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Posted by jay on January 21, 2003, at 10:14:24
One is I'd like your permission to post an announcement about a email discussion list for Canadians specifically, called the Online Canadian Mental Health Network. It's basically a resource based list to help Canadians online find quality mental health services in their area.Second, I was wondering if you have considered either a separate board, or some kind of protocol, around say a 'professional' posting, using their full name and credentials. (Which you yourself could verify.)
Thanks...
Jay
Posted by IsoM on January 21, 2003, at 14:12:11
In reply to Dr. Bob..a couple of questions.., posted by jay on January 21, 2003, at 10:14:24
http://www.canadian-health-network.ca/1mental_health.html
I'm surprised as it's a Canadian governmental site but with no .gov or mention of it in the URL.
I'm looking it over now. Thanks, Jay.
Posted by jay on January 21, 2003, at 17:18:23
In reply to is this the one you meant?? » jay, posted by IsoM on January 21, 2003, at 14:12:11
Nope..it's actually something I have started myself. :-) There will be a website and an email discussion list, so hopefully us Canucks can, on a regular basis and through experience, help each other with suggestions, comments on services, and even particular psychiatrist/psychopharms as well as therapists. (Of course..some are covered by our National health plan...others are not.)Thanks for the link to the site though..I will check it out. :-)
Take care,
Jay
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2003, at 21:57:22
In reply to Dr. Bob..a couple of questions.., posted by jay on January 21, 2003, at 10:14:24
> One is I'd like your permission to post an announcement about a email discussion list for Canadians specifically, called the Online Canadian Mental Health Network. It's basically a resource based list to help Canadians online find quality mental health services in their area.
Sure, but try not to over-promote it, OK?
> Second, I was wondering if you have considered either a separate board, or some kind of protocol, around say a 'professional' posting, using their full name and credentials. (Which you yourself could verify.)
Would you like to propose something? :-) Verifying who's who online isn't easy...
Bob
Posted by jay on January 23, 2003, at 4:13:50
In reply to Re: one answer and another question, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2003, at 21:57:22
> > One is I'd like your permission to post an announcement about a email discussion list for Canadians specifically, called the Online Canadian Mental Health Network. It's basically a resource based list to help Canadians online find quality mental health services in their area.
>
> Sure, but try not to over-promote it, OK?OK..will do..thank you. =)
> > Second, I was wondering if you have considered either a separate board, or some kind of protocol, around say a 'professional' posting, using their full name and credentials. (Which you yourself could verify.)
>
> Would you like to propose something? :-) Verifying who's who online isn't easy...
>
> BobWell..a few things. One, is I could fax you a copy of my diploma, and once I go get my membership with our Ontario College of Social Workers (the government's accreditation and mandated body), I'd be happy to find a way for you to cross reference/check that. (Maybe through their website...I could give you my membership info.) The only reason I haven't renewed this year is a)cost, and b) I have taken a leave of absence from work...doing other smaller non-social work jobs while getting better (from my illness.)I am planning on renewing next month.
I have to admit..and this seems a bit odd...but for confidentiality reasons, I would have to post under my full name w/ credentials, rather then my pseudonym I use.
I know there are a few others in the helping profession on here, and I bet they would be glad to participate. You can visit my respected Ontario College of Social Workers at:
http://www.ocswssw.org/index.aspPlease let me know what you think! If you'd like..we can correspond by email.
Thanks!..
Best, Jay
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2003, at 19:34:50
In reply to Re: one answer and another question » Dr. Bob, posted by jay on January 23, 2003, at 4:13:50
> > Verifying who's who online isn't easy...
>
> Well..a few things. One, is I could fax you a copy of my diplomaYes, but how would I know that it was really *your* diploma? This is one of the issues with e-therapy:
> > a person who is unlicensed could promote themselves as competent not by claiming false credentials for themselves, but by claiming the actual credentials of a qualified therapist by posing as them ("stealing" their identity).
> > E-Therapy: Case Studies, Guiding Principles, and the Clinical Potential of the Internet
> > http://wwnorton.com/NPB/nppsych/etherapy.htmBob
Posted by noa on January 24, 2003, at 5:50:17
In reply to Re: Verifying who's who online, posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2003, at 19:34:50
Hey, the US dept. of Education fell for the hoax of "Y'Hica University" and was ready to shell out student loans to a student supposedly attending there (it was just a name and a web site set up by congressional investigators) so I think it would be kind of labor intensive to have to verify the veracity of people's documentation.
Posted by shar on January 25, 2003, at 2:38:31
In reply to Re: Verifying who's who online, posted by noa on January 24, 2003, at 5:50:17
Seems possible that a neutral third party could be used in the verification process. Just as an example, having someone in Canada's equivalent to the APA or AMA or someone at a University do the verification, at least as much as finding out whether the named individual has a license or whatever....however, I see that doesn't help with the issue of someone posing as someone else. I guess if the neutral party would make a phone call to the named individual, that might be confirmation that it is the right person. But, if it's a scam, that wouldn't really work either.
Just a thought.
Shar
Posted by jay on January 27, 2003, at 0:57:58
In reply to Re: Verifying who's who online, posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2003, at 19:34:50
> > > Verifying who's who online isn't easy...
> >
> > Well..a few things. One, is I could fax you a copy of my diploma
>
> Yes, but how would I know that it was really *your* diploma? This is one of the issues with e-therapy:
>
> > > a person who is unlicensed could promote themselves as competent not by claiming false credentials for themselves, but by claiming the actual credentials of a qualified therapist by posing as them ("stealing" their identity).
> > > E-Therapy: Case Studies, Guiding Principles, and the Clinical Potential of the Internet
> > > http://wwnorton.com/NPB/nppsych/etherapy.htm
>
> BobWell, how about if we gave you our telephone number, references, and you could check with my provincial social work license organization? I would give them permission for you to verify my address and telephone number. (Of course you would have to call me to verify..or even send a letter to my address, the one the social work license board would give to you.) I think that is pretty fail-proof. What do you think?
I've even be willing to send in a resume..and/or answer questions regarding specific therapy techniques, and how I use them. (I could even send in the 'mock' videotaped interviews we did in the SW program in college.:-)Thanks...
Jay
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2003, at 9:40:48
In reply to Re: Verifying who's who online » Dr. Bob, posted by jay on January 27, 2003, at 0:57:58
> Seems possible that a neutral third party could be used in the verification process ... however, I see that doesn't help with the issue of someone posing as someone else.
>
> Shar> Well, how about if we gave you our telephone number, references, and you could check with my provincial social work license organization? I would give them permission for you to verify my address and telephone number. (Of course you would have to call me to verify..or even send a letter to my address, the one the social work license board would give to you.) I think that is pretty fail-proof. What do you think?
>
> JayI guess there are 2 issues, whether you're the person with the license and whether you're the person posting. I guess it would take something like this:
1. You give me your name and refer me to a "neutral [trusted] third party" like your social work license organization.
2. They verify that you are in fact the person with the license and give me contact information like your phone number.
3. I call that number and ask you for your PB password to verify that you are in fact the person posting.
Bob
Posted by jay on February 1, 2003, at 23:44:24
In reply to Re: Verifying who's who online, posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2003, at 9:40:48
> > Well, how about if we gave you our telephone number, references, and you could check with my provincial social work license organization? I would give them permission for you to verify my address and telephone number. (Of course you would have to call me to verify..or even send a letter to my address, the one the social work license board would give to you.) I think that is pretty fail-proof. What do you think?
> >
> > Jay
>
> I guess there are 2 issues, whether you're the person with the license and whether you're the person posting. I guess it would take something like this:
>
> 1. You give me your name and refer me to a "neutral [trusted] third party" like your social work license organization.
>
> 2. They verify that you are in fact the person with the license and give me contact information like your phone number.
>
> 3. I call that number and ask you for your PB password to verify that you are in fact the person posting.
>
> BobOh boy! Sounds like a bit of a headache, but I'd like to think about it for awhile. I am also a bit concerned about my own issues as a board 'consumer' and changing roles as a professional 'helper'. There may be some ethical concerns there I should talk over with a few other people and colleagues.(I am licensed in the province of Ontario.)
I hope we can keep this thread and dialogue going, though. This concept of a universally free helping community ties in strongly with social work beliefs and values, and I know there are others in the field who post who would possibly like to contribute in a more formal manner.
Does that make sense? I hope so. :-)
Thanks,
Jay
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