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Posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 1:24:19
Dear Dr. Bob,
Can you please, please remove the post by mr.man concerning the suicide site- it's 1/5 early morning. Thank you.
Posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 1:28:48
In reply to suicide site, posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 1:24:19
sorry- it is on psycho-social babble, I'm shaking.
Posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 10:17:28
In reply to Re: suicide site, posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 1:28:48
Judy,
Would you be willing to say a bit more about your reaction to the suicide site posting? Are you concerned about your own safety, ie, that having a place to learn about will enable you to do it?
Or is it more an issue about others here, who have talked about suicidal feelings?
This topic has come up before, and I've never been truly clear about why people might not want that information posted. Everyone knows about ways to commit suicide already. If someone is determined, the site won't make a difference.
If this is too upsetting, please forgive me for asking for more info. You certainly don't have any obligation to me to delve into a painful topic.
Take care,
Shar
Posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 10:52:55
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more?, posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 10:17:28
I'm sorry Shar- did I over react to the post? Maybe I am projecting my feelings on others, I worry that having someone say that to do this is okay, and sometimes that's all a person who is undecided needs; kind of like the anti- Metanoia (sp?) site. I've just been there too many times, and lost my father to suicide. I think I was triggered and I apologize- Judy
Posted by Cam W. on January 5, 2001, at 11:11:13
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more? » shar, posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 10:52:55
Judy - I too, was offended by the post and did e-mail Dr.Bob to see if he would remove it. I don't think that a link like that has any place on a supportive site.
Shar - The reason for my reaction is that I feel that even if we are not contemplating suicide, just planting the idea, to let it ruminate, is not necessary. I find it akin to posting links to porn sites. It has no place here. I'm not sure if I answered your query, but it does make me feel uncomfortable. Maybe I shouldn't have e-mailed Dr.B with this, but it was a gut reaction, done on the spur of the moment. This is just my opinion and does not reflect the views of anyone else, so maybe I shouldn't endorse censorship, but I do find it a reflection of what is wrong with the world today.
Sincerely - Cam
Posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 11:15:19
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more? Shar and Judy » judy1, posted by Cam W. on January 5, 2001, at 11:11:13
Thank you- Judy
Posted by Ted on January 5, 2001, at 11:30:37
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more?, posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 10:17:28
Shar,
Here is the problem: most suicides are unsuccessful the first time. Giving ideas to make it successful has no place on a support group where far too many of us would not be here if we had read that information days, weeks, months, or years, ago. I won't say I am offended, but I feel there this is no place for such information. When I was hospitalized, anytime any mention of methods (not threats, just discussion of methods) was made, those doing the speaking were immediately sent to their rooms and lectured. It *is* a serious issue.
Ted
> Judy,
>
> Would you be willing to say a bit more about your reaction to the suicide site posting? Are you concerned about your own safety, ie, that having a place to learn about will enable you to do it?
>
> Or is it more an issue about others here, who have talked about suicidal feelings?
>
> This topic has come up before, and I've never been truly clear about why people might not want that information posted. Everyone knows about ways to commit suicide already. If someone is determined, the site won't make a difference.
>
> If this is too upsetting, please forgive me for asking for more info. You certainly don't have any obligation to me to delve into a painful topic.
>
> Take care,
> Shar
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2001, at 13:09:10
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more?, posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 10:17:28
> > Can you please, please remove the post by mr.man concerning the suicide site
> This topic has come up before, and I've never been truly clear about why people might not want that information posted. Everyone knows about ways to commit suicide already. If someone is determined, the site won't make a difference.
First, thank you, everyone, for responding to that post here rather than there. That's what this board is for, plus, because of the timing, that thread was archived -- and stayed archived.
This has in fact come up before, though more directly (some methods were actually posted here then):
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000926/msgs/45406.html
I think my position is still that this is a site for support, and posting methods -- or, in this case, links to methods -- isn't supportive.
If everyone knows methods already, posting them is unnecessary. If someone is determined, posting them won't make a difference, but if someone is undecided, it might.
I'd like for there to be as much freedom to post as possible, so feel free to try to change my mind, but I do think that in some circumstances I need to draw a line.
Bob
Posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 14:08:27
In reply to Re: suicide site, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2001, at 13:09:10
Thank you very much, Dr. Bob. For me, the critical part of your message was "if someone is undecided, it might (make a difference)." That is why my pdoc got a call from me at 2am, and that is why I reacted the way I did.
Take care, Judy
Posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 19:11:24
In reply to Re: suicide site--Can you say more? » shar, posted by judy1 on January 5, 2001, at 10:52:55
Judy,
I did not mean to imply you overreacted. Not at all. I was just asking for your thoughts about it. Only because your message was brief, and I wanted to have a better understanding of what your thinking was on the issue.You answered my question, and I am so sorry that you lost your dad to suicide. I can see why you would find that post upsetting.
Shar
Posted by shar on January 5, 2001, at 19:16:37
In reply to Re: suicide site, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2001, at 13:09:10
Thanks for the information ya'll have given. I understand the perspective much better now. And, I agree that such a site has no place on a board dedicated to supporting people through hard times (or regular times, even).
Appreciate it--
Shar
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