Shown: posts 1 to 8 of 8. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Joy on January 17, 2001, at 19:57:01
Dr. Bob,
I think most all of us appreciate the work you do. We are not identified in our postings anyway, so it's not oa big deal if it's printed and it may help others. I am very proud of you, and this Board. I just needed to say that.
Joy
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2001, at 12:41:38
In reply to Re: We're being used as guinea pigs?? I support Dr Bob, posted by Joy on January 17, 2001, at 19:57:01
> I am very proud of you, and this Board. I just needed to say that.
Thanks for all your support. In retrospect, there probably was a better way to have done this. Well, live and learn...
Bob
Posted by mars on January 21, 2001, at 4:05:57
In reply to Re: I support Dr Bob, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2001, at 12:41:38
Just some thoughts ~
If someone is internet savvy and vigilant about security, s/he'll read the FAQ. I think it would be quite helpful if the privacy section and the copyright section were bumped up next to each other. I don't know about others, but I associate the two.
However, if someone is in a lot of pain, searching the internet for information and support, and if s/he isn't as aware of privacy issues, there's a greater likelihood that s/he might post...and then regret.
Part of it depends on how we are introduced to the site - whether we find a specific message through a search engine (as I did), or enter from the home page. (1)The links beside the submit button are awfully tiny. (2)The home page could use a link to the FAQ as well. (3)I don't think a brief statement about whose property posts become, in *bold* and in strategic positions, would be too difficult to add, but I'm not maintaining these pages and could be way off base.
I think this board is terrific, both because of the fine people who post and the way Dr. Bob moderates the boards. While I don't know much about Dr. Hsiung, my general impression is that he's pretty thoughtful and sympathetic, for a psychiatrist :)
My attitude about the article is that it all depends on how he writes about his subject(s), the tone he takes. If he writes about people like us who are dealing with serious mental health issues as if we're "guinea pigs", depriving us of our dignity, I'll be upset, and will simply leave. If he writes about us respectfully and sympathetically, as the human beings we are, I'll be fine about continuing on this board. I'm inclined at this point to think that I'll find the latter when I finally read that darned article :)
I think the use of posts is a major issue for all of us in communities such as this, both for those of us who post and the doctors and therapists who provide a framework and moderation. I read PB and PSB for a week or two before posting and clearly understood that Dr. Hsiung could use my posts - but I never would have expected that screen names might be used. I have made some (I hope) relatively minor gaffes, but I'm trying to learn the style here. I've been on the 'net for nearly a decade. I've been burned a few times, and I keep trying to remember, "Think Before You Post."
I hope that a lot of good will come out of this. Sorry this has become so long, but because of past experiences, I think I understand a bit how upset Anna has been, and I've been brooding about this a lot.
Best to all,
mary
p.s. I had three generations of guinea pigs when I was a kid. I loved them dearly.
> > I am very proud of you, and this Board. I just needed to say that.
>
> Thanks for all your support. In retrospect, there probably was a better way to have done this. Well, live and learn...
>
> Bob
Posted by shellie on January 21, 2001, at 10:28:07
In reply to two cents worth (and a bit too long), posted by mars on January 21, 2001, at 4:05:57
Mary, I think that was an excellent post. It stated your position clearly, but it also allowed for others' opinions and reactions. I don't think that people have been necessarily fair to the people who have been shocked because they did not realize that they could be quoted. And it doesn't come down to two sides: (1) those who love and appreciate Dr. Bob no matter what he does vs (2): non-appreciative, selfish or stupid people who don't love and appreciate what Dr. Bob provides for us.
I think you especially made a good point about waiting and seeing how Dr. Bob portrays posters in his article (and I'm glad you are assuming the best); you also share my surprise that "real" screen names have been used. Because anonymity is always the standard for research, I believe that our screen names should be treated as any other name; the implication from some posters that we should have protected ourselves further because all info on the internet goes everywhere, unfairly shifts the burden of the precedent of anonymity on the subject, rather than on the writer. shellie
Posted by mars on January 21, 2001, at 12:27:39
In reply to Re: two cents worth » mars, posted by shellie on January 21, 2001, at 10:28:07
Shellie, thanks for your response. Your post actually pointed out some things I hadn't realized I wanted to say, and you state the issues about using screen names more cogently that I could have. After I hit the submit button I worried that my post might have been somewhat out of line since I'm so new here - not really part of the "we" yet. (I'd certainly like to hang around here for awhile, as you can probably tell =;) Since I had been hurt by a similar experience somewhere else, though, I hoped my perspective might be of some use.
It's also nice to think I composed something clear. It only took me an hour or so :)
cheers,
mary
Posted by Rzip on January 21, 2001, at 22:28:04
In reply to Re: I support Dr Bob, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2001, at 12:41:38
> Thanks for all your support. In retrospect, there probably was a better way to have done this. Well, live and learn...Shouldn't support be judged by the rate of activity (noticeably diminished in this case) on either PSB or PB-Administration? - Rzip
Posted by anna78 on January 23, 2001, at 14:14:15
In reply to Re: I support Dr Bob, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2001, at 12:41:38
I guess this is the closest thing we're going to get from Bob in regards to an explanation or an apology..... "...Better way to have done this"!?? Umm, yeah. Ask permission next time. Don't make assumptions that everyone will just be happy to see their name or words in print. And please, for god's sake, don't print usernames as this article did (even if unintentionally).. that part really sucked..
Was this a University of Chicago-sanctioned piece of work? will you let us know what the IRB says after-the-fact....?
don't get me wrong, I've benefited from the good doc's work here too, but I didn't think my words might be studied or used as a teaching example. What if that screenshot that showed Vesper's name had shown my real username that I use elsewhere on the Net, and somebody whom I didn't want connected the two together?? that would be really harmful to me..
How hard would it be to add a checkbox or something that allows individual posters to say, 'yeah, go ahead and use my posts for whatever you want' versus those of us who are wary of any other use than to get advice here?
Posted by Rzip on January 23, 2001, at 14:27:14
In reply to Re: I support Dr Bob, posted by anna78 on January 23, 2001, at 14:14:15
> How hard would it be to add a checkbox or something that allows individual posters to say, 'yeah, go ahead and use my posts for whatever you want' versus those of us who are wary of any other use than to get advice here?That's actually a very good idea. Most people would check the box out of gratitude.
More importantly, implied consent would be established somewhat. No one really knows what Dr. Bob's planning to do in the future, so the consent can never be truely based on full understanding.
- Rzip
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