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Posted by shelliR on June 1, 2001, at 14:26:25
I just wanted to put in a few words in support of Diane D. I'm not sure if she was warned or actually blocked.
In my (so very humble opinion, ha) their offenses were equal. Diane got messages from Nikki invalidating her experience with methadone. This is a pretty strong woman we are talking about, who was able to kick both heroin and then methadone addiction and seems to know her responses well. If she says methadone make her depressed and not high, I think we have every reason to believe her and not respond that methadone is a evil drug that should never ever be prescribed as an antidepressant. I am sad that after all she has gone through, her feelings again were invalidated by Nikki and others.On the other side, Nikki certainly did not deserve to get attacked for her vacation plans. They are totally her business. So Nikki gets a short suspension and support from Dr. Bob ("I don’t blame you for being outraged.")
But Diane also did not deserve to be treated as if her experience and beliefs were not rational. Where was Diane’s support from Dr. Bob?; I believe she had a right to feel outraged also (and also not to attack because of it). If Diane D. is blocked, then I think she deserves the same treatment as Nikki, and I would like to ask if she wants to, if she would be allowed back, since she has already "served" her suspension time.
I know Nikki's been around a very long time and Dr. Bob already said that does count in determining suspensions. Personally, I learned more of value from Diane's post about heroin and methadone addiction than I did from Nikki's vacation plans; I think that should count for something.
Shelley
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2001, at 0:50:10
In reply to Re: Diane D banishment, posted by shelliR on June 1, 2001, at 14:26:25
> I just wanted to put in a few words in support of Diane D. I'm not sure if she was warned or actually blocked.
She was warned once before:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010507/msgs/62286.html
and then blocked this time:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010522/msgs/64180.html
> Where was Diane’s support from Dr. Bob?
Well, I did say "I'm sorry you haven't had more luck"...
> If Diane D. is blocked, then I think she deserves the same treatment as Nikki, and I would like to ask if she wants to, if she would be allowed back, since she has already "served" her suspension time.
It turns out she'd already emailed me, and I'd agreed to make it a week for her, too, but there may be a new development...
Bob
Posted by NikkiT2 on June 8, 2001, at 12:21:41
In reply to Re: Diane D banishment, posted by shelliR on June 1, 2001, at 14:26:25
I can assure you I was NOT invalidating her experiencews, I was simply putting MY experiences across. I was never personal or nasty, I simply spoke of my experiences.
> I just wanted to put in a few words in support of Diane D. I'm not sure if she was warned or actually blocked.
> In my (so very humble opinion, ha) their offenses were equal. Diane got messages from Nikki invalidating her experience with methadone. This is a pretty strong woman we are talking about, who was able to kick both heroin and then methadone addiction and seems to know her responses well. If she says methadone make her depressed and not high, I think we have every reason to believe her and not respond that methadone is a evil drug that should never ever be prescribed as an antidepressant. I am sad that after all she has gone through, her feelings again were invalidated by Nikki and others.
>
> On the other side, Nikki certainly did not deserve to get attacked for her vacation plans. They are totally her business. So Nikki gets a short suspension and support from Dr. Bob ("I don’t blame you for being outraged.")
>
> But Diane also did not deserve to be treated as if her experience and beliefs were not rational. Where was Diane’s support from Dr. Bob?; I believe she had a right to feel outraged also (and also not to attack because of it). If Diane D. is blocked, then I think she deserves the same treatment as Nikki, and I would like to ask if she wants to, if she would be allowed back, since she has already "served" her suspension time.
>
> I know Nikki's been around a very long time and Dr. Bob already said that does count in determining suspensions. Personally, I learned more of value from Diane's post about heroin and methadone addiction than I did from Nikki's vacation plans; I think that should count for something.
>
> Shelley
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 8, 2001, at 18:25:01
In reply to Re: Diane D banishment » shelliR, posted by NikkiT2 on June 8, 2001, at 12:21:41
> I can assure you I was NOT invalidating her experiencews...
Let's try to move on, OK? :-)
Bob
Posted by Elizabeth on June 14, 2001, at 23:39:29
In reply to Re: Diane D banishment, posted by shelliR on June 1, 2001, at 14:26:25
> This is a pretty strong woman we are talking about, who was able to kick both heroin and then methadone addiction and seems to know her responses well.
I think that people who've recovered from addictions don't get nearly enough credit from those who don't understand what it is to be addicted. Although I don't have first-hand experience, I do my best to be kind to addicts and ex-addicts, because I can imagine how awful it must be to be so demonised by society at large (even, too often, in treatment settings). The stigma of depression is more than enough for me to bear; the stigma of addiction would be many times worse. It seems that when addicts try to talk about the feelings that led them to take drugs in the first place, they are most often "confronted" with accusations ("you just want to get high") and insults. (As you can probably tell, I don't place much stock in "tough love" -- I have seen it backfire with tragic results.)
> Personally, I learned more of value from Diane's post about heroin and methadone addiction than I did from Nikki's vacation plans; I think that should count for something.
It counts for a lot, to me. Although I am interested in the pharmacology of addiction, the
greater part of what I know about addiction comes from listening to addicts talk about their experiences, not from pharmacology textbooks.-elizabeth
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