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Posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:57:29
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by phidippus on February 6, 2014, at 18:50:28
I want everyone to know what I experienced was real. I want them to know the reason why I parked my car on the side of the interstate and jumped in front of a big truck going 70 MPH.
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2014, at 19:24:34
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » phidippus, posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:57:29
It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. It appears to me that everyone is trying to help you, Poser. The thing is, each of us has a different way of doing this. I am not Phiddipus and Phiddipus is not me. However, I am certain that we both want to see you feel well.
I am listening to you.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2014, at 19:41:47
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » SLS, posted by Bob on February 6, 2014, at 14:04:09
> > Any nausea?
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> > Have you ever tried nortriptyline (Pamelor) or mirtazapine (Remeron)?> Scott... are you saying that nortriptyline and mirtazapine are particularly well suited for treating autonomic dysregulation?
I'm not really sure. :-(
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2014, at 19:46:55
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » Phillipa, posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:36:03
Poser I do want to help. I may not have the psychiatric knowledge to do so but I can emotionally support you. As I do care. Please stick around. I have no idea what a diagnosis or treatment is for you. But keep trying. I've seen you this way before and you have rallied back. Routing for you. Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on February 6, 2014, at 21:29:04
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » phidippus, posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:57:29
Whether it was real or not isn't important. What matters most is that you move forward and continue to try and treat your illness.
Eric
Posted by baseball55 on February 6, 2014, at 23:01:33
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:15:00
> But see, this is why I keep replying. I want to feel more suicidal. I want to have the motivation to follow through with it. Me hearing more and more misunderstanding from people, helps increase my suicidal thoughts. Some time ago I figured I would have followed through with it by now. But, I'm still here!
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> Write some more back to me, Eric.This is a very disturbing post. So the more people respond and fail to completely validate your perception, the more you become depressed and want to commit suicide? And you keep posting to elicit what you see as unhelpful responses to make yourself more depressed so as to increase your motivation to commit suicide?
Well, I, for one, opt out of this game. If you want to commit suicide, I can't stop you and I hope, for your sake, that you don't make this decision. But I'm certainly not going to participate in a conversation in which you perceive yourself as constantly misunderstood and driven by others' misunderstanding to commit suicide.
Posted by SLS on February 7, 2014, at 5:56:11
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by baseball55 on February 6, 2014, at 23:01:33
> > But see, this is why I keep replying. I want to feel more suicidal. I want to have the motivation to follow through with it. Me hearing more and more misunderstanding from people, helps increase my suicidal thoughts. Some time ago I figured I would have followed through with it by now. But, I'm still here!
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> > Write some more back to me, Eric.
> This is a very disturbing post. So the more people respond and fail to completely validate your perception, the more you become depressed and want to commit suicide? And you keep posting to elicit what you see as unhelpful responses to make yourself more depressed so as to increase your motivation to commit suicide?
>
> Well, I, for one, opt out of this game. If you want to commit suicide, I can't stop you and I hope, for your sake, that you don't make this decision. But I'm certainly not going to participate in a conversation in which you perceive yourself as constantly misunderstood and driven by others' misunderstanding to commit suicide.It is hard for me to know what is best for Poser. I think he is frustrated, demoralized, tired, weak, and getting desperate. I remember being in a similar place myself. I don't completely understand the dynamics, but I wanted to blame the world (all of existence; God) for my unrelenting pain. I wanted the pain to end. Suicide might be one way to accomplish this. It felt good to consider the relief that suicide would bring. However, I didn't want to be responsible for pushing myself over the edge so as to actually do it. I wanted to be pushed by someone else so that I don't take the blame. Perhaps I wanted to hurt someone else - maybe even God - because I was hurt by the world (God). It was not fair to be born this way. I wanted everyone else to pay for my misery.
I guess one could look at what Poser is doing as playing a game of sorts. I see it as being a call for help. He might want us to know that he is nearing the precipice. He doesn't know what else to do. Actually, he did verbalize an intention to keep fighting. Poser can't help himself but to keep trying. Poser is a survivor. In his mind, this could be a blessing and a curse.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2014, at 18:47:42
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » baseball55, posted by SLS on February 7, 2014, at 5:56:11
Scott I agree and do hope Poser is reading your post. If so Poser you can do it I know you can. And you can't anger me. I will sit with you if needed. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 8, 2014, at 7:33:15
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » phidippus, posted by poser938 on February 6, 2014, at 18:57:29
So, Poser, what's the deal?
Are you okay?
- Scott
Posted by AlexanderS on February 8, 2014, at 11:37:37
In reply to Wrong about mental illness., posted by phidippus on January 31, 2014, at 17:57:50
testing
Posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 11:39:31
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by SLS on February 8, 2014, at 7:33:15
> So, Poser, what's the deal?
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> Are you okay?
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> - ScottYeah Scott, I'm fine. These mental health sites just aren't for me. I'm just in a situation that the majority on sites like Babble can't relate to. Its like trying to describe ice cream to someone who has never eaten ice cream before.
And it just pains me to see people who think they have certain areas of psychiatry, and how these meds affect people figured out.
When they really do not.
I'm not trying to be rude. I just want Mental Health Care to be better for everyone. It would be amazing if millions demanded more from Psychiatry, in the same way they do our elected leaders. Instead of being complacent about it all, and turning a blind eye when someone does step forward to reveal the hell Psychiatry has caused them. All this has to do more with making money, than it does about Science.
And many feel informed enough, without actually being informed. They feel so informed that they feel they can tell me I'm wrong about my experiences.
No one had EVER questioned y descriptions of my experiences in life, until I stepped into the corrupt work of Psychiatry. Psychiatry corrupts minds, it leads so many innocent, sick people in the wrong direction. People such as Eric. He's well versed in nothing more than more than WebMD. I know this because of personal experience, not because of anything I've read.
Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher. Luke 6:39-40
You're catching on, Scott. But as long as this we give praise tonthose who are wrong about the topic they give their 2 cents about, we will continue to just be fighting roadblocks that prevent people from getting the help they need.
I won't even be reading any replies to this post. I'm done with Babble. I do hope everyone on this site finds the relief they need. And thank you Phillipa for your impartial, objective words. I really appreciated them.
Anyway,it snowed like 7 inches here, so, I'm going to play in the snow!
Posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 12:15:41
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 11:39:31
Also, I would love to see Dr. Bob use this image for this image at the top of Psychobabble. It a drawing depicting the metaphor " the blind leading the blind.". Not to criticize anyone in a rude way, but in an instructive way., and to encourage people to open their eyes. To fully educate themselves. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. And passing on this little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. The more knowledge Babblers have, the better.,
I hope this link works on regular computers, since I'm on a mobile device. But if not, it is the picture from the Wikipedia page "the blind leading the blind"
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2014, at 19:58:10
In reply to Dr Bob, posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 12:15:41
Poser sorry to see you leave. Anything I can do to help? Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on February 13, 2014, at 22:34:24
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 11:39:31
>These mental health sites just aren't for me.
No, they are not. People with real illnesses post to this board.
>I'm just in a situation that the majority on sites like Babble can't relate to.
No one can relate to a factitious disorder that can be quantified.
>They feel so informed that they feel they can tell me I'm wrong about my experiences.
You're not wrong about your experiences, they just make no sense to us.
>Psychiatry corrupts minds, it leads so many innocent, sick people in the wrong direction.
I'd be in a state institution without psychiatry. You see, psychiatry is a whole made up of parts. Not every one of those parts, or individual psychiatrists has all the answers and some psychiatrists may be dead wrong. That does not mean everyone's experience with psychiatry is as harrowing as yours. I'm deeply sorry you took a bunch of pills and they caused damage to your brain. I hope you get that function back.
>People such as Eric. He's well versed in nothing more than more than WebMD.
You got me. Ow, the burn.
Eric
ps. you have factitious disorder
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2014, at 13:45:27
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 11:39:31
> it leads so many innocent, sick people in the wrong direction. People such as Eric.
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that?
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce--
> These mental health sites just aren't for me. I'm just in a situation that the majority on sites like Babble can't relate to.
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> And it just pains me to see people who think they have certain areas of psychiatry, and how these meds affect people figured out.
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> When they really do not.
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> as long as this we give praise tonthose who are wrong about the topic they give their 2 cents about, we will continue to just be fighting roadblocks that prevent people from getting the help they need.
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> thank you Phillipa for your impartial, objective words. I really appreciated them.I'm glad you feel supported by Phillipa. Maybe you feel others have been roadblocks. Instead of fighting them, could you drive around them? Don't even open their posts.
You could also spell out what sort of posts you'd find supportive. Then others would know how (and how not) to reply to you.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2014, at 13:48:00
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by phidippus on February 13, 2014, at 22:34:24
> > These mental health sites just aren't for me.
>
> No, they are not. People with real illnesses post to this board.Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that?
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce--
> > They feel so informed that they feel they can tell me I'm wrong about my experiences.
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> You're not wrong about your experiences, they just make no sense to us.
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> ps. you have factitious disorder1. They make no sense to you, or they do make sense to you if you see him as having factitious disorder?
2. If someone did have factitious disorder, how could you support them?
Bob
Posted by phidippus on February 14, 2014, at 14:20:36
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » phidippus, posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2014, at 13:48:00
>1. They make no sense to you, or they do make sense to you if you see him as having factitious disorder?
The latter.
>2. If someone did have factitious disorder, how could you support them?
I would first tell them they have a factitious disorder.
Eric
Posted by phinxeezaDr on February 14, 2014, at 17:26:25
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by phidippus on February 5, 2014, at 18:28:31
> Dude, you're bipolar. Read my reply to your other post. You need a mood stabilizer.
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> And, by the way, Cyproheptadine blocks dopamine receptors.
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> Ericseems to be alot of I wanna be a doctors in here. See your doctor and take THEIR advice. Or get another doctor. The help and advice on here is good, but when it comes to prescription 'guesses' take them whith a pinch of salt. kinda funny, but dead serious too. Patients are not doctors, nor should they try to be.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2014, at 23:02:45
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » phidippus, posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2014, at 13:48:00
> could you please rephrase that?
Since you didn't, I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceBob
Posted by SLS on February 16, 2014, at 9:18:07
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post), posted by poser938 on February 13, 2014, at 11:39:31
Poser,
I refuse to condemn all of psychiatry. I have seen too many people have their depression vanish and allow them to be reborn into the world of the living. I have seen too many people have their psychotic mania extinguished. I have seen too many people relieved of their schizoid thought disorganization and paranoia. I have seen too many people with ADD regain their cognitive ability to focus and return to a life of achievement. I have seen too many people with OCD become able to exit the bathroom and go to work by suppressing compulsive hand-washing. I have seen too many people become employable by removing their paralyzing anxiety.
Clearly, some people experience negative reactions to psychotropic drugs, some of which persist beyond the discontinuation of the offending drug. I don't think psychiatry has yet fully explored nor appreciated the scope, severity, and persistence of adverse psychiatric side effects of psychotropic medications. It took quite awhile for psychiatry to recognize and accept the observation that antidepressants can actually exacerbate depression.
What are some of the side effects of those drugs used to treat cancer? They are not minor. Why are the standards of acceptability of side effects so different between cancer and psychiatric illnesses?
Some people are unwilling to wait until age 92 for the perfect treatments for mental illness to come along. I decided to begin treatment at age 22 while I still had my whole life ahead of me. Were it not for the error in judgment of several doctors, I would probably have remained well beginning at age 27. Now THAT is a bitter pill to swallow.
- Scott
Posted by Bob on February 16, 2014, at 14:02:15
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by SLS on February 16, 2014, at 9:18:07
> Poser,
>
> I refuse to condemn all of psychiatry. I have seen too many people have their depression vanish and allow them to be reborn into the world of the living. I have seen too many people have their psychotic mania extinguished. I have seen too many people relieved of their schizoid thought disorganization and paranoia. I have seen too many people with ADD regain their cognitive ability to focus and return to a life of achievement. I have seen too many people with OCD become able to exit the bathroom and go to work by suppressing compulsive hand-washing. I have seen too many people become employable by removing their paralyzing anxiety.
>
> Clearly, some people experience negative reactions to psychotropic drugs, some of which persist beyond the discontinuation of the offending drug. I don't think psychiatry has yet fully explored nor appreciated the scope, severity, and persistence of adverse psychiatric side effects of psychotropic medications. It took quite awhile for psychiatry to recognize and accept the observation that antidepressants can actually exacerbate depression.
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> What are some of the side effects of those drugs used to treat cancer? They are not minor. Why are the standards of acceptability of side effects so different between cancer and psychiatric illnesses?
>
> Some people are unwilling to wait until age 92 for the perfect treatments for mental illness to come along. I decided to begin treatment at age 22 while I still had my whole life ahead of me. Were it not for the error in judgment of several doctors, I would probably have remained well beginning at age 27. Now THAT is a bitter pill to swallow.
>
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> - Scott
Scott,As usual your post sparks curiosity in me. How have you had the chance to witness all the examples of people getting better in the multiple examples you cited? Did you work in the psych/med field in the past? Or maybe currently?
I agree that the field of psychiatry hasn't fully appreciated the full scope of possible side-effects or reactions possible to the medicines. One thing in this area which hasn't made much progress in my opinion is the deep struggling and difficulty some people have with withdrawal.
I think there are differing standards for acceptability concerning cancer drugs merely because the disease and side-effects are much more 'physically' oriented and are much more visible. There isn't the vagueness of confusing things with behavior and the perceived link between various forms of cancer and the possibility of relatively swift death is a sobering aspect. People don't really lend a lot of credence to the chance of death as an outcome. Even when it does occur it often manifests in the form of suicide and leads people to say that the victim merely made a choice and could just as easily have chosen otherwise. Few people think you can escape cancer with willpower and behavior modification... plenty believe that for mental/neurological problems.
You mentioned an error in judgement by your doctors that hampered your getting better back when you were 22. What was that, and are you saying you never got as well as could have been or would you say you're back on course these days?
-Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2014, at 20:58:06
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by SLS on February 16, 2014, at 9:18:07
Scott so are you saying if you hadn't listened to a psychiatrist you would be well today? I don't get it? PJ
Posted by poser938 on February 17, 2014, at 3:49:33
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » poser938, posted by Dr. Bob on February 14, 2014, at 13:45:27
I apologize Eric. I stepped over the line there. I understand we're all doing our best to give good advice on this site, and I shouldn't have used the words that I used.
Posted by poser938 on February 17, 2014, at 4:17:05
In reply to Re: Scott (pretty long post) » poser938, posted by SLS on February 16, 2014, at 9:18:07
There are too many fundamentals that are wrong, that are keeping many away from the appropriate treatment for their situation.
I have no problem with people getting psychiatric treatment with medications. But what I do have a problem with, an we all should, is not having fully informed consent to receive Psychiatric care with medications. Not all of the effects these meds have on someone are listed, nor is it listed that they can persistent for end indefinite amount of time after discontinuing the Med. One of the most common complaints i've read about is the permanent sexual dysfunction. It can range from that to a permanently altered mood.
And there hasn't really been any push to clear up the misconception that these medications "fix a chemical imbalance" or "regulate your neurotransmitters back to normal". That is simply not the case. These meds are much more likely to *cause* a chemical imbalance , in much the same way Cocaine does, than to fix one (if there is one). If it were to fix a chemical imbalance, then that would be akin to a one in a million chance of being in The right place at the right time. But yes, this chemical imbalance that meds such as Prozac cause an indeed be beneficial, as shown by the experiences you've mentioned. And this is great if this effect can be sustained long-term, without eventually causing problems down the road, such as in myself.
And thankfully with Chemotherapy, it is ONLY used on someone who actually has Cancer. Someone who actually needs it. It would be unethical and illegal for a doctor to tell a patient he needs chemo,without actually having cancer.And as far as I understand, the people who receive it are notified of the full severity of its effects. It is much more difficult to hide the ill side effects of a treatment, when they are physical.
With psychiatric meds, too many receive them without needing them. Without even having a simple blood test done first. Or who would benefit as well, or better from talk therapy instead of a chemical treatment.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 18, 2014, at 0:52:10
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » Dr. Bob, posted by poser938 on February 17, 2014, at 3:49:33
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