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Posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2003, at 0:57:02
I have to post this here. I am offended by this comment (You seem very bitter) and have read other folks being pbc'd for such things. I found this very much jumping to conclusions and not using the old "I" statement. Would you please take a peek?
Thanks,
zenhussy
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030626/msgs/237340.html
Hope you get help soon. You seem very bitter. (nm) » zenhussy
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 26, 2003, at 19:44:03
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 8:09:29
In reply to Dr. Bob no access to reliable e-mail therefore..., posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2003, at 0:57:02
Please also see this post from the same night from zen hussy.
i am prickly as a cactus
and bitter as wormwoodhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030626/msgs/237386.html
bit·ter ( P ) Pronunciation Key (btr)
adj. bit·ter·er, bit·ter·est
Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
Marked by resentment or cynicism: “He was already a bitter elderly man with a gray face” (John Dos Passos).I would not consider saying you seem bitter any worse than saying you seem depressed or you seem angry. It was a statement of my perception of what this poster wrote. However I look forward as always to your civility decision. Brio
> I have to post this here. I am offended by this comment (You seem very bitter) and have read other folks being pbc'd for such things. I found this very much jumping to conclusions and not using the old "I" statement. Would you please take a peek?
>
> Thanks,
>
> zenhussy
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030626/msgs/237340.html
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> Hope you get help soon. You seem very bitter. (nm) » zenhussy
> Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 26, 2003, at 19:44:03
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 8:30:55
In reply to DR Bob , posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 8:09:29
I think I'll just spend my meager PB time ration on you, Bob. It's so easy to unintentionally offend on other boards. How do you handle the problem of art? May people be as incivil as they wish if they present it as a poem? Is insult acceptable in verse? Is a jab in a jingle OK? Is an indirect attack all right? Is enigmatic nastiness nice enough for Babble? We chimpanzees are an exquisitely sensitive race but I have found a kindred spirit in you and know that you must struggle with these questions also. I must go. May you always have extra whipped cream on your Jello my soul brother Bob.
Posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2003, at 9:56:26
In reply to DR Bob , posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 8:09:29
> I would not consider saying you seem bitter any worse than saying you seem depressed or you seem angry. It was a statement of my perception of what this poster wrote. However I look forward as always to your civility decision. Brio
From the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilPlease don't be sarcastic, joke about death or suicide, suggest that others harm themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- et cetera.
B.D.C.,
Tis the jumping to conclusions part and the posting anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
I felt quite put down by the post written and am dealing with it in the fashion that Dr. Bob has outlined in his FAQ:
If you're upset by something someone posts, you're welcome to respond to them yourself, but if you do, please be civil. If you want to make sure I know about a post, please either post yourself to Psycho-Babble Administration or email me directly (and include "Psycho-Babble" in the subject line).
I do not wish to respond to your posts therefore I'm bringing it up here on admin like Dr. Bob has put forth in the mighty FAQ.
zh
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 11:40:06
In reply to Re: DR Bob » Brio D Chimp, posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2003, at 9:56:26
Usage: Seem,..... to seem is connected with the idea of semblance, and usually implies an inference of our mind as to the probability of a thing's being so; as, a storm seems to be coming. ``The story appears to be true,'' means that the facts, as presented, go to show its truth; ``the story seems to be true,'' means that it has the semblance of being so, and we infer that it is true. `
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=seem
The words you posted seemed to support my inference that you (as represented by those words) were bitter.
"Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
Marked by resentment or cynicism"
...............................................
truthtellers burned alive
liars held aloft
their praises sung ahigh
while the hurt ones are lost................
appropriate and civil is all that is wanted
too bad most of our minds are all hauntedcobwebs for brains
spiders for eyes
stones for hearts
waiting until we die...............................................
If no one is allowed to make any kind of inference about anything in anyone else posts how can anyone respond? (Other than you had 187 words in your post and 3 of them are spelled wrong or something like that ) If I had said your poem is very nice would that have been judgemental? If I had posted you seem very merry would you have been angry about that too? When I said I hope you feel better was it wrong to make a judgement that you needed or wanted to feel better?Was it the choice of the word bitter? Or was it the phrase? Would your post sounds bitter have been acceptable?
I posted to you because no one else did that night and I thought you were in distress. I was unaware you were drinking.
I thought your reference to monkeys and primates and boards filled with chatter etc were perhaps less kind than one might have wished in these civil realms. I could say I don't care if you don't like me but it would be untrue. It has always been my fondest wish to be adored by all who come in contact with me. However since you said in your previous reply that you had no wish to reply I will expect no further reply.I'll try not to reply to your posts in the future.
Brio D Chimp
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2003, at 11:51:41
In reply to Re: DR Bob, posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 11:40:06
Is being adored by many who come in contact with you sufficient, if not ideal? :)
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2003, at 1:34:21
In reply to Re: DR Bob, posted by Brio D Chimp on June 29, 2003, at 11:40:06
> You seem very bitter.
>
> Brio D Chimp> I am offended by this comment...
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> zenhussy> I would not consider saying you seem bitter any worse than saying you seem depressed or you seem angry.
That was how I saw it, too, and why I let it go. However:
> bit·ter
> Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
> Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh
> Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear
> Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosityAnd I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.
> The words you posted seemed to support my inference that you ... were bitter.
>
> Brio D ChimpThe issue isn't whether inferences are supported, but whether they could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Bob
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 6:54:42
In reply to Re: please be civil » Brio D Chimp, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2003, at 1:34:21
> > You seem very bitter.
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> > Brio D Chimp
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> > I am offended by this comment...
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> > zenhussy
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> >
> That was how I saw it, too, and why I let it go. However:
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> > bit·ter
> > Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
> > Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh
> > Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear
> > Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animositySELECTIVE EDITING There BOB You can twist the truth into anything with selective pruning! I intentionally pasted the whole definition because I didn't want to appear to be doing that! I repost the entire definition._________________________________________________
> "Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
Marked by resentment or cynicism"__________________________________
Bob I pasted the whole definition.Thought you could see that alternate definitions apply. However since you didn't I will spell it out for you :) I don't think proceeding from strong animosity is anything to be ashamed of if you're writing a poem about the innocent being burned at the stake and liars prospering. I think it would be a put down to say someone didn't resent something like that. I think the poem was expressive of or resulting from severe grief, anguish or disappointment. It was about injustice and innocents suffering unheard,etc. I don't think it's a put down to think the author resents that. I would be put down if someone said I didn't resent that! I'd be put down if someone posted you seem very sweet after I'd posted something like that. But that's where I'm different from zenhussy I guess.
I hope your please be civil makes her feel better. I'm sure she's a sweet person and I apologize for calling her bitter in reference to the poem she posted.
> And I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.
You're so sweet Bob :) I shall endeavor not to :)
Have a nice day :) Thanks for being you :)
>
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 7:03:01
In reply to Re: please be civil :) sure sweetie ;-) » Dr. Bob, posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 6:54:42
OOOps I pasted in an incomplete definition. I corrected it :)
> > > You seem very bitter.
> > >
> > > Brio D Chimp
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> > > I am offended by this comment...
> > >
> > > zenhussy
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> > >
> > That was how I saw it, too, and why I let it go. However:
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> bit·ter ( P ) Pronunciation Key (btr)
adj. bit·ter·er, bit·ter·est
Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
Marked by resentment or cynicism: “He was already a bitter elderly man with a gray face” (John Dos Passos).> SELECTIVE EDITING There BOB You can twist the truth into anything with selective pruning! I intentionally pasted the whole definition because I didn't want to appear to be doing that! I repost the entire definition._________________________________________________
> > "Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
> Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
> Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
> Marked by resentment or cynicism"
>
> __________________________________
> Bob I pasted the whole definition.Thought you could see that alternate definitions apply. However since you didn't I will spell it out for you :) I don't think proceeding from strong animosity is anything to be ashamed of if you're writing a poem about the innocent being burned at the stake and liars prospering. I think it would be a put down to say someone didn't resent something like that. I think the poem was expressive of or resulting from severe grief, anguish or disappointment. It was about injustice and innocents suffering unheard,etc. I don't think it's a put down to think the author resents that. I would be put down if someone said I didn't resent that! I'd be put down if someone posted you seem very sweet after I'd posted something like that. But that's where I'm different from zenhussy I guess.
> I hope your please be civil makes her feel better. I'm sure she's a sweet person and I apologize for calling her bitter in reference to the poem she posted.
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> > And I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.
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> You're so sweet Bob :) I shall endeavor not to :)
> Have a nice day :) Thanks for being you :)
> >
>
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 7:08:28
In reply to Re: please be civil :) sure sweetie ;-) » Dr. Bob, posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 6:54:42
The real correction!!!
> > > You seem very bitter.
> > >
> > > Brio D Chimp
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> > > I am offended by this comment...
> > >
> > > zenhussy
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> > >
> > That was how I saw it, too, and why I let it go. However:
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> > > bit·ter
> > > Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
> > > Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh
> > > Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear
> > > Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity
>
> SELECTIVE EDITING There BOB You can twist the truth into anything with selective pruning! I intentionally pasted the whole definition because I didn't want to appear to be doing that! I repost the entire definition._________________________________________________
> > > bit·ter ( P ) Pronunciation Key (btr)
> adj. bit·ter·er, bit·ter·est
> Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
> Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
> Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
> Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
> Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
> Marked by resentment or cynicism: “He was already a bitter elderly man with a gray face” (John Dos Passos).
>> __________________________________
> Bob I pasted the whole definition.Thought you could see that alternate definitions apply. However since you didn't I will spell it out for you :) I don't think proceeding from strong animosity is anything to be ashamed of if you're writing a poem about the innocent being burned at the stake and liars prospering. I think it would be a put down to say someone didn't resent something like that. I think the poem was expressive of or resulting from severe grief, anguish or disappointment. It was about injustice and innocents suffering unheard,etc. I don't think it's a put down to think the author resents that. I would be put down if someone said I didn't resent that! I'd be put down if someone posted you seem very sweet after I'd posted something like that. But that's where I'm different from zenhussy I guess.
> I hope your please be civil makes her feel better. I'm sure she's a sweet person and I apologize for calling her bitter in reference to the poem she posted.
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> > And I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.
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> You're so sweet Bob :) I shall endeavor not to :)
> Have a nice day :) Thanks for being you :)
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>
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 7:10:55
In reply to Re: Brio, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2003, at 11:51:41
> Is being adored by many who come in contact with you sufficient, if not ideal? :)
You're right of course. I suppose it's always the first failure to be adored that hurts the most. Thank you
Posted by Brio D Chimp on June 30, 2003, at 8:26:42
In reply to Re: please be civil » Brio D Chimp, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2003, at 1:34:21
you. Don't be a big silly! Everyone makes a bad call sometime. I don't hold grudges! (But a couple of dozen would have been plenty!)
peace my administrator ;0)
Posted by zenhussy on June 30, 2003, at 22:00:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » Brio D Chimp, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2003, at 1:34:21
> > You seem very bitter.
> >
> > Brio D Chimp
>
> > I am offended by this comment...
> >
> > zenhussy
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> > I would not consider saying you seem bitter any worse than saying you seem depressed or you seem angry.
>
> That was how I saw it, too, and why I let it go. However:
>
> > bit·ter
> > Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
> > Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh
> > Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear
> > Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity
>
> And I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.
>
> > The words you posted seemed to support my inference that you ... were bitter.
> >
> > Brio D Chimp
>
> The issue isn't whether inferences are supported, but whether they could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> BobDr. Bob,
I appreciate your seeing how this could be construed as leading one to feel accused or put down. Now I wonder how it is that this poster posted the following three posts after being PBC'd(links listed below) with slight variations on the definition that got the PBC in the first place. Your very words in your PBC are as follows: Dr. Bob-->>And I can certainly see how that could lead others to feel accused or put down. So, please don't make any more comments like that.<<
Are these not more comments that you have just asked this poster to not make any more of?
Just asking for your administrative input here.
Thank you. If I had e-mail access I would be taking this up personally with you in e-mail exchanges but seeing as I am out in the boondocks I make quick use of whatever borrowed moments on mum's friends pcs I can get so that I'm not tying up their phone lines. (I truly am out in the middle of nowhere and without Internet access when one has become accustom to it is quite like caffeine withdrawl--rather icky!)
zh
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/238073.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/238076.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/238078.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2003, at 13:42:13
In reply to Re: please be civil--B.D.C. » Dr. Bob, posted by zenhussy on June 30, 2003, at 22:00:38
> I appreciate your seeing how this could be construed as leading one to feel accused or put down. Now I wonder how it is that this poster posted the following three posts after being PBC'd(links listed below) with slight variations on the definition that got the PBC in the first place.
It wasn't the definition that I thought was the problem, it was using the word in the first place...
Bob
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