there should be a rule against posting suicide threats. It's too painful for the entire community.
That doesn't mean we can't talk about suicidal thoughts and feelings...we HAVE to. Just those direct threats - that's what I'm referring to.
Emmy
Posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 12:26:52
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines » Karen_kay, posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 10:44:56
I just re-read my post and I'm sorry if it sounds like I think I'm the only person on the planet who has been affected by suicide. I've been have one huge pity party lately!
I shall terminate the party shortly. Em
Posted by Karen_kay on March 31, 2004, at 18:08:17
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines, posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 12:26:52
You are just concerned about the issue, and it's close to you. Understandable. Just because you are close to the issue doesn't mean that you sounded as if you are the only person affected by it. Your post didn't come across that way in the least. And it didn't sound like a pity party either. I think that trigger warnings are important, and should be used. I know that something triggered me earlier this week, but it was something that no one should have thought to put a warning on. And I'll not name the specific post, as there isn't a need to. I just think that specific triggers should be mentioned in the subject line. If one doesn't have the strength to withhold from opening, can't say we didn't try. Just a thought, and a gesture we could all do to help out... Thanks for agreeing Emmy. I so very much like it when people agree with me!
Posted by SLS on March 31, 2004, at 21:04:51
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines, posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 12:26:52
> I just re-read my post and I'm sorry if it sounds like I think I'm the only person on the planet who has been affected by suicide. I've been have one huge pity party lately!
>
> I shall terminate the party shortly. Em
Take your time.
- Scott
Posted by shar on April 1, 2004, at 18:09:55
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines » Karen_kay, posted by EmmyS on March 31, 2004, at 10:44:56
>It is SO detrimental to everyone else on the board. I realize that these people need support, but is this the place for them to get it?>
As one of "these people" and a "them".......
....where else would I go? Do you have a recommendation about a place for people who have developed cyber-friendships HERE to go?
Maybe someone who makes the above statement does not actually have suicidal feelings, or want it around here. Probably the best lesson is to learn that (here at PB) making "suicidal threats" may end up with the police at one's door, and rightly so (IMHO). How better to learn a way to talk about intention (not threat, IMO) vs. ideation?
But, is it truly so detrimental? Do I have to go some other place just when things are so bad I do not think I can make it through the night--and want to say so?
A 'trigger' warning seems quite reasonable to me. But, to cast out somebody because they want to say they intend to harm themselves, is NOT reasonable, IMO. And, for anyone who's gotten a visit from the police, thank god they're still around to compliment or complain!
It would seem quite cold to me to tell somebody, "Well, you can talk about Feeling suicidal, but don't talk about it when you feel you are on the verge of doing it. 'K? Then, go somewhere else."
Well, in my experience, there isn't anywhere else. I know I can't talk to family about it, or friends (except a couple), and to take away my option of mentioning it here would be SO detrimental to me.
Shar
> I completely agree. I wish there was a rule about requiring a trigger warning about both SI and suicidal topics.
>
> Of course, as readers we would have to use self-control in not reading those entries.
>
> I also wonder about allowing people to post direct suicide threats. It is SO detrimental to everyone else on the board. I realize that these people need support, but is this the place for them to get it? Recent events have shown that this doesn't always work in their best interest.
>
> Of all people here, I do understand the pain of suicidal thoughts, and the results of threats, gestures, and completed suicide on other people. So, perhaps my opinion is too tainted by experience....but I think there should be a rule against posting suicide threats. It's too painful for the entire community.
>
> That doesn't mean we can't talk about suicidal thoughts and feelings...we HAVE to. Just those direct threats - that's what I'm referring to.
>
> Emmy
Posted by gabbix2 on April 1, 2004, at 18:36:26
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines, posted by shar on April 1, 2004, at 18:09:55
Hey Shar love, I'm in the spiral myself right now so I actually haven't had the initiative to post anything
(No nothing bad's happened-- besides the depression I mean) I agree with with every word you've said.
Thanks.
I'm sorry you're feeling <insert adjective>
I can't think of one powerful enoughxoxox
S.
Posted by EmmyS on April 1, 2004, at 20:18:56
In reply to Re: posting triggers in subject lines, posted by shar on April 1, 2004, at 18:09:55
I'm really sorry that my post made you feel unsupported or unwelcomed. I truly apoligize. The topic of suicide is one I should just stay away from. I wish I could delete my posts so no one else is hurt by my boneheaded insensitivity. Sometimes that topic makes me think with blinders on.
As the "daughter of a suicide", I think about it from the surviving child's side and get very angry with the suicidal person. I think that accidently came out in my post. Apparently my therapy bills aren't quite done yet.
Again, I'm VERY sorry. Emmy
Posted by Jai Narayan on April 1, 2004, at 20:30:48
In reply to Re: posting triggers To Shar and Gabbix, posted by EmmyS on April 1, 2004, at 20:18:56
Posted by gabbix2 on April 1, 2004, at 20:34:02
In reply to Re: posting triggers To Shar and Gabbix, posted by EmmyS on April 1, 2004, at 20:18:56
emmy you've never come across as boneheaded or insensitive! Gosh no. Unfortunately right now
my powers of communication are kind of limited and
I probably sounded terse because I just don't have much energy.
I have my own baggage when it comes to this topic and that probably comes across too. Sometimes there just isn't any other place to go!
In a perfect world yes there would be some help out there somewhere.
In my corner of the universe there is no therapy or hospital
to go to for help unless I've actually attempted and then it's in and out again. (I'm in Canada)
I think my anger at my poverty and at the system comes across too
Sometimes cyberhelp is really all there is.So please don't think you sounded insensitive or
boneheaded.. you didn't. It's just a topic that can't help but bring up strong feelings.
Posted by shar on April 1, 2004, at 22:56:03
In reply to Re: posting triggers To Shar and Gabbix, posted by EmmyS on April 1, 2004, at 20:18:56
Emmy and Gab--
No, Gab, do not go!! I command you! You are too young, too special, and have so much before you that can change (or that you can change in the future). Change so that this is a place you want to stay for a while. I definitely want you here!!
Emmy, I do not have any idea how you feel. I lost my dad when I was just 14, but not through suicide. I think you have much to offer with your perspective. To tell people how much it would mean if they stayed; what a gift that might be to their children. Plus, I am very sorry you are a child of a parent who died through suicide.
Shar
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