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Posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 17:37:30
I have been concerned for a long time about your clause that says you are allowed to do whatever you want with whatever is posted here.
If I were to post song lyrics--say some Ani Difranco lyrics, which have already been copyrighted, you actually do not have the right to use the contents of my post in any way you choose, isn't that correct? You would have to ask permission of the author, correct?
The poetry that I have chosen to print here has been published and is already copyrighted. In fact, my whole manuscript has been copyrighted.
So, while I can post comments to others, and you can use those comments, you can't, legally, use anything that has already been published elsewhere. Isn't that correct?
beardy
Posted by mair on February 27, 2003, at 8:06:24
In reply to Copyrights--For Dr. Bob, posted by beardedlady on February 26, 2003, at 17:37:30
I'm not sure you're right about this. If you post the words of another (presumably with attribution), Dr. Bob presumably knows that those aren't "your" words and he probably reasonably assumes that the writer hasn't given you permission to reprint them. You may have a copyright as to some of the things you've written, but because it's your copyright, you also have the right to give someone else permission to use your words, and you can do things which would be construed as a waiver of any claims you might have. I don't know much (ie. anything) about this, but I assume Bob would argue that because of his published admonitions about his right to use what's written here, your choice to republish your own work on this site, operates as a waiver of copyright claims or a permission to Bob to use them for his own work.
Mair
Posted by beardedlady on February 27, 2003, at 8:10:32
In reply to Re: Copyrights--For Dr. Bob » beardedlady, posted by mair on February 27, 2003, at 8:06:24
But on the things I've published here, with only two exceptions, I don't own the copyrights. They are owned by the magazines that originally published them.
Okay, just wondering. I certainly will never put any of my poems on this site ever again.
beardy : )>
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 27, 2003, at 14:36:38
In reply to Re: Copyrights--For Dr. Bob » mair, posted by beardedlady on February 27, 2003, at 8:10:32
> I have been concerned for a long time about your clause that says you are allowed to do whatever you want with whatever is posted here.
1. I know, it's probably broader than it needs to be. I'm open to suggestions...
2. I think mair's analysis makes sense.
> I certainly will never put any of my poems on this site ever again.
As you wish, but may I ask why not? Is there an outcome you want to prevent? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by beardedlady on February 27, 2003, at 15:26:52
In reply to Re: Copyrights, posted by Dr. Bob on February 27, 2003, at 14:36:38
> As you wish, but may I ask why not? Is there an outcome you want to prevent? Thanks,
It's nothing against you or the site, which, overall, are nice. But I don't want to one day become Maryland's poet laureate and find that my name and bearded lady's name are linked! : )>
Because your clause is so broad, it makes it okay for you to take my poetry or Kid A's poetry and put someone else's (or even your own) name on it. It gives you permission to take our poems and put them into your own book of poetry under your own name.
Frankly, I doubt that it would hold up in court. It would be easy to prove authorship, and even though your rules say you can do with our words what you wish, I don't think you really can, legally, do ANYTHING you wish.
Yes, it would help if you'd more clearly define the perameters of your use--and also write something that protects us, as well. The best-written contracts are those that look out for the interest of both parties.
beardy : )>
Posted by mair on February 28, 2003, at 9:56:28
In reply to Re: Copyrights » Dr. Bob, posted by beardedlady on February 27, 2003, at 15:26:52
You're right in your assessment that Bob, regardless of the verbiage he uses, couldn't take one of your poems and put his name on it. I'm sure what he wants is to be able to publish our statements (as the statements of a poster, not of himself) without first obtaining our consent. He does this; I've read portions of some of my own posts in his on-line lectures.
There may be very good reasons for not wanting to post one of your poems. But the real danger is that a visiter to this site (but not Dr. Bob) could appropriate your poem as his or her own. I think it would be hard for Dr. Bob to get away from this since his papers seem to be seen by alot of PB posters.
Mair
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