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Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 11:15:43
I really don't want this site to become so PC that it doesn't allow for folks to express themselves without getting harrassed. I don't even mean Dr. Bob's civility rules - seems like the posters are getting too sensitive. I know Tina expressed this before, but I just felt like I needed to get it off my chest.
There are going to be posts you don't agree with - that's called open communication.
- KK
Posted by akc on January 15, 2002, at 16:07:10
In reply to Can we lighten up a little?, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 11:15:43
To further stir things up, you might start with the "log in your eye" as the bible puts it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020103/msgs/88745.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020110/msgs/90121.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20011216/msgs/2622.html
akc
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 16:59:34
In reply to Re: Can we lighten up a little? » Krazy Kat, posted by akc on January 15, 2002, at 16:07:10
Those were my opinions directed to a specific person. If you notice I use terms such as "I think" often to be sure that comes across. If you also notice, I stated that I hoped that John would say.
I didn't write Dr. Bob on the admin board and ask him to reprimand any of these people. I simply disagreed with them. I would not like it if there were no one to disagree with. It would be dangerous, would mean the board was taking on a certain tone instead of being open.
Frankly, I'm tired of your posts. You utilize the word "lawyer" and "thinking like a lawyer" when it suits you, when you agree with the posts. You seem to find free speech important - except when it isn't convenient. That sort of attitude drives me insane, if you'll pardon the pun.
By the way, this is just my opinion.
- K.
Posted by akc on January 15, 2002, at 17:59:20
In reply to Re: Can we lighten up a little? » akc, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 16:59:34
We agree on something -- I'm tired of your posts also.
I am a lawyer, and when I give an opinion that I feel is "legal" in nature, I feel that it is important that the reader know that. Has to do with the ethics of my profession. I don't want to mislead anyone. Anyone that has read my posts on this board knows that I try to avoid the legal stuff -- and just stick to my own illness and my own reaction to meds or situations.
You can dislike it all you want. I have made some really good friends on this board, I have gained a lot of useful insights from a lot of people I have come across on this board, I've defended Dr. Bob as much as I have critized him. I'm part of this community. And if your toes feel stepped, then so be it. You can dance all around and say what you will, but what you "accuse" me of ("stepping on free speech") is what you are doing here and what you have done in some of your earlier posts. You can call it disagreeing -- that is fine.
The board will lighten up when it lightens up. There has been a personality or two stirring things up lately. I haven't been around long, but already long enough to know that this too shall pass -- but pronouncements from those still here are unnecessary. This post pissed me off, pure and simple. Especially, when the only correcting I have seen so far today came from you towards JohnX2 -- yeah, he might have copped a little bit of an attitude in the way he posted, but he was really trying to help jaby in his reply. For you to dress him down -- all I saw was you needing to lighten up. JohnX2 will be fine, without your help. And it was you that jaby took issue with, not JohnX2. Besides those posts, things seemed to be lightening up just fine (as light as it can get considering some people are in crisis).
So why don't we call a truce for now -- I'll be a good little alanon person and I'll quit trying to change you and if you would like, you can do the same with me. But in the future, if you write something I disagree with, I may answer. I'll try to do it from the standpoint of getting my view on the subject out and hopefully it won't come across that I am trying to change your mind or attack you. I don't know you. I have no reason to attack you.
akc
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:06:36
In reply to Re: Can we lighten up a little?, posted by akc on January 15, 2002, at 17:59:20
Post whatever you want - at this point I don't plan on replying to it. IMO, you have no perspective outside of yourself.
Posted by IsoM on January 15, 2002, at 18:40:07
In reply to Re: Can we lighten up a little? » akc, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:06:36
Both akc & Krazy Kat, I value your opinions. I WANT to read everybody's opinions when I click on a subject heading. I want to read differing views, otherwise how will we know that other people have such different reactions. We're all very different & all have different feelings, backgrounds, problems, & of course, opinions. We NEED each other's perspective!
Both of you have made valuable comments that have made me think & I'm sure I'm not the only one to have benefited. I've read others comments in this forum which I've disagreed very strongly with but their opinion is still valuable & doesn't deserve my condemnation or chastisement. It's opinion not hard science. Even with Dolphin's posting, I didn't comment the first time in a negative way. I did forget what I'm now "preaching" & get lippy, which I apologised for.
When we feel depressed, it's SO easy to misinterpret what any one says to us. Even a glance can be so misread in that state. That's why I'll generally bend over backwards NOT to offend anyone. I'm not a wimpy, can't-take-conflict sort of person. It's just very difficult over the internet to be sure of someone's intentions.
You won't be hurting anyone but yourself with elevated stress hormone levels, & perhaps others that may decide to avoid a forum where people argue instead of supporting one another.
Please let's not make blanket staements about each other when our only means of contact & knowing each other is through this forum. Here we often watch the news & bickering, warring countires & think, why can't they get on with each other, but then, in person-to-person contact, we often do the same thing.
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:53:02
In reply to Re: Can we lighten up a little? » akc, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:06:36
akc:
Looking back on my posts, my tone is inappropriate. My logic, although at the core sound, is wavering as well.
I am switching meds - perhaps that is part it?
I do think we may be best off refraining from each other's posts - we seem to come from completely different places and I don't think in a good way.
- K
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:56:02
In reply to Please? Both of You Read This, posted by IsoM on January 15, 2002, at 18:40:07
IsoM:
I agree with you to a degree and certainly respect your posts - you seem to be one of the most lucid here.
I'm in a horrible mood, and just posted an apology.
However, I did need to post my feelings about the direction the board has taken lately. I am terrified it will become too PC to voice opinions.
That was all this thread was meant to be.
- KK
Posted by tina on January 15, 2002, at 19:14:26
In reply to Re: Please? Both of You Read This » IsoM, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:56:02
SOmetimes people just like to argue and that happens everywhere, including the net.
> IsoM:
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> I agree with you to a degree and certainly respect your posts - you seem to be one of the most lucid here.
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> I'm in a horrible mood, and just posted an apology.
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> However, I did need to post my feelings about the direction the board has taken lately. I am terrified it will become too PC to voice opinions.
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> That was all this thread was meant to be.
>
> - KK
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 19:33:56
In reply to Re: Please? Both of You Read This » Krazy Kat, posted by tina on January 15, 2002, at 19:14:26
Yes.
Posted by IsoM on January 15, 2002, at 20:17:00
In reply to Re: Please? Both of You Read This » tina, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 19:33:56
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2002, at 0:45:24
In reply to Re: Please? Both of You Read This » IsoM, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:56:02
> So why don't we call a truce for now
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> akc> I'm in a horrible mood, and just posted an apology.
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> However, I did need to post my feelings about the direction the board has taken lately. I am terrified it will become too PC to voice opinions.
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> KKI'm glad you two worked that out, good job! :-)
Maybe it's PC to want everyone to be civil, but beyond that, I don't want any opinions to be stifled, either. Different points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Bob
Posted by Krazy Kat on January 18, 2002, at 16:22:20
In reply to Re: Please? Both of You Read This, posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2002, at 0:45:24
Dr. Bob:
"I don't even mean Dr. Bob's civility rules" (from moi) --
I don't think rules of civility are PC at all. I'm very glad they're here. Thanks for your comment.
- KK
Posted by trouble on February 9, 2002, at 2:33:13
In reply to A slight apology :) - akc, posted by Krazy Kat on January 15, 2002, at 18:53:02
krazy kat,
I accept your apology.
It was not addressed to me and it's none of my business, but it was the loveliest thing. Dignified.
A template of rapprochment for those of us in need of examples. You've inspired me, Gracias.
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