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Posted by jay on August 26, 2003, at 19:14:36
Dr Bob, I am another who is very upset with this new formula for blocking. I think people are just going to feel that much more hurt and dejected by this policy. I wouldn't want to see this for even people I absolutely, completely disagreed with and felt they posted something hurtful. I suggest you take a poll and see how many are in favour and against this policy, as even my rough count puts a very high number against this policy. Don't forget, we also contribute to this site with our own knowledge and stories, and have provided you with research and support material in the past, so I believe we should have and are entitled to a say in these matters. Without us, too, there would be no psycho-babble. Please think deeply about this.
Sincerely,
Jay
Posted by stjames on August 26, 2003, at 21:31:53
In reply to This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by jay on August 26, 2003, at 19:14:36
It it removes people who have a history of causing
problems here, all the better.
Posted by djmmm on August 27, 2003, at 8:45:53
In reply to Re: This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by stjames on August 26, 2003, at 21:31:53
> It it removes people who have a history of causing
> problems here, all the better.If that were the absolute truth and "standard" I would have NO problems with the present policy...but the vast majority of time, a poster is subject to name-calling ("please be civil") and labeling for vague thoughts or "snippits" often taken out of context, that may or may not be "offensive" to someone, somewhere. Unfortunately, there is no psycho-eutopia.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 27, 2003, at 10:50:26
In reply to This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by jay on August 26, 2003, at 19:14:36
> Don't forget, we also contribute to this site with our own knowledge and stories, and have provided you with research and support material in the past, so I believe we should have and are entitled to a say in these matters.
I haven't forgotten. And you do have a say. In fact, it was feedback on the old system that led to this new system.
Bob
Posted by stjames on August 27, 2003, at 19:54:39
In reply to Re: This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by djmmm on August 27, 2003, at 8:45:53
name-calling ("please be civil")
Are you saying that "please be civil"
is name calling ??
Posted by djmmm on August 28, 2003, at 14:50:26
In reply to Re: This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by stjames on August 27, 2003, at 19:54:39
> name-calling ("please be civil")
>
> Are you saying that "please be civil"
> is name calling ??
stjames,
Yeah, civility is (I'm sure you know) "adequate in courtesy and politeness : MANNERLY" and being asked to be civil is labeling me as "uncivil" and that's is name calling, and offends me, especially since the standard of "civility" is subjective to a myriad of things. (cultural relativism, etc)I guess my point is (obviously) that anything can offend anyone...and censorship and labeling are on the top of my list, especially in a community of people struggling to regain a sense of who they are... people at their wits end with being depressed, suffering through often debilitating side-effects (that their doctors often never mention)...and looking for a reason to live.
Posted by stjames on August 28, 2003, at 23:26:36
In reply to Re: This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by djmmm on August 28, 2003, at 14:50:26
> stjames,
> Yeah, civility is (I'm sure you know) "adequate in courtesy and politeness : MANNERLY" and being asked to be civil is labeling me as "uncivil" and that's is name calling, and offends me, especially since the standard of "civility" is subjective to a myriad of things. (cultural relativism, etc)Then you have the option of not posting here.
>
> I guess my point is (obviously) that anything can offend anyone...and censorship and labeling are on the top of my list, especially in a community of people struggling to regain a sense of who they are... people at their wits end with being depressed, suffering through often debilitating side-effects (that their doctors often never mention)...and looking for a reason to live.I don't like using mental illness as an excuse.
Posted by wendy b on August 29, 2003, at 10:44:10
In reply to Re: This new x10 or whatever ban policy...., posted by djmmm on August 28, 2003, at 14:50:26
> > Are you saying that "please be civil"
> > is name calling ??
>
>
> stjames,
> Yeah, civility is (I'm sure you know) adequate in courtesy and politeness : MANNERLY" and being asked to be civil is labeling me as "uncivil" and that is name calling, and offends me (...)I agree, as do many who are blocked and would like to comment. So thank you DJMMM. Being told that you're not civil is, in itself, an instance of name-calling. It infers, from a written, internet exchange - which can be and often is, misinterpreted - that the intent of the poster is a transparently-obvious negative blight on the Psychobabble landscape. So calling people uncivil is less than kind, wouldn't you say?
> (...) especially since the standard of "civility" is subjective to a myriad of things. (cultural relativism, etc)The standard of civility has been applied so unevenly, and, at times, with such heartbreaking results (posters feeling isolated, or judged, or simply worse than they already did, etc), that I am often left in a state of stupefaction.
(": the act of stupefying : the state of being stupefied.
Etymology: Middle English stupifien, from Middle French stupefier, modification of Latin stupefacere, from stupEre to be astonished + facere to make, do -- more at DO. Date: 15th century. 1 : to make stupid , groggy, or insensible 2 : ASTONISH, ASTOUND")> I guess my point is (obviously) that anything can offend anyone...
Excellent point. If you're looking hard enough, you'll find it.
>and censorship and labeling are on the top of my list, especially in a community of people struggling to regain a sense of who they are... people at their wits end with being depressed, suffering through often debilitating side-effects (that their doctors often never mention)...and looking for a reason to live.
Yes, this is the tragedy and the real human toll that results from some of the more egregious examples of turning people away from the board. I don't condone anyone taking pot shots at others, or people who are out to start fights, or who continually bait people until somebody bursts a brain vessel... Nevertheless, I'm sure Bob will now say that it's not clear that the examples I'm offering here are transparent, either, and round and round we go. It's simply too difficult to make any effort to derive sense out of what goes on here.
DJMM, I and those of my ilk recognize you and honor your input.
Sincerely,
Wendy
Posted by stjames on August 29, 2003, at 19:43:22
In reply to Re: hey, I'm not blocked, so... » djmmm, posted by wendy b on August 29, 2003, at 10:44:10
While I do not agree with all of Dr. Bobs blocks,
and feel he lets situations develop till many are hurt, I feel we do need to be told when we step over the line. "Please be civil" is a good way to indicate this, I think.
Posted by mashogr8 on September 7, 2003, at 19:50:05
In reply to Re: hey, I'm not blocked, so..., posted by stjames on August 29, 2003, at 19:43:22
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 7, 2003, at 20:33:53
In reply to What new ban policy...confusion reigns in my brain (nm), posted by mashogr8 on September 7, 2003, at 19:50:05
> confusion reigns in my brain
Sorry about that, see above:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030808/msgs/253380.html
Bob
Posted by stjames on September 8, 2003, at 1:40:47
In reply to What new ban policy...confusion reigns in my brain (nm), posted by mashogr8 on September 7, 2003, at 19:50:05
This is the end of the thread.
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