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Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 8:24:53
In reply to Language Police and MAOIs, posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 15:13:21
Originally posted by TapiocaMonk 8/5/03
> If you are fed up with the senseless language policing on this message board or if you are just looking for another source of supportive MAOI users, may I suggest trying the MAOI message board on yahoo.com.
>
> I started out posting on psycho-babble months ago, but stopped entirely after finding this wonderful new message board and getting a bit fed up with Dr. Bob's censorship. Give it a try.
>
> Here is the link:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maois/messages
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> Hope to see you there.
Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:08:55
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam, posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 10:05:50
Originally posted by St James 8/6/03
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> > *shrugs* And I am talking from personal experience, not just something I have read on the net
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> > Nikki
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> I have been on several too, and received spam.
> This dies not mean either of us are wrong !
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Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:12:20
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:08:55
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 6, 2003, at 10:16:36
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:08:55
You were saying that yahoo groups causes spam.. The only mail I ever get from yahoo Groups (as I have it set to check at site, not email messages to me) are ones I require as a moderator.. new members etc.
Once a month or so in my yahoo account I get a mail from Yahoo telling me about new services etc.Thats it.. thats all I get in there (other than personal emails regarding Voluntary work I do connected to a yahoo group).. and I checked, and my account is now 3 years old.. so, you say I have to give it time, yet 3 years is quite a while in my book.
The only other place I have used that email is here.. its rarely posted here, but I must have done it as I get an occasional mail from posters that have found my address!!!From discussing with friends, if you never sign up to a website, or ever give your address out on a public board, you really won't get much, if any, spam. Though if you do open spam mails this will increase the amount you get alot of the time!
So, I was just pointing out that your comment that "everyone gets spam" is false!
Nikki
Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:33:34
In reply to Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (grin) » TapiocaMonk, posted by KimberlyDi on August 6, 2003, at 10:26:53
Originally posted by KimberlyDi to Tapioca Monk 8/6/03
> TM,
> Depression is not an excuse for breaking rules. Posting is not like talking to someone when a cuss word slips out. Typing a message, you have that wonderful backspace option, or delete. There's also the "review your post" stage. Everything you post is deliberate. I always review mine carefully, to make sure I don't get post-banned.
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> I think you might be in a state of "reaction" right now, instead of action. By actions, you control whether you get post-banned by editing your replies. Simple.
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> I'm not being judgemental. I know my feelings would be hurt too. I purposely try to avoid that. And thanks for providing info on other online resources.
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> KDi in Texas
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> > I know you were only kidding, but many people on this message board seeking help for their depression are "fragile;" I certainly was when I began posting here.
> >
> > But I wasn't fragile about language, I was fragile about rejection.
> >
> > When I got banned from psycho-babble, I had just started (or hadn't yet started, can't really remember) taking Parnate and I was still FULLY down-in-the-dumps depressed. My kind of depression (probably same for many of you) is called refractory (recurring) depression, which seems to respond well to MAOIs. One of the symptoms of refractory (recurring) depression happens to be "rejection sensitivity." So, reading a message from Dr. Bob that I was banned from posting really got me down and I was near tears. Getting banned from something is not exactly what someone with refractory depression needs when they have, through some amazing bit of superhuman effort, pulled themselves out of their funk just long enough to try to seek help.
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> >
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Posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 11:52:06
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam » Dinah, posted by NikkiT2 on August 6, 2003, at 10:16:36
So, I was just pointing out that your comment that "everyone gets spam" is false!
But, so far everyone has said something like,
I have one account I do not get spam on.The recient "do not call" law in the states has
forced direct marketing folks to start spamming.
Think it was bad b4, just wait !
Posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 13:03:29
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 10:08:55
And I am talking from personal experience, not just something I have read on the net
The web pages I posted are from a yahoo groups moderator
Posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 16:33:06
In reply to So basically you've come here to..., posted by linkadge on August 6, 2003, at 15:00:21
Originally posted by Linkadge 8/6/03
> Tell us that we're unsuportive and that we ignore people with problems. Then you're telling us to join another board where the people are supportive.
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> But that fails to adress the fact that if we (the unsuportive people) join a board of suportive people, then by default the new board is not all supportive people any more.
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> The truth is that there are supportive people on this site, and there are unsuportive people on this site.
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> Linkadge
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2003, at 11:58:47
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs » TapiocaMonk, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 8:24:53
> senseless language policing
I don't know, this may seem senseless to you, too, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The last time you were blocked, it was for 4 weeks, so this time, it's for 8.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2003, at 12:13:48
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs » TapiocaMonk, posted by Dinah on August 6, 2003, at 8:24:53
It is possible
Posted by linkadge on August 5, 2003, at 16:46:15
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/248310.html
It is possible to clearly convey your ideas without using swear words or putting others down.
Personally, a board without a positive mission statement and purpose doesn't sound too apealing to me.
Linkadge
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I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (grin) (nm) » TapiocaMonk
Posted by KimberlyDi on August 5, 2003, at 17:00:46
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/248310.html
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 17:43:07
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/248310.html
And get spammed by yahoo groups ? No thank you !
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 18:10:14
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 17:43:07
First of all, I have been posting on that board for months and have never gotten spammed. Not once.
Second of all, a positive mission statement does not seem to translate into supportive, helpful posts. I have found the people who post on the yahoo board significantly more supportive and helpful than those who post on this board. I am not trying to put anyone down, it's just a fact of how the boards seem to operate. People take a personal interest in each other on the yahoo board and take time to answer each and every question that is posted in a thoughtful manner. I have posted messages on Psycho Babble that no one has responded to, and other postings have met with curt, one word answers.
I'm not making a commision off of new members on the yahoo board or trying to irritate Dr. Bob, I am just letting you know that there is another message board out there that can is especially helpful for those taking MAOIs. The yahoo board is completely civil, but if an occasional "a$$" slips into someone's message if they are particularly frustrated about something, they will receive plenty of helpful advice, not a two week ban from posting.
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:13:11
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 18:10:14
> First of all, I have been posting on that board for months and have never gotten spammed. Not once.
Everyone receives spam.
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:17:44
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:13:11
no site should require your e-mail address as a log in, period.
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 18:31:05
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:13:11
Not true. I have 2 email addresses, one on hotmail that I use whenever I register for anything or order anything on the 'net. On that address I get hundreds of spam messages a day.
My second address is a yahoo address that I only give out to friends and family (never to anyone else), and that is the one I use for the MAOI board on yahoo. I have honestly never recieved a single piece of spam on that address. period.> > First of all, I have been posting on that board for months and have never gotten spammed. Not once.
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> Everyone receives spam.--
Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 18:34:50
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:17:44
I think that is a matter of personal opinion, and if that is your reason for not wanting to post on that message board then I respect your decision. I don't think that they are using your email address for any untoward purposes, and just a reminder that to begin posting on this message board you must supply on email address as well.
> no site should require your e-mail address as a log in, period.
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:45:56
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 18:34:50
> I think that is a matter of personal opinion,
Personal opinion, I think not.
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Re: It is possible
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 19:08:09
In reply to It is possible, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2003, at 16:46:15
Just a note that this board does have a mission statement. Click on its "home" and it lists the purpose of the group, it also lists "rules" of the board, it just presumes that people are mature enough not to get out of control and in the thousands of messages there has never been a
problem.> It is possible to clearly convey your ideas without using swear words or putting others down.
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> Personally, a board without a positive mission statement and purpose doesn't sound too apealing to me.
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> Linkadge--
Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 5, 2003, at 19:24:20
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 18:13:11
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> Everyone receives spam.Not true.. I have a number of email addresses... one I use soley for yahoo groups and here - rarely recive any spam.. maybe once a month a Yahoo thing comes through. Another is for use only by my family, and that has never had a peice of spam. My main one how ever recives about 50 spam mails a day!!
Nikki
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 20:33:58
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by NikkiT2 on August 5, 2003, at 19:24:20
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> > Everyone receives spam.
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> Not true.. I have a number of email addresses... one I use soley for yahoo groups and here - rarely recive any spam.. maybe once a month a Yahoo thing comes through. Another is for use only by my family, and that has never had a peice of spam. My main one how ever recives about 50 spam mails a day!!
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> NikkiWell, then, you do receive spam. Give it time
and you will, on all your accounts. I admin over
18,000 e-mail accounts at work, so I know quite
a bit about spam.--
Re: Language Police and MAOIs » stjames
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 5, 2003, at 20:39:45
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 20:33:58
My Yahoo address I've had for nearly four years now.. how long would you like me to give it?? And as I am an IT professional I know a little bit about the subject.. if I never give out my address in public, I won't get spam in it. Hence my family only one (which I've had for 18 months) has never recieved a thing.. its run from my brothers domain through his own mail server.
My hotmail one I use for signing up to various sites so get alot of spam. I have afriend with a private hotmail one, that only a select few people know and has never recieved spam, so I believe that if I had ket my hotmail one private I wouldn't be receiving spam in thatNikki
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 21:21:10
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs » stjames, posted by NikkiT2 on August 5, 2003, at 20:39:45
if I never give out my address in public, I won't get spam in it.
then I geuss you have never heard of a dictionary attack.
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Bad posters not Lang Police
Posted by linkadge on August 5, 2003, at 21:29:36
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 21:21:10
The fact that people don't respond to your emails has nothing to do with the fact that Dr. Bob gets rid of offensive messages.
Lets just say you gave someone information on how to obtain a medication over the net illegally. Without some medical supervision, people can really hurt themselves with the wrong medication. Ie people not knowing about potential interactions - say MAO's and SSRI's could get into a life threatening situation.
Linkadge
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Re: Bad posters not Lang Police
Posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 21:46:53
In reply to Bad posters not Lang Police, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2003, at 21:29:36
> Lets just say you gave someone information on how to obtain a medication over the net illegally. Without some medical supervision, people can really hurt themselves with the wrong medication. Ie people not knowing about potential interactions - say MAO's and SSRI's could get into a life threatening situation.
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> LinkadgeI totally agree. This board generally has a critical mass so someone speaks up when bad info is posted. Several years ago, Dr Bob did have to speak up and warn about bad info. MAOI are esp.
tricky, and many seem to discount the dangers.--
Re: Bad posters not Lang Police
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 0:58:39
In reply to Bad posters not Lang Police, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2003, at 21:29:36
What the HELL are you talking about?
I obtain my medication through a hospital-based clinical research study on an outpatient basis. I would have no idea how to obtain medication over the internet and have never posted on the subject. At least have the decency to referrence a particular message if you are going to attempt to smear my name.
> The fact that people don't respond to your emails has nothing to do with the fact that Dr. Bob gets rid of offensive messages.
>
> Lets just say you gave someone information on how to obtain a medication over the net illegally. Without some medical supervision, people can really hurt themselves with the wrong medication. Ie people not knowing about potential interactions - say MAO's and SSRI's could get into a life threatening situation.
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> Linkadge--
Re: Bad posters not Lang Police
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 1:08:50
In reply to Re: Bad posters not Lang Police, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 21:46:53
The very idea that there is such thing as a "bad poster," as you call it, is just what drove me away from this message board. What someone in the depths of depression needs is support, and that was not something that I felt here.
The defensiveness tinged with cruelty in the messages being posted by stjames and linkadge do no good for anyone. I have worked through my depression and am not personally hurt by their comments, but I do hope that they show more sensitivity in their posts to the people on this message board who are still depressed and are seeking help for their depression.
> > Lets just say you gave someone information on how to obtain a medication over the net illegally. Without some medical supervision, people can really hurt themselves with the wrong medication. Ie people not knowing about potential interactions - say MAO's and SSRI's could get into a life threatening situation.
> >
> > Linkadge
>
> I totally agree. This board generally has a critical mass so someone speaks up when bad info is posted. Several years ago, Dr Bob did have to speak up and warn about bad info. MAOI are esp.
> tricky, and many seem to discount the dangers.
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Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (grin)
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 1:12:28
In reply to I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (grin) (nm) » TapiocaMonk, posted by KimberlyDi on August 5, 2003, at 17:00:46
I know you were only kidding, but many people on this message board seeking help for their depression are "fragile;" I certainly was when I began posting here.
But I wasn't fragile about language, I was fragile about rejection.
When I got banned from psycho-babble, I had just started (or hadn't yet started, can't really remember) taking Parnate and I was still FULLY down-in-the-dumps depressed. My kind of depression (probably same for many of you) is called refractory (recurring) depression, which seems to respond well to MAOIs. One of the symptoms of refractory (recurring) depression happens to be "rejection sensitivity." So, reading a message from Dr. Bob that I was banned from posting really got me down and I was near tears. Getting banned from something is not exactly what someone with refractory depression needs when they have, through some amazing bit of superhuman effort, pulled themselves out of their funk just long enough to try to seek help.
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Amen to this st. james-no thanks!!!!
Posted by galkeepinon on August 6, 2003, at 1:34:02
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 17:43:07
>>>>>>>And get spammed by yahoo groups ? No thank you !
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Re: Bad posters not Lang Police
Posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 2:08:39
In reply to Re: Bad posters not Lang Police, posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 1:08:50
If you are fed up with the senseless language policing on this message board
> The defensiveness tinged with cruelty in the messages being posted by stjames and linkadge do no good for anyone.
You seem to have no problems posting vitriol, yourself.
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Yahoo Spam
Posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 2:21:13
In reply to Re: Bad posters not Lang Police, posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 2:08:39
http://users.rcn.com/jdreyer/yahoospam.html
http://users.rcn.com/jdreyer/yahoogroups.html
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Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (g » TapiocaMonk
Posted by Viridis on August 6, 2003, at 3:23:52
In reply to Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (grin), posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 1:12:28
I understand the fragility issues, and for someone in a depressed phase, banning could be very upsetting. But the flip side is that Dr. Bob is trying to maintain what he perceives as "civility" on this board, and it is his domain. It's sort of like asking someone not to smoke in your house -- they may not like it, but it is your right to define and enforce the rules.
I don't think the previous posters were trying to accuse you of giving advice on internet meds etc. -- it was (in my opinion) a hypothetical situation: what if someone did offer bad advice on med combos?
This is a fairly strict board; usually I find this good, sometimes I think it's silly. I've gotten "please be civil" warnings for things I consider innocuous. I've seen people banned for language that I consider trivial, but obviously Dr. B doesn't. If it ever got to the point where I thought the censorship was excessive, I'd simply stop checking in or posting here, but so far I can live with it. The bottom line is that Dr. B can set whatever rules he wants, and if people don't like it, there are alternatives. It may hurt some feelings, but it does avoid a free-for-all.
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Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (g
Posted by TapiocaMonk on August 6, 2003, at 4:39:12
In reply to Re: I welcome Dr Bob's policy's. I'm fragile. (g » TapiocaMonk, posted by Viridis on August 6, 2003, at 3:23:52
-you're right about me misreading the earlier post, I went back and reread it. No harm done.
-of course Dr. Bob has the right to police his own message board and set the policies here, but we also have the right to choose to post elsewhere if we disagree with those policies or if we run afoul of his sensibilities and are blocked from this message board.
-I have to disagree that policing is necessary to prevent a "free-for-all." If you look in on the yahoo MAOI message board, it is the farthest thing from a free-for-all imaginable.
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Re: Language Police and MAOIs » stjames
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 6, 2003, at 6:29:25
In reply to Re: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by stjames on August 5, 2003, at 21:21:10
I know what you're talking about James.. but I'm not stupid, and am talking from experience. I do not get ANY spam int he addresses that I do not give out in public. Thats a fact I'm afraid, and you cannot argue that I do receieve spam when I know full well I don't! I've been using email for 14 years now, and the internet for 12, and as I said before, I work in IT, so I do have a pretty good understanding of this.
If you think I am lying, just say it.. but I can assure you that my address that I have never given out DOES NOT get spam in it.
Nikki
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Re: Yahoo Spam » stjames
Posted by NikkiT2 on August 6, 2003, at 6:32:59
In reply to Yahoo Spam, posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 2:21:13
James, you can post as many link as you like.. but I do not get ANY spam from Yahoo groups!! I am a moderator on two groups, and belong to two others, and have been in exess of 3 years.
*shrugs* And I am talking from personal experience, not just something I have read on the net
Nikki
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Is this thread just an experiment?
Posted by SLS on August 6, 2003, at 7:29:01
In reply to Re: Yahoo Spam » stjames, posted by NikkiT2 on August 6, 2003, at 6:32:59
I wonder if the powers that be are letting this thread go unmoderated to see how far off track it goes.
- Scott
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P-B is a wonderful board!
Posted by irishcatholic on August 6, 2003, at 7:45:49
In reply to Language Police and MAOIs, posted by TapiocaMonk on August 5, 2003, at 15:13:21
I think this is the best run board on the net.
Sorry if you feel otherwise.
Thanks to all posters & Dr. Bob for all your hard work. God bless all of you!--
Thanks to all posters Dr. Bob (nm)
Posted by galkeepinon on August 6, 2003, at 8:12:53
In reply to P-B is a wonderful board!, posted by irishcatholic on August 6, 2003, at 7:45:49
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2003, at 20:18:58
In reply to Redirected: Language Police and MAOIs, posted by Dr. Bob on August 7, 2003, at 12:13:48
> Thanks to all posters & Dr. Bob for all your hard work. God bless all of you!
>
> irishcatholic> Thanks to all posters Dr. Bob
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> galkeepinonYou're welcome, and thanks to all posters from me, too!
Bob
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