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Posted by jonhed on June 25, 2016, at 12:36:40
In reply to Lou's warning-the horrors of this site » g_g_g_unit, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 10:20:36
Lou pilder..
Now i'm disappointed in you.
Now you just write rude things, and i was just saying that you are here to help people?Can't you understand that people think they have somatic illnesses when they have anxiety and is worried about it?
Just as you thinks that mr hiusung is out to get you.
Non of the above is probably true.
You should know this Lou, cause you're a good guy deep down inside.You get delusions from menatl illness, i do all the time, because when i feel like i'm going to die, i can't make the connection between that and anxiety.
The brains defense mechanism is to dissociate and start thinking about other possibilities like a neurological disease.I am at the ER 2-5 times a month checking my heart because i'm sure i have an heart attack.
Turns out every time that it is anxiety, cause all the tests ALWAYS comes out fine.But anyway i go there 5 days later thinking the same thing.
It is anxiety and other mental illnesses, it's nothing to joke about.
It's EXACTLY the same thing with your delusions Lou.
You have to search your heart now and stop this, cause your soul is going to die because of all the worry in your heart.
Stop obsessing about jews and mr hiusung.. You know deep inside that it is just delusions.
Your a good guy Lou!
Posted by jonhed on June 25, 2016, at 12:40:48
In reply to Lou's warning-the horrors of this site » g_g_g_unit, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 10:20:36
The world is a scary place Lou, i know...
But let me help you, let me talk to you.
Completely without medications. I won't even mention them, cause i don't fancy them either.
Will you let me talk to you??I promise to not talk about chemicals, and you promise to not talk about mr hiusung and jews?
Write a post when you're ready.
I wanna get to know you! :-)
Peace and Love Lou!
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 25, 2016, at 14:27:51
In reply to Re: Update, posted by linkadge on June 25, 2016, at 11:35:42
i've been in horrible dysphoric states, to the point where i don't want to do anything, i have energy but i get a very unpleasant feeling when im doing something, like reading, or browsing the web, ill just go into a state where i'm irrtible, ill be in a room full of people watching a football game on sunday and my mood will shift into a extremely dyphoric mood, where i don't be around
the thing is im not depressed im just in a agitatged bad mood, and everything feels dreadful and on edge
ECT im not sure will help that, i do know it helps depression but not agitated moods, but hey it may work......
anxiety medications usally will help dyphoric moods, paticulary benzo's or lyrica
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 15:47:45
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-the horrors of this site, posted by jonhed on June 25, 2016, at 12:36:40
> Lou pilder..
> Now i'm disappointed in you.
> Now you just write rude things, and i was just saying that you are here to help people?
>
> Can't you understand that people think they have somatic illnesses when they have anxiety and is worried about it?
>
> Just as you thinks that mr hiusung is out to get you.
>
> Non of the above is probably true.
>
>
> You should know this Lou, cause you're a good guy deep down inside.
>
> You get delusions from menatl illness, i do all the time, because when i feel like i'm going to die, i can't make the connection between that and anxiety.
> The brains defense mechanism is to dissociate and start thinking about other possibilities like a neurological disease.
>
> I am at the ER 2-5 times a month checking my heart because i'm sure i have an heart attack.
> Turns out every time that it is anxiety, cause all the tests ALWAYS comes out fine.
>
> But anyway i go there 5 days later thinking the same thing.
>
> It is anxiety and other mental illnesses, it's nothing to joke about.
>
> It's EXACTLY the same thing with your delusions Lou.
>
> You have to search your heart now and stop this, cause your soul is going to die because of all the worry in your heart.
>
> Stop obsessing about jews and mr hiusung.. You know deep inside that it is just delusions.
>
> Your a good guy Lou!
>
> jonhed,
Let us look at this post:
http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
> Here we have anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be exempt from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy by him refusing to post his "Please be civil" tag line to it.There is much more to this, but by him saying that it will be good for him and his community as a whole as he thinks, for the hatred toward the Jews to remain and be exempt from his policy of enforcement, the poster is at liberty to post more hatred toward the Jews without being blocked. And it gets much worse for the Jews here as the effects of readers seeing that a psychiatrist is going out of his way to allow antisemitism to be exempt from his enforcement policy in his TOS, others could want to be in concert with Mr. Hsiung and also stoke the furnace of hate with him.
Lou
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 18:10:50
In reply to Lou's reply-the furnace of hate » jonhed, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 15:47:45
> > Lou pilder..
> > Now i'm disappointed in you.
> > Now you just write rude things, and i was just saying that you are here to help people?
> >
> > Can't you understand that people think they have somatic illnesses when they have anxiety and is worried about it?
> >
> > Just as you thinks that mr hiusung is out to get you.
> >
> > Non of the above is probably true.
> >
> >
> > You should know this Lou, cause you're a good guy deep down inside.
> >
> > You get delusions from menatl illness, i do all the time, because when i feel like i'm going to die, i can't make the connection between that and anxiety.
> > The brains defense mechanism is to dissociate and start thinking about other possibilities like a neurological disease.
> >
> > I am at the ER 2-5 times a month checking my heart because i'm sure i have an heart attack.
> > Turns out every time that it is anxiety, cause all the tests ALWAYS comes out fine.
> >
> > But anyway i go there 5 days later thinking the same thing.
> >
> > It is anxiety and other mental illnesses, it's nothing to joke about.
> >
> > It's EXACTLY the same thing with your delusions Lou.
> >
> > You have to search your heart now and stop this, cause your soul is going to die because of all the worry in your heart.
> >
> > Stop obsessing about jews and mr hiusung.. You know deep inside that it is just delusions.
> >
> > Your a good guy Lou!
> >
> > jonhed,
> Let us look at this post:
> http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
> > Here we have anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be exempt from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy by him refusing to post his "Please be civil" tag line to it.There is much more to this, but by him saying that it will be good for him and his community as a whole as he thinks, for the hatred toward the Jews to remain and be exempt from his policy of enforcement, the poster is at liberty to post more hatred toward the Jews without being blocked. And it gets much worse for the Jews here as the effects of readers seeing that a psychiatrist is going out of his way to allow antisemitism to be exempt from his enforcement policy in his TOS, others could want to be in concert with Mr. Hsiung and also stoke the furnace of hate with him.
> Lou
> >
> jonhed,
Now let us see that it could be shown that Mr. Hsiung has his intent on harming me here. He admits that what he is doing could cause me harm and is doing it anyway. Look at the bottom part of this post to see.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1082726.html
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 18:40:28
In reply to Lou's reply-malicious intent?, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 18:10:50
> > > Lou pilder..
> > > Now i'm disappointed in you.
> > > Now you just write rude things, and i was just saying that you are here to help people?
> > >
> > > Can't you understand that people think they have somatic illnesses when they have anxiety and is worried about it?
> > >
> > > Just as you thinks that mr hiusung is out to get you.
> > >
> > > Non of the above is probably true.
> > >
> > >
> > > You should know this Lou, cause you're a good guy deep down inside.
> > >
> > > You get delusions from menatl illness, i do all the time, because when i feel like i'm going to die, i can't make the connection between that and anxiety.
> > > The brains defense mechanism is to dissociate and start thinking about other possibilities like a neurological disease.
> > >
> > > I am at the ER 2-5 times a month checking my heart because i'm sure i have an heart attack.
> > > Turns out every time that it is anxiety, cause all the tests ALWAYS comes out fine.
> > >
> > > But anyway i go there 5 days later thinking the same thing.
> > >
> > > It is anxiety and other mental illnesses, it's nothing to joke about.
> > >
> > > It's EXACTLY the same thing with your delusions Lou.
> > >
> > > You have to search your heart now and stop this, cause your soul is going to die because of all the worry in your heart.
> > >
> > > Stop obsessing about jews and mr hiusung.. You know deep inside that it is just delusions.
> > >
> > > Your a good guy Lou!
> > >
> > > jonhed,
> > Let us look at this post:
> > http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
> > > Here we have anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be exempt from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy by him refusing to post his "Please be civil" tag line to it.There is much more to this, but by him saying that it will be good for him and his community as a whole as he thinks, for the hatred toward the Jews to remain and be exempt from his policy of enforcement, the poster is at liberty to post more hatred toward the Jews without being blocked. And it gets much worse for the Jews here as the effects of readers seeing that a psychiatrist is going out of his way to allow antisemitism to be exempt from his enforcement policy in his TOS, others could want to be in concert with Mr. Hsiung and also stoke the furnace of hate with him.
> > Lou
> > >
> > jonhed,
> Now let us see that it could be shown that Mr. Hsiung has his intent on harming me here. He admits that what he is doing could cause me harm and is doing it anyway. Look at the bottom part of this post to see.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1082726.html
> >
>
> Friends,
Linkage has responded to this post on the admin board...
Lou
Posted by rjlockhart37 on June 25, 2016, at 21:51:51
In reply to Lou's reply-malicious intent?, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 18:10:50
Thw Hsuing-Pilder discussion has came on the table, please state the nature of you intent Lou, reveal all things you havent told us, do NOT repeat things we already hear you say the time. The truth will set you free.....are you under some kind of discreet conspiracy with the Jews? and do you know that all these events have to take place just as in revleation in the bible says in the end times, christains, jews persecuted.....
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 25, 2016, at 23:35:03
In reply to Re: Update, posted by linkadge on June 25, 2016, at 11:35:42
Nope, never tried Lithium -- I'd be reluctant given its anti-thyroid and anti-dopaminergic properties (a lot of my symptoms overlap with hypothyroidism).I haven't tried Mirapex. Not really sure how many of my symptoms are even straight depression anymore.
Sleep patterns aren't great. Usually awake 2pm -- 4am. But I've been a night owl most of my adult life.
> Continuing with the ECT might be a reasonable option.
>
> I assume you've tried lithium - perhaps in combination with imipramine?
>
> Have you tried Mirapex? It has shown some promise for certain forms of resistant depression.
>
> How are your sleep patterns?
>
> Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 26, 2016, at 6:44:00
In reply to Re: lou lou lou, posted by rjlockhart37 on June 25, 2016, at 21:51:51
>are you under some kind of discreet conspiracy >with the Jews?
My whole argument RJ, is that we don't need to go there. This is a board focused on medications.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 26, 2016, at 6:51:05
In reply to Re: Update » linkadge, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 25, 2016, at 23:35:03
Lithium really isn't antidopaminergic as much as it is a dopamine system stabilizer.
I was resisting any form of bipolar diagnosis, but am quite pleased with how a low dose of lithium has improved my life. Lithium has been like a dimmer switch on a set of high intensity flood lights shining right at me.
Anyhow, you say your symptoms overlap with hypothyroidism. What have your top three symptoms been over the past 6 months?
I assume you have had your thyroid checked?
If there is any kind of bipolarity or cycling, then a mood stabilizer could bring relief.
Linkadge
Posted by jonhed on June 26, 2016, at 17:04:16
In reply to Lou's reply-the furnace of hate » jonhed, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2016, at 15:47:45
Okey, i'm willing to listen to you now when i see that this has been going on since 2004.
The thing is that i'm not that good at english but this is something i need to understand, cause i also think some things on this forum don't add up.
Will you email to me what you know, Lou?
If so, i will give my point of view for you to hear.I'm sincerely interested.
One thing i've noticed but never wanted to take up, cause i'm scared of being taken as psychotic and delusional, is that whenever i seek the internet for medications or diagnoses, 2-3 hours later there is a post about it on this site.
Am i interpreting it wrong or is this forum a test that was done in the mid 90s, to test the, then new, thing called ELIZA. A computer program that was built on an algoritm to sound like a human being and answer things correct.
At the time when ELIZA came, then there was a lot of people thinking that this could be the new thing in therapy as more and more people gets sick.
And if a computer could do the job instead of a person, then it would be more effective and could help more people.ELIZA didn't became a succes, but i have thinking about this for a long long time now, because some people here respond to things i just have googled, but not asked here..
I don't mean that it is ELIZA, but something like that.
That this is a test to se if it works.
I have critical thinking and i'm not psychotic, it's ruled out many times. But in some way, sometimes, i feel like this site is encouraging me to start taking medications, based on my google searches.
I can be wrong, and i can be dumb as f**k for wanting to discuss with Lou pilder, but i want to hear what he has to say.
Lou, will you write me a email and explain this site to me in the way that you feel that it is, and try to do it in an easy way so i understand?
If you say yes to this question, i will post my email on this site.
And for all the others here, i don't think that you are robots, but some things don't add up for me.
They just don't.And for Lou. If you are right, i will take back everything i've said.
And if you're wrong. Well then i don't think this community will accept me anymore, but that's a risk i will take.Cause i have a bad feeling about this and have had it since i started to post here.
Kind regards. J
Here an wikipedia link that explaining the phenomena with ELIZA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Posted by Phillipa on June 26, 2016, at 18:13:24
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-the furnace of hate, posted by jonhed on June 26, 2016, at 17:04:16
Jonhed do not post your email publicly here. There is a feature named babblemail. Sell how my name is Blue on my posts. My babblemail is turned on. You also can turn on your babblemail and post under your username. Go to where you registered and click on babble mail and you can receive a message from another. Test it and click on my name in blue and see a screen appear. Then test it by sending me a message. I will respond to you by my username. Safe way to communicate with someone in private. Phillipa
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 27, 2016, at 0:11:52
In reply to Re: Update, posted by linkadge on June 26, 2016, at 6:51:05
> Lithium really isn't antidopaminergic as much as it is a dopamine system stabilizer.
>
> I was resisting any form of bipolar diagnosis, but am quite pleased with how a low dose of lithium has improved my life. Lithium has been like a dimmer switch on a set of high intensity flood lights shining right at me.
>
>
>
> Anyhow, you say your symptoms overlap with hypothyroidism. What have your top three symptoms been over the past 6 months?Hmm, it's tough to narrow it down to three, but I would say:
Akathisia
Constant hunger and hypoglycemia attacks (I never feel 'full').
Feeling off balance when I walk
Inability to tolerate any kind of physical exertion (I 'crash' and experience dizziness, heart racing etc.)This is all superimposed over my regular anxiety and depression.
>
> I assume you have had your thyroid checked?Yes. My TSH is 3.3. I've read that may be high enough to cause symptoms. However, I couldn't tolerate thyroid replacement.
One doctor told me a virus (in the context of CFS) can knock out your thyroid, so I don't know if the problem is located elsewhere.
>
> If there is any kind of bipolarity or cycling, then a mood stabilizer could bring relief.
>
>
> Linkadge
>
>
>
>
Posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 6:58:08
In reply to Re: Update » linkadge, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 27, 2016, at 0:11:52
Hi.
In what ways did you find thyroid replacement to b
e intolerable?It can matter which type of thyroid hormone one uses:
T3 (Cytomel) made my depression very much worse. I think I might have been more anxious also, but I don't remember so clearly.
T4 (Synthroid) made my depression mildly better without any adverse effects.
3.3 mIU/L is high for TSH. You might not do well until it is brought down to between 0.5 and 1.5.
What is "replacement" as opposed to "augmentation"? The dosages of thyroid hormone used in depression as augmentation can be higher than those used to treat hypothyroidism. I think T3 was chosen first to be studied in depression, possibly because it is biologically more potent than T4. However, it would be a mistake to consider T3 to be simply a more potent version of T4. Being chosen first, T3 was extensively studied. T4 was mostly neglected, even though it can be very effective.
Combining a TCA (imipramine) with T3 was the treatment chosen to experiment with. SSRIs were not available at the time. Still, noradrenergic agents might be ideal to augment with thyroid. Desipramine can be a better choice than imipramine for producing NE reuptake inhibition, while thyroid makes NE receptors more sensitive. I imagine they would work synergistically. Desipramine is more selective than imipramine for NE and produces milder side effects, particularly those that are anticholinergic.
Another drug first studied for combination with TCA was lithium. If you are heading in the direction of trying a TCA, you can first add thyroid and then add low-dose (300-600 mg/day) lithium to be taken at the same time if you don't respond well enough to the thyroid (assuming that you can tolerate it).
- Scott
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 27, 2016, at 10:21:11
In reply to Re: Update » g_g_g_unit, posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 6:58:08
> Hi.
>
> In what ways did you find thyroid replacement to b
> e intolerable?
>
> It can matter which type of thyroid hormone one uses:
>
> T3 (Cytomel) made my depression very much worse. I think I might have been more anxious also, but I don't remember so clearly.
>
> T4 (Synthroid) made my depression mildly better without any adverse effects.I tried Cytomel and Dessicated Thyroid (T3 and T4).
Both felt like too much for my system and 'crashed' me, worsening my vertigo, fatigue etc. I have read that adequate cortisol levels are necessary to tolerate thyroid replacement. A saliva cortisol test revealed that mine were low. However, as I've said, it's difficult to know where the problem is stemming from. I would have thought that if it were straight depression, then Reboxetine and a couple of other antidepressants tried during this period would have not made me feel profoundly physically worse.
>
> 3.3 mIU/L is high for TSH. You might not do well until it is brought down to between 0.5 and 1.5.I agree but doctors seem to be less open-minded and go by the standard range (0.0-5.0) here.
I have read that in chronic-fatigue-like syndromes, the HPA switches off as an adaptive mechanism .. And that sufferers become far more sensitive to crashing from medication. I am really not trying to be difficult because I wish it were straight-up depression and that I could tolerate an AD. But I feel so physically unwell that that seems unrealistic.
Posted by Phillipa on June 27, 2016, at 11:39:29
In reply to Re: Update » SLS, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 27, 2016, at 10:21:11
ggg Unit that us the old range for TSH here. The range Scott gave is what USA endocrinologists use. And mine gets upset and changes doses if gets higher than 1.5 which it hasn't in years. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 13:57:40
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-the furnace of hate, posted by jonhed on June 26, 2016, at 17:04:16
> Okey, i'm willing to listen to you now when i see that this has been going on since 2004.
>
> The thing is that i'm not that good at english but this is something i need to understand, cause i also think some things on this forum don't add up.
>
> Will you email to me what you know, Lou?
> If so, i will give my point of view for you to hear.
>
> I'm sincerely interested.
>
> One thing i've noticed but never wanted to take up, cause i'm scared of being taken as psychotic and delusional, is that whenever i seek the internet for medications or diagnoses, 2-3 hours later there is a post about it on this site.
>
> Am i interpreting it wrong or is this forum a test that was done in the mid 90s, to test the, then new, thing called ELIZA. A computer program that was built on an algoritm to sound like a human being and answer things correct.
>
> At the time when ELIZA came, then there was a lot of people thinking that this could be the new thing in therapy as more and more people gets sick.
> And if a computer could do the job instead of a person, then it would be more effective and could help more people.
>
> ELIZA didn't became a succes, but i have thinking about this for a long long time now, because some people here respond to things i just have googled, but not asked here..
>
> I don't mean that it is ELIZA, but something like that.
>
> That this is a test to se if it works.
>
> I have critical thinking and i'm not psychotic, it's ruled out many times. But in some way, sometimes, i feel like this site is encouraging me to start taking medications, based on my google searches.
>
> I can be wrong, and i can be dumb as f**k for wanting to discuss with Lou pilder, but i want to hear what he has to say.
>
> Lou, will you write me a email and explain this site to me in the way that you feel that it is, and try to do it in an easy way so i understand?
>
>
> If you say yes to this question, i will post my email on this site.
>
>
> And for all the others here, i don't think that you are robots, but some things don't add up for me.
> They just don't.
>
>
>
> And for Lou. If you are right, i will take back everything i've said.
> And if you're wrong. Well then i don't think this community will accept me anymore, but that's a risk i will take.
>
> Cause i have a bad feeling about this and have had it since i started to post here.
>
> Kind regards. J
>
> Here an wikipedia link that explaining the phenomena with ELIZA:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
>
> jonhed,
This site is chaired by a psychiatrist that allows the promotion of drugs that could cause life-ruining conditions, addiction and death.
These drugs are not medicines because they do no treat a disease or cure. They are chemical {nerve agents} used in insecticides, poisons, {mind alteration} and in the production of plastics and dyes and propellants and explosives and in the commission of mass-murder. I have studied 5 classes, all that could have sorrowful results in humans. And the beat goes on....
Lou
>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 14:36:33
In reply to Lou's reply-the beat goes on » jonhed, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 13:57:40
> > Okey, i'm willing to listen to you now when i see that this has been going on since 2004.
> >
> > The thing is that i'm not that good at english but this is something i need to understand, cause i also think some things on this forum don't add up.
> >
> > Will you email to me what you know, Lou?
> > If so, i will give my point of view for you to hear.
> >
> > I'm sincerely interested.
> >
> > One thing i've noticed but never wanted to take up, cause i'm scared of being taken as psychotic and delusional, is that whenever i seek the internet for medications or diagnoses, 2-3 hours later there is a post about it on this site.
> >
> > Am i interpreting it wrong or is this forum a test that was done in the mid 90s, to test the, then new, thing called ELIZA. A computer program that was built on an algoritm to sound like a human being and answer things correct.
> >
> > At the time when ELIZA came, then there was a lot of people thinking that this could be the new thing in therapy as more and more people gets sick.
> > And if a computer could do the job instead of a person, then it would be more effective and could help more people.
> >
> > ELIZA didn't became a succes, but i have thinking about this for a long long time now, because some people here respond to things i just have googled, but not asked here..
> >
> > I don't mean that it is ELIZA, but something like that.
> >
> > That this is a test to se if it works.
> >
> > I have critical thinking and i'm not psychotic, it's ruled out many times. But in some way, sometimes, i feel like this site is encouraging me to start taking medications, based on my google searches.
> >
> > I can be wrong, and i can be dumb as f**k for wanting to discuss with Lou pilder, but i want to hear what he has to say.
> >
> > Lou, will you write me a email and explain this site to me in the way that you feel that it is, and try to do it in an easy way so i understand?
> >
> >
> > If you say yes to this question, i will post my email on this site.
> >
> >
> > And for all the others here, i don't think that you are robots, but some things don't add up for me.
> > They just don't.
> >
> >
> >
> > And for Lou. If you are right, i will take back everything i've said.
> > And if you're wrong. Well then i don't think this community will accept me anymore, but that's a risk i will take.
> >
> > Cause i have a bad feeling about this and have had it since i started to post here.
> >
> > Kind regards. J
> >
> > Here an wikipedia link that explaining the phenomena with ELIZA:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
> >
> > jonhed,
> This site is chaired by a psychiatrist that allows the promotion of drugs that could cause life-ruining conditions, addiction and death.
> These drugs are not medicines because they do no treat a disease or cure. They are chemical {nerve agents} used in insecticides, poisons, {mind alteration} and in the production of plastics and dyes and propellants and explosives and in the commission of mass-murder. I have studied 5 classes, all that could have sorrowful results in humans. And the beat goes on....
> Lou
> >
> > jonhed,
Mr. Hsiung has a band of posters that he allows to post anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me here. These posters carry out the promotion of mind-altering drugs polluted minds that cause disease, addiction and death. The mire and dirt brought into your body by the drugs creates a polluted mind. I have come her to have you cleansed from the filth of psychiatry from these drugs of death.
You can be cleansed by taking the Waters of Life freely. Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post about that here which could allow you to remain in your filth, and die in it. And in the encounter, the Rider said to me, "The day will come when the lost sheep that thirst to be cleansed will harken to you and in that day a fountain will be opened and they will be cleansed by the washing of the Word."
> Lou
Posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 17:28:11
In reply to Lou's reply-the filth of mind-altering drugs, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 14:36:33
Why don't more people simply ignore trolls rather than entertain them with replies? After all of this time, it should be obvious that the frequency with which a troll is replied to or challenged, the more he will post.
Please rewrite the subject line should it be hijacked so as to preserve the relevancy of this forum. I know this is a nuisance, but I think it is worth the extra effort.
- Scott
Posted by jonhed on June 27, 2016, at 17:48:35
In reply to Filthy posts., posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 17:28:11
Excuse me for not being as healthy as you and dumb enough to think that you could connect with Lou in some way.
Are people so ignorant that they can't read between the lines in my responses to Lou?
For making it more clear than it already is :
I'm trying to see if he can talk about other things.I't basic psychology..
And in this case it didn't work.
But it was worth a try.
Posted by Phillipa on June 27, 2016, at 18:24:36
In reply to Re: Filthy posts., posted by jonhed on June 27, 2016, at 17:48:35
Jonhed sincerely SLS is a great guy with his own psychiatric problems and does take medications. One of the strongest people here. One that should be taken seriously as he truly cares. Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on June 27, 2016, at 19:16:26
In reply to Filthy posts., posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 17:28:11
Lou apparently has been here for over a decade. I don't think ignoring him works. He beleives he is on a mission.
Linkadge
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 20:27:52
In reply to Lou's reply-the filth of mind-altering drugs, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2016, at 14:36:33
> > > Okey, i'm willing to listen to you now when i see that this has been going on since 2004.
> > >
> > > The thing is that i'm not that good at english but this is something i need to understand, cause i also think some things on this forum don't add up.
> > >
> > > Will you email to me what you know, Lou?
> > > If so, i will give my point of view for you to hear.
> > >
> > > I'm sincerely interested.
> > >
> > > One thing i've noticed but never wanted to take up, cause i'm scared of being taken as psychotic and delusional, is that whenever i seek the internet for medications or diagnoses, 2-3 hours later there is a post about it on this site.
> > >
> > > Am i interpreting it wrong or is this forum a test that was done in the mid 90s, to test the, then new, thing called ELIZA. A computer program that was built on an algoritm to sound like a human being and answer things correct.
> > >
> > > At the time when ELIZA came, then there was a lot of people thinking that this could be the new thing in therapy as more and more people gets sick.
> > > And if a computer could do the job instead of a person, then it would be more effective and could help more people.
> > >
> > > ELIZA didn't became a succes, but i have thinking about this for a long long time now, because some people here respond to things i just have googled, but not asked here..
> > >
> > > I don't mean that it is ELIZA, but something like that.
> > >
> > > That this is a test to se if it works.
> > >
> > > I have critical thinking and i'm not psychotic, it's ruled out many times. But in some way, sometimes, i feel like this site is encouraging me to start taking medications, based on my google searches.
> > >
> > > I can be wrong, and i can be dumb as f**k for wanting to discuss with Lou pilder, but i want to hear what he has to say.
> > >
> > > Lou, will you write me a email and explain this site to me in the way that you feel that it is, and try to do it in an easy way so i understand?
> > >
> > >
> > > If you say yes to this question, i will post my email on this site.
> > >
> > >
> > > And for all the others here, i don't think that you are robots, but some things don't add up for me.
> > > They just don't.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And for Lou. If you are right, i will take back everything i've said.
> > > And if you're wrong. Well then i don't think this community will accept me anymore, but that's a risk i will take.
> > >
> > > Cause i have a bad feeling about this and have had it since i started to post here.
> > >
> > > Kind regards. J
> > >
> > > Here an wikipedia link that explaining the phenomena with ELIZA:
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
> > >
> > > jonhed,
> > This site is chaired by a psychiatrist that allows the promotion of drugs that could cause life-ruining conditions, addiction and death.
> > These drugs are not medicines because they do no treat a disease or cure. They are chemical {nerve agents} used in insecticides, poisons, {mind alteration} and in the production of plastics and dyes and propellants and explosives and in the commission of mass-murder. I have studied 5 classes, all that could have sorrowful results in humans. And the beat goes on....
> > Lou
> > >
> > > jonhed,
> Mr. Hsiung has a band of posters that he allows to post anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me here. These posters carry out the promotion of mind-altering drugs polluted minds that cause disease, addiction and death. The mire and dirt brought into your body by the drugs creates a polluted mind. I have come her to have you cleansed from the filth of psychiatry from these drugs of death.
> You can be cleansed by taking the Waters of Life freely. Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post about that here which could allow you to remain in your filth, and die in it. And in the encounter, the Rider said to me, "The day will come when the lost sheep that thirst to be cleansed will harken to you and in that day a fountain will be opened and they will be cleansed by the washing of the Word."
> > Lou
>
> jonhed,
There is cleansing of the poisons that the psychiatrist has given you. And then healing comes to restore you to where you once belonged.
For you see, I was there in The Garden, in the green fields where the crystal river runs. And I saw a Rider on a white horse in the midst of the garden. I ran to Him and asked where he came from. He said to me, "Let not your heart
be troubled. If you believe in God, believe in me also. For with you is the fountain of life and I will lead you to fountains of living water where all tears will be wiped away from your eyes. For whoever drinks of the water that I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water that I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
Lou
Posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 21:34:36
In reply to Re: Filthy posts., posted by linkadge on June 27, 2016, at 19:16:26
> Lou apparently has been here for over a decade. I don't think ignoring him works. He beleives he is on a mission.
>
> Linkadge
I have witnessed quite the opposite.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 27, 2016, at 21:58:18
In reply to Re: Filthy posts., posted by jonhed on June 27, 2016, at 17:48:35
> Excuse me for not being as healthy as you and dumb enough to think that you could connect with Lou in some way.
>
> Are people so ignorant that they can't read between the lines in my responses to Lou?
>
> For making it more clear than it already is :
> I'm trying to see if he can talk about other things.
>
> I't basic psychology..
>
> And in this case it didn't work.
>
> But it was worth a try.
You are but one of many.You are not somehow special in wanting to communicate with Lou Pilder.
I don't blame you for being both empathetic and noble. I don't blame you for anything. However, I think you will come to see what those that came before you have.
Removing Lou Pilder's name from the subject line when you reply to him is of paramount importance. Just look at the ugliness of the board as it exists. It looks like cancer. It dissuades people from choosing to post on Psycho-Babble if it appears that it is dedicated to issues surrounding Lou Pilder. It's basic psychology.
Lou Pilder is a disgusting little troll.
"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."
"Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it,[citation needed] because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls"."
Wikipedia
Why don't you support me by chastising Lou Pilder when he posts uncivil and untrue things about me? Think about it.
- Scott
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