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Posted by SLS on September 12, 2016, at 15:21:45
In reply to Re: Psycho-Kitten Chrome extension, posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2016, at 14:53:09
Hi Tabitha.
Very amusing.
:-)
I am going to turn on my Babblemail.
If you are interested in having an off-board correspondence, I would be very happy to do so. If you want, you can turn your Babblemail on and send a single message to me in order to initiate a correspondence. You can then turn Babblemail off immediately afterwards.
Here is the page where you can set your Babblemail options.
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/settings.pl
Sincerely,
Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
I do not agree that the generic response to trolls applies here, on a mental health forum which was designed to attract new members via direct linking to Google.
Psychobabble is an exceptional case. A sociopath here is like a fox in the henhouse. I have seen the result of that specific example, and not only is it not pretty, it is not something to be simply ignored. That doesn't fix the chickens.
I have no idea why Bob allowed a sociopathic religious bigot to escape any reasonable limits on his posting, via the imposition of rules of "civility". (I don't think Bob has a clue what that is, thus the quotation marks.)
Not feeding the troll does not fix the troll problem. It does not protect the vulnerable newcomer seeking insight, knowledge, and support. It is analogous to the ostrich sticking its head in the sand. Nothing changes, you just decide not to see it. Unfortunately, despite the humourous result, the Fluffy Program hides the reality of Lou's antisocial posts only on your own computer. It doesn't change the public record, but instead, it only changes your personal one. Unless the program is offered in the registration process, of what use is it to any but the few of us that know of its existence?
I happen to agree with everything linkadge said. When you have a cancer, the solution is to cut it out. That has not happened here, and is not likely to happen, either.
I have tried returning to this site a number of times, hoping to provide support, but I cannot do it. I cannot tolerate this abusive Pilderbeast called Lou.
I cannot tolerate the idea of a medical professional, sworn to do no harm, abdicating his responsibility to us all. We do not need to be Dr. Bob's patients for that principle to apply, IMHO.
I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.
Lar
Posted by Tabitha on September 12, 2016, at 23:54:50
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
> Unfortunately, despite the humourous result,
Thank you :-)
> the Fluffy Program hides the reality of Lou's antisocial posts only on your own computer. It doesn't change the public record, but instead, it only changes your personal one.
Right. If I had access to the site operation I'd just drop the ban-hammer.
> Unless the program is offered in the registration process, of what use is it to any but the few of us that know of its existence?
Personally it gives me better tolerance for the subject lines and posts. All those words about anti-Semitism, murder, hate, the biblical references and all, are more emotionally loaded than I realized until they were changed into nonsense.
> I have tried returning to this site a number of times, hoping to provide support, but I cannot do it. I cannot tolerate this abusive Pilderbeast called Lou.
>
> I cannot tolerate the idea of a medical professional, sworn to do no harm, abdicating his responsibility to us all. We do not need to be Dr. Bob's patients for that principle to apply, IMHO.
>
> I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.Aww, shoot. I hoped you'd stick around for a while. But, of course, I support you in doing what you need to do. Take care, man!
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 0:04:50
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
Many trolls are sociopaths or psychopaths, Larry. They fit into a character type known as the "dark tetrad":
1. Socioapthy or psychopathy
2. Narcissism
3. Machiavellianism
4. SadismOne of the best strategies for addressing a troll with this dark tetrad is to ignore him - as easy as it seems.
Yes, Larry, Lou Pilder is a special case. His dark tetrad is built on top of his other mental illnesses.
As we have seen through the years, trolls will not curb their behaviors when other posters remain compelled to interact with them.
> I just can't be here. I care too much. And I wish you all the best.
Linkadge has begun a new site that you might find more to your liking:
http://newbabble.freeforums.net/
Goodbye, Larry. I wish you nothing but health and happiness.
- Scott
Posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 10:10:05
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
I remember when I first came here back in 2000-2001, you, Larry, were writing many detailed posts on alternative treatments for depression and anxiety. Because I have always been interested in trying to treat myself using non-pharmceucial methods, I found your writing most helpful and illuminating. You have always written with great clarity and empathy, and I have always appreciated that. Thanks.
Glad to hear that you are "shifting to reinvention" (hey, 30%-70% functional is something I rarely achieve, though aspire to it everyday!)
All the best on both your literal (sounds like you are flying on planes a lot) and figurative journeys!
Chris
Posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time. » Larry Hoover, posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 10:10:05
Look, if everyone here who knows how hateful and intentionally destructive this guy is just ignores him and refuses to give him the time of day, maybe we could get him off our oollective backs.
It's pretty damn simple:
We all know what he's trying to say, we all know that he's outrageous and will stop at more or less nothing. He wants attention -- and he's honed his skill at getting it over decades-- literally. And for god's sake-- he is has a very serious and clearly untreatable mental illness about which we can do nothing. Why are we treating him as if he doesn't? As if he's going to come to his senses? as if he's going to be reasonable, or be quiet, if only we say the right words?
And by all means, let's give up this hopeless attempt to protect newcomers. Those attempts are fodder for his hate-machine.
But MAYBE if we ignore him--they'll see that he's irrelevant and not the point. If we don't fall prey to his manipulations, maybe they won't either.
I personally find him boring, tedious and a waste of time. My feeling when I see yet another post is-- been there, done that. Why would I bother reading what he has to say? Enough already.
Posted by Chris O on September 13, 2016, at 12:59:49
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
Yes.
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 13:19:14
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
Yes. Yes.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2016, at 14:49:21
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
> Look, if everyone here who knows how hateful and intentionally destructive this guy is just ignores him and refuses to give him the time of day, maybe we could get him off our oollective backs.
>
> It's pretty damn simple:
>
> We all know what he's trying to say, we all know that he's outrageous and will stop at more or less nothing. He wants attention -- and he's honed his skill at getting it over decades-- literally. And for god's sake-- he is has a very serious and clearly untreatable mental illness about which we can do nothing. Why are we treating him as if he doesn't? As if he's going to come to his senses? as if he's going to be reasonable, or be quiet, if only we say the right words?
>
> And by all means, let's give up this hopeless attempt to protect newcomers. Those attempts are fodder for his hate-machine.
>
> But MAYBE if we ignore him--they'll see that he's irrelevant and not the point. If we don't fall prey to his manipulations, maybe they won't either.
>
> I personally find him boring, tedious and a waste of time. My feeling when I see yet another post is-- been there, done that. Why would I bother reading what he has to say? Enough already.
>
> Friends,
The poster writes that I am hateful and intentionally destructive and unreasonable and says that I have a hate machine and manipulate here.
This is all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive and will be good for this community as a whole so he thinks.
What the poster has said about me can decrease the respect , regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings toward me.
The tactic of {Ad hominem} is allowed here by Hsiung which goes to show the academic farce here as he states that the forum is for education.
But to allow an Ad Hominem fallacy to remain as supportive turns my stomach as a teacher to see another teacher saying that it will be good for his community as a whole to allow it.
You see, Ad Hominem means {against the man}. The poster's argument is against me, not what I have been posting here because that is not specified. The poster says that all here know what he (me) is trying to say. But because he/she does not state what that is, the focus of the argument is against the man, not what is at issue here. That fallacy can seriously mislead you to hate me and is a tactic used here that has that potential and Hsiung allows it.
The real issue is why I am here. I am here to seek the lost sheep of the House of Israel. You see, as long as the Jews are allowed to be defamed by Mr. Hsiung here, the lost sheep could not respond to my call. They will follow the shepherd of hate as hate is being promoted here by creating and developing hatred toward me and the Jews. This is what I have to stop so that the lost sheep can hear a different voice and return to the green fields that they used to know.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on September 13, 2016, at 18:50:50
In reply to Lou's response-lost sheep of the house of israel » Pontormo, posted by Lou Pilder on September 13, 2016, at 14:49:21
http://newbabble.freeforums.net/
- moderated (trolls are easily blocked)
- can post as a 'guest' or 'member'
- features like avatars, polls, messaging
- posts appear immediately
- similar structure as psychobabbleLinkadge
Posted by baseball55 on September 13, 2016, at 19:03:32
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Larry Hoover on September 12, 2016, at 23:29:59
The problem of Lou scaring away newcomers can be addressed simply by responding to their posts and telling them, gently, that there are problem posters on the forum that they can safely ignore, as others on the forum do.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2016, at 8:03:32
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by baseball55 on September 13, 2016, at 19:03:32
> The problem of Lou scaring away newcomers can be addressed simply by responding to their posts and telling them, gently, that there are problem posters on the forum that they can safely ignore, as others on the forum do.
Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster here is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to openly slander me and stigmatize me. This tactic is part of the playbook to arouse anti-Semitic feelings by allowing others to say that the Jew, myself in this community, will bring harm to people. This type of hate coupled with the hatred of the Jews in other posts allowed by Hsiung teaches others to hate by that his goal is for support and education. To stigmatize a person is not supportive and education is not hate being allowed to be seen as civil by Hsiung.
The poster does not specify that what I post to anyone here is true support and education. Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me but allows posters to post anti-Semitic propaganda and this poster's post reeks of the stench of hatred toward the Jews and Hsiung allows it.
Friends, go not the way of the slanderer. This poster telling you that others have to be warned of me is a tragic misrepresentation of the goals of this forum. This could seriously mislead you to your deaths. For the fact that a psychiatrist here allows the defamation of me here to be seen as supportive, you could perceive Jews as enemies and harbor hate for then others also. This is nothing new by Hsiung, but an old tactic to arouse anti-Semitic feelings in a community. And I say with shame that others here are drawn into the vortex of hate that Hsiung is creating and developing toward the Jews here.
I say to you that want to be in concert with Mr. Hsiung, that it has been revealed to me that The House of the Lord is filled with Jews so if you conjoin yourself here with Jew-haters, you will not want to be there. And if you accept Hsiung allowing the statement that those that reject Jesus go to hell as being civil, then you accept to be in a community of hate.
Lou
Posted by Pontormo on September 14, 2016, at 8:14:28
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by baseball55 on September 13, 2016, at 19:03:32
Let me say why I disagree with this idea.
This seems harmless and even compassionate... maybe morally required... but... ...Let me say why I think it's not.
If some number of us could agree to pass over and to ignore posts about or to or by this guy, this pledge would have impact only if we upheld it without reserve. It has to be thorough-going. We can't delude ourselves about how easy it is to start some sort of exchange, to look into a post to oneself, or a series of escalating posts to someone else--and to be piqued, or appalled into response. And the cycle starts.
Once you decide to intervene to help a new poster even by" gently" informing them, you momentarily stimulate and thereby awaken the craving for attention. This to be honest is no favor even to the problem person.
This might seem a conundrum, except that newcomers are looking around-- they know when they've stepped on a hornet's nest, and when they're encountering helpful threads, and responsive, useful information. We can count on them in ways we've been afraid to, to find what's good and constructive here-- and to avoid what isn't. If they become regulars, or seem to need immediate help, we can communicate our pledge and its rationale to them by private message.
But if they get enmeshed with this spider's web-- and we fly to their rescue-- and immediately the web gets stickier and thicker in its tangles, have we really helped them?
They'll figure it out-- or if they don't, maybe they find this guy someone they want to engage with, as do a few others. If so, then so be it. If there are a few people here who want to converse with this guy, so be it. If we lose a few new posters-- so be it. It may be the price we pay--- but they may be lurking and testing us out. They;ll be back if we have something to offer them.
However---: any hope of quieting it and limiting this presence rests on just doing that very thing-- by not responding and therefore not stimulating his appetite.
Every so often, a bright line must be drawn, and much as I'm not a lover of bright lines, this may be one of them.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2016, at 9:06:44
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Pontormo on September 14, 2016, at 8:14:28
> Let me say why I disagree with this idea.
>
> This seems harmless and even compassionate... maybe morally required... but... ...Let me say why I think it's not.
>
> If some number of us could agree to pass over and to ignore posts about or to or by this guy, this pledge would have impact only if we upheld it without reserve. It has to be thorough-going. We can't delude ourselves about how easy it is to start some sort of exchange, to look into a post to oneself, or a series of escalating posts to someone else--and to be piqued, or appalled into response. And the cycle starts.
>
> Once you decide to intervene to help a new poster even by" gently" informing them, you momentarily stimulate and thereby awaken the craving for attention. This to be honest is no favor even to the problem person.
>
> This might seem a conundrum, except that newcomers are looking around-- they know when they've stepped on a hornet's nest, and when they're encountering helpful threads, and responsive, useful information. We can count on them in ways we've been afraid to, to find what's good and constructive here-- and to avoid what isn't. If they become regulars, or seem to need immediate help, we can communicate our pledge and its rationale to them by private message.
>
> But if they get enmeshed with this spider's web-- and we fly to their rescue-- and immediately the web gets stickier and thicker in its tangles, have we really helped them?
>
> They'll figure it out-- or if they don't, maybe they find this guy someone they want to engage with, as do a few others. If so, then so be it. If there are a few people here who want to converse with this guy, so be it. If we lose a few new posters-- so be it. It may be the price we pay--- but they may be lurking and testing us out. They;ll be back if we have something to offer them.
>
> However---: any hope of quieting it and limiting this presence rests on just doing that very thing-- by not responding and therefore not stimulating his appetite.
>
> Every so often, a bright line must be drawn, and much as I'm not a lover of bright lines, this may be one of them.
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster here advocates shunning me to readers and Mr. Hsiung allows that type of hate to be seen as supportive. That type of defamation misleads readers to think that I will cause harm to people and then must be silenced.
The attempt to silence the Jews is a tactic that is not new, a tactic that can arouse anti-Semitic feelings, and used in European Fascism to cause the deaths of 1 and 1/2 million Jewish children and millions of Jewish adults. You that want my voice stilled here are depriving others to hear what I could say that could save their lives, prevent addiction and life-ruining conditions. Their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on September 14, 2016, at 11:55:55
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Pontormo on September 14, 2016, at 8:14:28
> Let me say why I disagree with this idea.
>
> This seems harmless and even compassionate... maybe morally required... but... ...Let me say why I think it's not.
>I agree with Pontormo, for the reasons given, and more. I think it could be more off-putting to newcomers to have others immediately adding instructions and warnings on top of the strange posts. Some people may just want to ask a question or two, and have no plans of sticking around anyway. Let them draw their own conclusions.
Personally I'm more concerned with supporting the regulars and old-timers at this point anyway. I think it adds more stress to us to feel a need to intervene between Fluffy and newcomers on top of trying to manage our own reactions to his posts.
Posted by Tabitha on September 14, 2016, at 11:59:02
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is way past time., posted by Pontormo on September 13, 2016, at 12:52:58
Great post, really hits the nail on the head. Thank you!
> Look, if everyone here who knows how hateful and intentionally destructive this guy is just ignores him and refuses to give him the time of day, maybe we could get him off our oollective backs.
>
> It's pretty damn simple:
>
> We all know what he's trying to say, we all know that he's outrageous and will stop at more or less nothing. He wants attention -- and he's honed his skill at getting it over decades-- literally. And for god's sake-- he is has a very serious and clearly untreatable mental illness about which we can do nothing. Why are we treating him as if he doesn't? As if he's going to come to his senses? as if he's going to be reasonable, or be quiet, if only we say the right words?
>
> And by all means, let's give up this hopeless attempt to protect newcomers. Those attempts are fodder for his hate-machine.
>
> But MAYBE if we ignore him--they'll see that he's irrelevant and not the point. If we don't fall prey to his manipulations, maybe they won't either.
>
> I personally find him boring, tedious and a waste of time. My feeling when I see yet another post is-- been there, done that. Why would I bother reading what he has to say? Enough already.
>
>
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 12:00:42
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Pontormo on September 14, 2016, at 8:14:28
Thanks.
Makes sense.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 12:02:00
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Tabitha on September 14, 2016, at 11:55:55
Thanks to you and Pontormo for coming up with some sensible ideas.
- Scott
Posted by Chris O on September 14, 2016, at 13:27:09
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Tabitha on September 14, 2016, at 11:55:55
"Fluffy." I laughed out loud again.
Chris
Posted by baseball55 on September 14, 2016, at 20:16:14
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by Tabitha on September 14, 2016, at 11:55:55
Makes sense.
> > Let me say why I disagree with this idea.
> >
> > This seems harmless and even compassionate... maybe morally required... but... ...Let me say why I think it's not.
> >
>
> I agree with Pontormo, for the reasons given, and more. I think it could be more off-putting to newcomers to have others immediately adding instructions and warnings on top of the strange posts. Some people may just want to ask a question or two, and have no plans of sticking around anyway. Let them draw their own conclusions.
>
> Personally I'm more concerned with supporting the regulars and old-timers at this point anyway. I think it adds more stress to us to feel a need to intervene between Fluffy and newcomers on top of trying to manage our own reactions to his posts.
Posted by baseball55 on September 14, 2016, at 20:20:12
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by baseball55 on September 14, 2016, at 20:16:14
FYI. I have never, for years, opened a post by Lou or any post that seems to be a response to a post by Lou. It's such a waste of time. Only in the last couple of weeks, when this just took over the conversation, did I bother looking at some of the posts and i wish I hadn't.
I wish more people would realize the futility of getting in a tussle with Lou.
Posted by Tabitha on September 16, 2016, at 11:08:20
In reply to Re: Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by baseball55 on September 14, 2016, at 20:20:12
Has anyone tried the Notify Administrators button to report un-civil and off-topic posts? Perhaps it's being ignored at this point.
Posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 15:18:32
In reply to Re: use the Notify Administrators button?, posted by Tabitha on September 16, 2016, at 11:08:20
> Has anyone tried the Notify Administrators button to report un-civil and off-topic posts? Perhaps it's being ignored at this point.
I tried it a few times awhile ago with no results. Maybe you'll have better luck. Actually, with your writing talents, you might be able to convince the good doctor to reply to you.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2016, at 8:37:48
In reply to Our troll problem. It is about time., posted by SLS on September 9, 2016, at 16:29:29
> It is about time that the Psycho-Babble community as a whole treats Lou Pilder as nothing more than a troll and an irrelevant pest.
Please do not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2016, at 9:38:50
In reply to Please be civil. » SLS, posted by SLS on September 24, 2016, at 8:37:48
From the FAQ:
"Be aware that there may be posters who try to start arguments and upset people ("troll"). Of course, not everyone who starts an argument or upsets someone *intends* to do so. What can be done about those who do? It may be best just not to respond. If you do, please be civil. One possible response is to encourage others not to respond..."
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
I am not certain whether or not there are any "trolls" currently posting on Psycho-Babble. However the FAQ offers a strategy to deal with one. One of the suggestions offered is to encourage others not to respond to one.
- Scott
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