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Posted by Lou Pilder on February 4, 2016, at 14:57:29
In reply to Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 14:45:45
> So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
>
> I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.
>
> L,
I have my Withdrawal-O-Meter and I am using it here in your case. The results will take a while so I will get back to you. In my preliminary loading of your data, a warning did flash. I will have a better result later...
Lou
Posted by SLS on February 4, 2016, at 16:11:56
In reply to Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 14:45:45
> So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
>
> I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.Why not add the CBD first?
You could then take your time tapering the APs and possibly avoid a withdrawal psychosis. Also, just in case the CBD is ineffective, and you begin to relapse as you gradually taper the APs, you could simply return to the effective dosages and not suffer a severe or protracted psychosis.
I don't know.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:19:33
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace? » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on February 4, 2016, at 16:11:56
> > So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
> >
> > I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.
>
> Why not add the CBD first?
>
> You could then take your time tapering the APs and possibly avoid a withdrawal psychosis. Also, just in case the CBD is ineffective, and you begin to relapse as you gradually taper the APs, you could simply return to the effective dosages and not suffer a severe or protracted psychosis.
>
> I don't know.
>
>
> - ScottYes i will add it and then see where it goes. If i am too knocked out by my evening dose of Seroquel, i will lower this first as Cannabidiol inhibits Cyp3a4, the enzyme that breaks down Seroquel.
I guess i could be inpatient when i get on the cannabidiol.
Lets say Cannabidiol works 100% for psychosis and my only concern is Tardive Dyskinesia that could result from a too quick reduction in Antipsychotics. I dont want to overwhelm my body with the task to adjust to the lower dosage although CBD covers psychosis 100%.
Every how many weeks can i reduce Zyprexa by 2.5mg OR Seroquel by 100mg.
Do you understand what i am trying to ask? Jeez there are moments when you realize that english is a little harder than you thought it is:)
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:24:55
In reply to Lou's Withdrawal-O-Meter » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on February 4, 2016, at 14:57:29
Another attempt at english:
If psychosis was not an issue. How quickly could i reduce the APs without having the risk of involuntary movements, TD and stuff like that?
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:28:58
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:19:33
Sorry for the subject line. I am learning:)
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:29:40
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:28:58
Posted by SLS on February 4, 2016, at 16:42:47
In reply to sorry for subject line (nm), posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:29:40
Posted by SLS on February 4, 2016, at 16:48:15
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:19:33
> Yes i will add it and then see where it goes. If i am too knocked out by my evening dose of Seroquel, i will lower this first as Cannabidiol inhibits Cyp3a4, the enzyme that breaks down Seroquel.
That's great information.
> Do you understand what i am trying to ask?
Totally.
You have a good handle on things. I know that patience can be a real pain in the butt. I speak from experience. I have made more than one mistake due to a lack of patience. It is hard.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 17:04:16
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace? » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on February 4, 2016, at 16:48:15
yeah patience needs to practiced
Posted by Zyprexa on February 5, 2016, at 1:25:28
In reply to Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 14:45:45
Don't go too quickly. Do a slow tapper over, Couple months atleast. Play it by ear, don't go quicker than you feel your mind can take.
I tried to just stop the meds and take lots of CBD, all in and for one day. That didn't work well for my mind. But was still better than no meds.
Posted by Zyprexa on February 5, 2016, at 1:33:14
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 16:19:33
Id say every 1-2 weeks. But at the end of a 2 week period do a mental check. See if you feel stable, then reduce again. I lean towards 2 weeks for you.
Posted by Zyprexa on February 5, 2016, at 1:38:22
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2016, at 17:04:16
At each decrease. Take 1/5 more of CBD.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2016, at 7:56:55
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Zyprexa on February 5, 2016, at 1:33:14
Zyprexa i will be taking up to 100 times more CBD than you do;) IE: 1500mg daily.
I dont think you can compare that. 15mg is not much.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2016, at 8:02:42
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Zyprexa on February 5, 2016, at 1:33:14
2 weeks at the least sounds reasonable. I will try to apply some patience. I will ask my dr the same question in regard to tardive dyskinesia and co. He seems knowledgeable.
I hope i will come out of the AP use healthily.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2016, at 12:57:44
In reply to Lou's Withdrawal-O-Meter » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on February 4, 2016, at 14:57:29
> > So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
> >
> > I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.
> >
> > L,
> I have my Withdrawal-O-Meter and I am using it here in your case. The results will take a while so I will get back to you. In my preliminary loading of your data, a warning did flash. I will have a better result later...
> Lou
>
> L,
The readings are coming from my meter but slowly as your situation is in a critical position that could lead to you to kill yourself and/or commit mass-murder.
This is all because of the mixture of the drugs that you take that is different than withdrawing from just one drug because combining the drugs increases things exponentially and in withdrawal, more violent reactions could happen to you.
Another aspect that could lead you to kill yourself is that there is an addictive aspect to the drugs that you take now that causes a serious complication for those attempting to withdrawal from these drugs that becomes compounded by that the heart becomes involved could be sensitive to the variation of effects to the heart from those drugs. And worse, a serious movement disorder could arise as the imbalance created by manipulating the drugs could cause the nerves involved to be so disrupted as to manifest in a serious dysfunction of the entire nervous system that could show as more than just the movement disorder, but also disrupt the nervous functions of sleep and digestion and brain function to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others.
The drugs have put you in this realm and when taken away, the whole self can react violently.
If you are in a place where you could secure guns, you need to be taken out of that place. If you do not have anyone to help you, you may not be able to overcome the urges to kill yourself and/or others.
You see, even if you do a so-called taper, the drug is still in your system. Now let us reason together. If you went to a doctor with 3erd degree burns from the sun, would it make any sense to be told to go out in the sun each day and a little bit less each day to cure your sunburn?
more....Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2016, at 9:01:35
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2016, at 8:02:42
Accident in paradise:
The extract i ordered ha 0.29 % THC and 5 % CBD.
I couldnt drive a car due to prohibition. CBD without THC is very expensive due to prohibition.
Insurance doesnt pay CBD due to prohibition (and idiotism).
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2016, at 18:29:43
In reply to Lou's Withdrawal-O-Meter-severe warning-, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2016, at 12:57:44
> > > So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
> > >
> > > I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.
> > >
> > > L,
> > I have my Withdrawal-O-Meter and I am using it here in your case. The results will take a while so I will get back to you. In my preliminary loading of your data, a warning did flash. I will have a better result later...
> > Lou
> >
> > L,
> The readings are coming from my meter but slowly as your situation is in a critical position that could lead to you to kill yourself and/or commit mass-murder.
> This is all because of the mixture of the drugs that you take that is different than withdrawing from just one drug because combining the drugs increases things exponentially and in withdrawal, more violent reactions could happen to you.
> Another aspect that could lead you to kill yourself is that there is an addictive aspect to the drugs that you take now that causes a serious complication for those attempting to withdrawal from these drugs that becomes compounded by that the heart becomes involved could be sensitive to the variation of effects to the heart from those drugs. And worse, a serious movement disorder could arise as the imbalance created by manipulating the drugs could cause the nerves involved to be so disrupted as to manifest in a serious dysfunction of the entire nervous system that could show as more than just the movement disorder, but also disrupt the nervous functions of sleep and digestion and brain function to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others.
> The drugs have put you in this realm and when taken away, the whole self can react violently.
> If you are in a place where you could secure guns, you need to be taken out of that place. If you do not have anyone to help you, you may not be able to overcome the urges to kill yourself and/or others.
> You see, even if you do a so-called taper, the drug is still in your system. Now let us reason together. If you went to a doctor with 3erd degree burns from the sun, would it make any sense to be told to go out in the sun each day and a little bit less each day to cure your sunburn?
> more....Lou
>
Friends,
Be advised that I am here to save your life or the life of your child as this site could seriously mislead you to kill your self or children to kill their own parents or commit mass-murder. This is all because you could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung and those in concert with him and any deputy of record to believe that these drugs being promoted here as medicines are safer than they really are because Mr. Hsiung claims that what is seen here is supportive and worse, if there is something not supportive and he allows it, then he is doing so because he thinks that by allowing it, it will be good for his community as a whole. And even worse, he asks that you trust him in what he is doing here and is doing the Golden Rule. That turns my stomach to see you being blindly led to accept what could cause the death of innocent people and children to be accepted on those grounds and people are accepting it here and being addicted and killed by the drugs being allowed to be promoted as medicines all in direct disregard of the rules of the FDA for promoting drugs even if Mr. Hsiung is allowed to be immune from those rules.
But it is even worse as more and more people come here looking to be free from addiction and depression and they could be made worse as others are allowed to advocate to take more drugs.
You see, these drugs attack your reasoning powers in your brain so that you can become dehumanized and see people not as humans but as clay targets which could induce a mind-set to kill yourself and or others and commit mass-murder. This is even worse as that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post from a Jewish perspective that I think could show you the way out of the slavery that these drugs can put you in which can keep you shackled to the drugs and addict you and when you try to stop them, a worse state of mind could take over and people kill themselves and others in the withdrawal realm that the drugs can put you in. For it is in withdrawal that many kill others and themselves in.
Here is a video showing what can happen to a young person that is drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist. They see people as clay targets to kill and then kill themselves at the end at the same time. Ten there are still pictures in the second URL showing the dead shooters. 12 were killed.
You here that want to promote these drugs, those killed by them could have their blood upon you. And worse, I am prevented by Mr. Hsung to post here as to how you could escape the damnation of hell.
Lou
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=582_1454202537
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=83d_1354576238
Posted by Zyprexa on February 7, 2016, at 2:53:44
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2016, at 9:01:35
What country do you live in? Why can't you drive a car if you take CBD? What is the accident? I think small amounts of THC, are natural in your body. Very small and won't show up on drug test. You could always take a drug test, to find out? Supposidly Hemp contains enough THC, that you would have to smoke a telaphone pole sized joint to get enough THC to get high.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2016, at 4:20:13
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace? » Lamdage22, posted by Zyprexa on February 7, 2016, at 2:53:44
If you have more than 1ng/ml THC in your blood, you will fail the drug test. 30ml with 0,29% THC is 0,087 ml THC.
I think thats enough to fail
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2016, at 4:32:06
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2016, at 4:20:13
Germany
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 7, 2016, at 6:47:07
In reply to Lou's Withdrawal-O-Meter-their blood be upon you, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2016, at 18:29:43
> > > > So in theory, CBD will make seroquel and zyprexa obsolete.
> > > >
> > > > I want to avoid TD and other risks that can arise from too quick discontinuation. Yet i want to know if Cannabidiol works.
> > > >
> > > > L,
> > > I have my Withdrawal-O-Meter and I am using it here in your case. The results will take a while so I will get back to you. In my preliminary loading of your data, a warning did flash. I will have a better result later...
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > L,
> > The readings are coming from my meter but slowly as your situation is in a critical position that could lead to you to kill yourself and/or commit mass-murder.
> > This is all because of the mixture of the drugs that you take that is different than withdrawing from just one drug because combining the drugs increases things exponentially and in withdrawal, more violent reactions could happen to you.
> > Another aspect that could lead you to kill yourself is that there is an addictive aspect to the drugs that you take now that causes a serious complication for those attempting to withdrawal from these drugs that becomes compounded by that the heart becomes involved could be sensitive to the variation of effects to the heart from those drugs. And worse, a serious movement disorder could arise as the imbalance created by manipulating the drugs could cause the nerves involved to be so disrupted as to manifest in a serious dysfunction of the entire nervous system that could show as more than just the movement disorder, but also disrupt the nervous functions of sleep and digestion and brain function to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others.
> > The drugs have put you in this realm and when taken away, the whole self can react violently.
> > If you are in a place where you could secure guns, you need to be taken out of that place. If you do not have anyone to help you, you may not be able to overcome the urges to kill yourself and/or others.
> > You see, even if you do a so-called taper, the drug is still in your system. Now let us reason together. If you went to a doctor with 3erd degree burns from the sun, would it make any sense to be told to go out in the sun each day and a little bit less each day to cure your sunburn?
> > more....Lou
> >
> Friends,
> Be advised that I am here to save your life or the life of your child as this site could seriously mislead you to kill your self or children to kill their own parents or commit mass-murder. This is all because you could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung and those in concert with him and any deputy of record to believe that these drugs being promoted here as medicines are safer than they really are because Mr. Hsiung claims that what is seen here is supportive and worse, if there is something not supportive and he allows it, then he is doing so because he thinks that by allowing it, it will be good for his community as a whole. And even worse, he asks that you trust him in what he is doing here and is doing the Golden Rule. That turns my stomach to see you being blindly led to accept what could cause the death of innocent people and children to be accepted on those grounds and people are accepting it here and being addicted and killed by the drugs being allowed to be promoted as medicines all in direct disregard of the rules of the FDA for promoting drugs even if Mr. Hsiung is allowed to be immune from those rules.
> But it is even worse as more and more people come here looking to be free from addiction and depression and they could be made worse as others are allowed to advocate to take more drugs.
> You see, these drugs attack your reasoning powers in your brain so that you can become dehumanized and see people not as humans but as clay targets which could induce a mind-set to kill yourself and or others and commit mass-murder. This is even worse as that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to post from a Jewish perspective that I think could show you the way out of the slavery that these drugs can put you in which can keep you shackled to the drugs and addict you and when you try to stop them, a worse state of mind could take over and people kill themselves and others in the withdrawal realm that the drugs can put you in. For it is in withdrawal that many kill others and themselves in.
> Here is a video showing what can happen to a young person that is drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist. They see people as clay targets to kill and then kill themselves at the end at the same time. Ten there are still pictures in the second URL showing the dead shooters. 12 were killed.
> You here that want to promote these drugs, those killed by them could have their blood upon you. And worse, I am prevented by Mr. Hsung to post here as to how you could escape the damnation of hell.
> Lou
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=582_1454202537
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=83d_1354576238
> ate
> Hey you,
You who want to advocate psychiatric drugs. Thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs. And more are maimed with life-ruining conditions and addiction and there are the innocent murdered by those taking these drugs promoted here as being supportive, all against the rules of the FDA which allows these drugs to be seen as being safer than they really are. This distorts the reality of the effects that the drugs could have and can seriously mislead readers here to their deaths.
You who want to advocate these drugs are not authorities and if you pretend that you know what drug and at what dose that someone could have to relieve them of their anxiety or depression or correct their sleep or make them have their addiction released, then let us look at what doctors that study the effects of these drugs say along with what you post here as being supportive.
You see, these drugs are made so that they are chemically constructed so that
they pass into the brain quickly. But once in the brain, they disturb the transmission of signals within the brain that short out the emotional aspect of your being to render you dehumanized so that feelings and emotions of life can be taken away by the drug transforming you into an animal that does not respect other humans so that The Golden Rule is not according to Judaism, but to the perverted mind. This could cause murder to be seen by the drugger as like just killing an insect, not another human being and their life does not matter. This is why some druggers kill their own parents and commit mass-murder. The empathy for other humans is taken away by the drugs.
Now let us look at a video from a doctor researching these drugs as to how they can transform you into a murderer. And when you understand what the doctor is saying, then when you read what the promoters of these drugs post here, ask yourself where they get their authority to tell you to take a particular drug at some dosage leading you to think that they have the truth to lead you out of withdrawal or depression or restore you sleep function that the drugs have impaired. Those posters have their reward and many here will flock to them thinking that their promoting of a drug to them will help them. But is that really true? If a drug hits this receptor or that receptor and stops or starts whatever, so what? What else does it do to the brain? They leave that part out which could cost you your life and that is why the FDA has rules when a drug is promoted, so that readers could know the whole truth, not just someone's degenerated thinking, so that they are not deceived.
Here I am prevented from posting The Great Deception due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which he prohibits me to post here. This could create and develop ant-Semitic hatred toward me here so that you discard what I post as that I could be stigmatized, and Judaism itself could be rejected as ant-Semitic propaganda is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive by him here. This prevents me from posting what I think could save your lives. Your blood will not be upon me.
Let us see here.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBq-5zXsAU8
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2016, at 3:38:20
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2016, at 4:32:06
No i cant drive because of THC. Its too much.
Posted by Zyprexa on February 8, 2016, at 7:00:11
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2016, at 3:38:20
Did you get the CBD already? Are you taking it now? I had a little effect from it at first that I felt debilitated a slight bit, almost like I smoked pot. But that went away after a week or so. Its also why I only take it in the evening.
The website I got the CBD is Lucky Vitamin here in the USA. http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-737668-cannavest-pluscbd-oil-green-total-plant-complex-10-grams
If you are in Germany you will have to replace the .com with a .us
If you are taking it already. How is it going???
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2016, at 7:16:32
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2016, at 3:38:20
I will have to wait until March tenth.
The pure CBD from the pharmacy is prescription only.
I will get almost 19% off. No taxes for medical expenses.
Since i am driving i cant take the .29% thc stuff.
Posted by SLS on February 8, 2016, at 7:24:53
In reply to Re: Discontinuing Seroquel + Zyprexa. What pace?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2016, at 7:16:32
> I will have to wait until March tenth.
>
> The pure CBD from the pharmacy is prescription only.
>
> I will get almost 19% off. No taxes for medical expenses.
>
> Since i am driving i cant take the .29% thc stuff.Good luck with the pure CBD.
- Scott
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