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Posted by ShelliR on July 11, 2002, at 23:46:41
Dr. Bob,
As long as we are all analyzing the board, I wanted
to understand something, and I hope you will give me a complete answer, rather than a one line quip.I would like to understand both the money aspect,
and the research aspect of this board. The money question should be able to receive a straight, factual answer. Since we do contribute to the board at your request, I believe that these questions are appropriate.Please explain how this works.
My understanding is that you pay "rent" for the space to put up this website, and the price of maintaining it. This money comes directly from your pocket. If there is a contribution, the check is be written to University of Chicago.
Then they give you this money in order to help with some of the monetary expense of the site.
1. Why is the money sent to the University of Chicago instead of to you, if they give the contributions directly to you? Is it related to the fact that you would have to pay taxes on this money if it didn't come from the University? Does the money you put into this site reduce your total income tax?
2. Aside from the amount the University reinburses to you from checks marked specically for PB, does the University of Chicago pay for any of your research? If yes, does any of that money go directly for sustaining this board? If not, why not? My understanding is that this is your primary function at university of Chicago. (Once I believe you mentioned that you had no students, which I understood to mean that you don't teach classes, nor supervise the training of residents,
psychiatric interns, etc.) If this is wrong, please correct me. If your primary role with the University is ressearch, why isn't your research from this site supported by your employer, the university i.e., paying for this site?
3. If the University is not giving you the money to run this site, do you get a tax break per year because of the expense of this board that comes directly from your pocket?These are all the questions I have for now. Again because you directly ask for contributions, I feel that these questions *are* appropriate.
Thanks, for your time in answering these questions.
ShelliR
Posted by hrtlm on July 12, 2002, at 3:31:16
In reply to New Issue (I think), posted by ShelliR on July 11, 2002, at 23:46:41
sheesh
> Dr. Bob,
>
> As long as we are all analyzing the board, I wanted
> to understand something, and I hope you will give me a complete answer, rather than a one line quip.
>
> I would like to understand both the money aspect,
> and the research aspect of this board. The money question should be able to receive a straight, factual answer. Since we do contribute to the board at your request, I believe that these questions are appropriate.
>
> Please explain how this works.
>
> My understanding is that you pay "rent" for the space to put up this website, and the price of maintaining it. This money comes directly from your pocket. If there is a contribution, the check is be written to University of Chicago.
>
> Then they give you this money in order to help with some of the monetary expense of the site.
>
> 1. Why is the money sent to the University of Chicago instead of to you, if they give the contributions directly to you? Is it related to the fact that you would have to pay taxes on this money if it didn't come from the University? Does the money you put into this site reduce your total income tax?
>
>
> 2. Aside from the amount the University reinburses to you from checks marked specically for PB, does the University of Chicago pay for any of your research? If yes, does any of that money go directly for sustaining this board? If not, why not? My understanding is that this is your primary function at university of Chicago. (Once I believe you mentioned that you had no students, which I understood to mean that you don't teach classes, nor supervise the training of residents,
> psychiatric interns, etc.) If this is wrong, please correct me. If your primary role with the University is ressearch, why isn't your research from this site supported by your employer, the university i.e., paying for this site?
>
>
> 3. If the University is not giving you the money to run this site, do you get a tax break per year because of the expense of this board that comes directly from your pocket?
>
> These are all the questions I have for now. Again because you directly ask for contributions, I feel that these questions *are* appropriate.
>
> Thanks, for your time in answering these questions.
>
> ShelliR
Posted by Lini on July 12, 2002, at 10:12:53
In reply to why not ask for his social security number too? » ShelliR, posted by hrtlm on July 12, 2002, at 3:31:16
What's your deal man? On the other boards you seem to contribute positively, but here, your posts are either sarcastic or down right mean(they always seem to be about the person, instead of about the content of the post). I guess I don't see your point at all.
-L
Posted by beardedlady on July 12, 2002, at 10:20:20
In reply to why not ask for his social security number too? » ShelliR, posted by hrtlm on July 12, 2002, at 3:31:16
Posted by ShelliR on July 12, 2002, at 14:37:44
In reply to Re: why not ask for his social security number too? » hrtlm, posted by Lini on July 12, 2002, at 10:12:53
> What's your deal man? On the other boards you seem to contribute positively, but here, your posts are either sarcastic or down right mean(they always seem to be about the person, instead of about the content of the post). I guess I don't see your point at all.
>
> -LI guess I should have anticipated that this topic would offend some, maybe a lot of people. I think my timing may suck. And I do sound sort of accusatory. But this is something
that I wondered about for quite a while. Since a lot of stuff is being put out on the table now, I guess I figured (with much ambivalence) that now was the time to get is ALL out. When someone both solicits and accepts donations, that the income structure of the organization is open to scrutiny. I am not the law; just curious.
And I didn't imply that what Dr. Bob does is not okay. Inquiring minds just want to know.
With this exodus (large or small) of participants of this group, the quote has again been offered., this is Dr. Bob’s site. (Even I have said that many times.) Questions came up for me when many contributions were made in Sar's name. What does in Sar’s name really truly mean, Like *is* this Dr. Bob's site, or does the university own a chunk of it; does the contributed money affect Bob’s personal money, etc.I know this must feel like a barrage of questions. But I didn't want to ask a question, then get an answer, then ask another question, etc. etc. I wanted to sort of lay it all out, then put it aside. Like if I wanted to know Dr. Bob's SS number I would have already asked.
Shelli
Posted by Kar on July 12, 2002, at 16:56:34
In reply to How do you know they were 16? (nm) » hrtlm, posted by beardedlady on July 12, 2002, at 10:20:20
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2002, at 12:47:19
In reply to New Issue (I think), posted by ShelliR on July 11, 2002, at 23:46:41
> 1. Why is the money sent to the University of Chicago instead of to you, if they give the contributions directly to you? Is it related to the fact that you would have to pay taxes on this money if it didn't come from the University? Does the money you put into this site reduce your total income tax?
The idea is for it to be a tax break for those who donate, since the University is a non-profit institution, not for me. I'm not a tax attorney, but my understanding is that if I accepted something directly, it would be a gift, and not income, and therefore not taxed unless it was a lot.
I haven't taken the money I put into the site as a deduction, no. But that's an idea...
> 2. Aside from the amount the University reinburses to you from checks marked specically for PB, does the University of Chicago pay for any of your research? If yes, does any of that money go directly for sustaining this board? If not, why not? My understanding is that this is your primary function at university of Chicago.
Two other projects have received internal funding (one that had to do with videoconferencing that never got off the ground and Grand Rounds on the Internet), but not this one. I'm on a clinical and educational track, not a research one.
> 3. If the University is not giving you the money to run this site, do you get a tax break per year because of the expense of this board that comes directly from your pocket?
I haven't, but like I said, that's an idea...
Bob
Posted by ShelliR on July 13, 2002, at 17:48:54
In reply to Re: money and research, posted by Dr. Bob on July 13, 2002, at 12:47:19
Okay, thanks.
I think that you answered all my questions. Except that if your papers from this site generate any income, I'm assuming that this is your income and doesn't to belong the school.
I'm not sure you can take this site as a deduction, since it is not set up as a business or nonprofit corporation.
If you did set this up as a corporation, you could take deductions *if* your research generated any income and pay yourself a salary. Probably also if the site pays you as a sole proprietor. But then you'd have to pay unemployment for yourself, I think. On the other hand, all your travel expenses to conferences would be reinbursed, if they aren't
already by the University.I'll have to wait until Mair comes back to see if additional questions should be answered, and if my analysis is way too simple. It probably is or your tax accountant would have advised you to do otherwise.
Shelli
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 14, 2002, at 15:16:30
In reply to Re: money and research » Dr. Bob, posted by ShelliR on July 13, 2002, at 17:48:54
> if your papers from this site generate any income, I'm assuming that this is your income and doesn't to belong the school.
Papers generate income? A book might generate some royalties, but it *costs* me money after a paper's published just to get a copy to put online. :-)
> your tax accountant
Hmm, there's another idea... :-)
Bob
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