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Posted by jay on March 25, 2004, at 15:00:53
Bob, please check this message at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040324/msgs/328199.htmlThere are suicidal indications.
I know this caused a stire recently with another message on here, but none-the-less I thought it important to point out. I am sure you agree.
Thanks..Jay
Posted by shar on March 25, 2004, at 18:17:32
In reply to Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.., posted by jay on March 25, 2004, at 15:00:53
I may be dreadfully wrong, but, the message I read was from someone in pain, trying to work on meds, BP, with children, and the anniversary of her sister's death on the horizon. I did not get the sense that she was ready to end it all.
My sense was that she is most decidedly in pain, great pain, with suicidal ideation, and needs support, and whatever conventional/old fashioned wisdom we on this board can provide. And, maybe hope for something...meds? Stories of people who have gotten better?
God forbid I am wrong.
However, is saying "I want to die" or "I want to commit suicide" a good enough reason to call one's ISP? I don't know. What I believe is that if she gets support, she will be ok. I have not always believed that (it depends on the post or series of posts); in this case it seems she is only saying she feels suicidal. I feel suicidal, too, but, you can probably 'grok' from the tone of this post, I'm not going anywhere yet.
It is SO important to have a place to say "I want to die" or "I thought about X which would kill me." That has always been an important part of this forum to me, because there was no other place I could say it. (OK, I could say it to my T.)
Anyhow, I support intervention, even admire it. And, I'm so pleased I don't have to determine when to do it. Just.....let's not take feeling suicidal off the table as a topic here.
With due respect to Dr. B and Jay,
Shar
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2004, at 18:23:37
In reply to Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.., posted by jay on March 25, 2004, at 15:00:53
Posted by jay on March 25, 2004, at 18:39:15
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.., posted by shar on March 25, 2004, at 18:17:32
Shar...I understand what you are saying, and it sounds like how to deal with these instances is still in a state of flux on here. I don't want to see it preventing people from opening up, yet my 'survivor' instincts are idealistic, and I wish I could help/change everybody's life to hope...but I know I can't. I don't really know what else to say...but I do value what you and others have said on the topic. I have a personal belief that *hope is eternal*...but I don't want to shove that down anybody's throat.
Anyhow...my .02 cents...I hope to hear more discussion on the topic.
Thanks
Sincerely,
Jay
Posted by noa on March 25, 2004, at 20:32:28
In reply to messages...I agree.. » shar, posted by jay on March 25, 2004, at 18:39:15
I guess the post worries me too because she seems so on the verge of acting on the feelings. But I would feel better maybe if she posted again and gave us an indication of how on the verge she is or isn't.
Posted by shar on March 25, 2004, at 21:23:46
In reply to Re: messages...I agree.., posted by noa on March 25, 2004, at 20:32:28
I agree with Noa. It would be nice to have more than one or two posts. And, Jay, I wish I could join your 'hope is eternal' position, but, being suicidal myself, I find it is not.
Thanks to you both,
Shar
Posted by gardenergirl on March 25, 2004, at 22:07:29
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.., posted by shar on March 25, 2004, at 18:17:32
> My sense was that she is most decidedly in pain, great pain, with suicidal ideation, and needs support, and whatever conventional/old fashioned wisdom we on this board can provide. And, maybe hope for something...meds? Stories of people who have gotten better?
That is my general sense as well, althoug I am concerned about her. Also about the other poster, as she seems now to be packing things up and giving them away.
> God forbid I am wrong.
>>... but, you can probably 'grok' from the tone of this post, I'm not going anywhere yet.
Sorry to suddenly shift tones, here. But "grok"? I am flashing back to 10th grade English class! Oh, now I am dating myself. Thanks for the memories.
And it's nice that there are both newbies and veterans here to offer support and hope.
Take care,
gg
Posted by shar on March 26, 2004, at 18:06:15
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.. » shar, posted by gardenergirl on March 25, 2004, at 22:07:29
>
Also about the other poster, as she seems now to be packing things up and giving them away.>GG--what you describe above is the kind of activity that would worry me, too. Is this the person who had the police look in on her? And she is still making preparations? Sorry, I don't follow things like I used to.
Thanks,
Shar
Posted by gardenergirl on March 27, 2004, at 0:56:19
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob..possible suicidal message.. » gardenergirl, posted by shar on March 26, 2004, at 18:06:15
Yes to both. She's still packing up her stuff as she feels she can never return to nursing school. Absolutely heartbreakingly hopeless sounding.
gg
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