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Posted by Alii on May 16, 2001, at 9:35:15
Dr. Bob,
Thank you for your promptness in removing the elizabethneeds... posts. You run a tight board.
--Alii
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 16, 2001, at 22:51:32
In reply to Thank you., posted by Alii on May 16, 2001, at 9:35:15
> You run a tight board.
Sometimes these storms come through, and I feel like I need to batten down the hatches. It's hard to know how tight sometimes. Hopefully tight enough, but not too tight...
Bob
Posted by Fran10004 on May 17, 2001, at 5:40:55
In reply to Thank you., posted by Alii on May 16, 2001, at 9:35:15
> Dr. Bob,
>
> Thank you for your promptness in removing the elizabethneeds... posts. You run a tight board.
>
> --AliiI wouldn't agree. Has any one read the preamble to this site "This is a message board for mutual support and education. It focuses on medication-related issues. "
Considering the content of the posts on this board I don't think U. Chicago's attorney's would say this is a tight board. I'd think common sense would tell them to rewrite the header info to completely disclaim responsibility for a Department of Psychiatry Professor who chastises people who bite back when attached by narcotic advocates. Yes, the posts here discuss: how, when, where, how much, Mexico? Canada? I know your insurance carrier would be horrified. And rightly so. I wonder if anyone is actually motivated by the *science and medicine* discussed here.
What if everything here was posted on a board sponsored by U. Chicago's Chemistry Department, Pharmacology Dept, or Law School?? Do you think a tenured faculty member from those depts. would acknowledge the reasonableness of these narcotic posts and hold these posters to a lower standard of conduct simply because they keep coming back and posting? No, they would be thankfull they found the posts before the Professional Ethics board, FDA, DEA or FBI started sending warnings to your attorney. Or before peers saw the quality of their site. The Dr. was able to kill the free Rx pills promptly and professionally.
It is disturbing that in early 21st c. America, a reputable psychiatrist thinks the abusive, reactionary, domineering and defensive behavior of a few bipolar/manic-depressives (who can't be cured with meds) is culturally and socially acceptable!!! Let alone acceptable on a "MUTUAL SUPPORT"???? mental health page. Let's keep in mind that this is not a CNN board or an O'Reily factor board. The people who do seem to have a sense of culturally and socially appropriate behavior are forever giving disclaimers and apologies, tripping over themselves to mitigate attacks. These are the ones held to the cultural norm and if they don't grovel and submit when attacked they are kicked off.
The logic seems to be it is better to create a safe environment for the combative people because they will stay, i.e., it is better to have a small and very active (and demeaning) membership than to have a larger membership of people who are capable of respecting boundaries, and crossover only once and a while. Didn't James recently comment that he wished there were more people who do well and are still motivated to tell others this. Sincerely, James' motivation and loyalty to Dr. Bob are a god send. Others don't stay motivated and leave because it is not healthy to even read this board let alone to post and make yourself vulnerable to the "raging lunatics" who are waiting to find the next person to attack. And no they will never get it, they're never wrong, they never over react. They are the special ones and are obviously successful at getting others to accept and facilitate their nasty behavior. Unfortunately there are some incurable illnesses. I'm just amazed at why Dr. Bob would ever want someone like Elizabeth dominating the board and maintaining a tone and culture of hostile combativeness.This board did help a bit, but the hostility is infectious and toxic. Some of you may smile that another small brain can't handle it here. But there are supportive boards with nice people out there.
-Later
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 17, 2001, at 8:47:01
In reply to Re: Thank you., posted by Fran10004 on May 17, 2001, at 5:40:55
> Considering the content of the posts on this board I don't think U. Chicago's attorney's would say this is a tight board. I'd think common sense would tell them to rewrite the header info to completely disclaim responsibility...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#purpose
> I wonder if anyone is actually motivated by the *science and medicine* discussed here.
I like to think that at least some people are. :-)
> It is disturbing that in early 21st c. America, a reputable psychiatrist thinks the abusive, reactionary, domineering and defensive behavior of a few bipolar/manic-depressives (who can't be cured with meds) is culturally and socially acceptable!!!
> The logic seems to be it is better to create a safe environment for the combative people because they will stay
In fact, it's abusive, reactionary, and domineering behavior that I'm trying to control. And the logic is that it's better for everyone to create a safe environment.
> if they don't grovel and submit when attacked they are kicked off.
IMO, turning the other cheek isn't the same thing as submitting.
> Others don't stay motivated and leave because it is not healthy to even read this board let alone to post and make yourself vulnerable to the "raging lunatics" who are waiting to find the next person to attack. And no they will never get it, they're never wrong, they never over react.
> the hostility is infectious and toxic.
Right, those are the problems with incivility. And some people do take longer than others to get it.
Bob
Posted by JahL on May 17, 2001, at 14:41:05
In reply to Re: Thank you., posted by Fran10004 on May 17, 2001, at 5:40:55
> > bipolar/manic-depressives (who can't be cured with meds)
PROOF please.
> > The people who do seem to have a sense of culturally and socially appropriate behavior
As defined by whom? The govt, the reactionary right?
> >are forever giving disclaimers and apologies, tripping over themselves to mitigate attacks. These are the ones held to the cultural norm and if they don't grovel and submit when attacked they are kicked off.
Well we must be reading a different board. Seems to me it's the 'unconventional' posters who have to tread on eggshells round here so as not to invite another onslaught. For the life of me I cannot understand yr problem with people seeking relief for a cripplingly painful disease. There is a word for those who enjoy seeing others suffer...
It may have escaped your notice but many of the most productive & helpful posters rnd here have serious, TREATMENT RESISTANT DEPRESSION. We/they do not come here to be bombarded with yr 'culturally & socially appropriate norms'. We come to *discuss* *whatever* may provide relief. This is *our* business.
I also note that few, if any, of yr 'socially appropriate' allies ever contribute any technical expertise (not that I'm saying this is necessarily superior than support Dr Bob, but this brd wld be defunct w/o the resident expertise).
J.
Posted by JahL on May 17, 2001, at 14:56:27
In reply to Re: Miscreants?, posted by JahL on May 17, 2001, at 14:41:05
Also 'culturally & socially appropriate norms' cannot alter the fact that mood disorders & substance-abuse go hand-in-hand.
Therefore in the context of the former, the latter is a legimate topic for discussion.
Anyway, enough!
I'm walking away from this one.
j
Posted by Alii on May 17, 2001, at 21:15:08
In reply to Re: Miscreants? PS., posted by JahL on May 17, 2001, at 14:56:27
> Anyway, enough!
> I'm walking away from this one.
> j'Nuff said. :-) Thanks.
--Alii
Posted by Alii on May 17, 2001, at 21:39:04
In reply to Re: Thank you., posted by Fran10004 on May 17, 2001, at 5:40:55
> > >...thinks the abusive, reactionary, domineering and defensive behavior of a few bipolar/manic-depressives (who can't be cured with meds)is culturally and socially acceptable!!!< < <
Fran,
They could be space aliens as far as I'm concerned. People can disagree, strongly, and still maintain a civil tone.
I come here seeking information. I know that the information offered here isn't the gospel on how to treat depressive illnesses.
I guess I just wonder why people are so angry about this disagreement. Just because I've had horrible experiences with certain ADs doesn't mean that they won't be the right key to helping someone else's disease get better. I am too tired due to the current state of my depression right now to launch into why-can't-one-side-accept-that-another-side-does-something-differently debate so I will end this with: there are six billion people on this planet. there are six billion different ways of perceiving and doing things. Why is your way the only way for everyone?
--Alii
p.s. In the past few years that I've read this board I have seen a wide variety of opinions being offered. I happen to think Dr. Bob maintains a good board. I often do not agree with his warnings or banishments yet understand that without some order here no one could get help in the ensuing chaos.
This is the end of the thread.
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