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Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:42:18
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
Hi John,
I get the impression that your pdoc doesn't have a particularly good 'bedside manner'.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:43:48
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
>Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.
Well... I guess that's good.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:20
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » ed_uk, posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 15:26:13
Hi Max,
I'm doing quite well thank you :-) I haven't changed my medication.
~ed
Posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:42
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
> > You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
> >
> > ~Ed
>
>
> I'm bitter? I'm always bitter. I'm a writer. It annoys me that I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.
>
> It reminds me how much misinterpretation goes on in my actual essays for classes by my professors.
>
> Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.Assuming that your argument that Accutane could never be responsible for depression is valid (appealing to the opinion of an expert, namely your therapist), then why would you think your professors are automatically guilty of "misinterpretation" when they read your essays? They're experts too, you know.
-z
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:51:29
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
Hi John,
>That's called "discourse."
>And why would it end "badly?" How could that possibly happen?Sometimes, it's not particularly helpful to get invloved with discourse.
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:55:48
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
>I'm a writer.
.......and a good one, but perhaps a little harsh?
~Ed
Posted by willyee on August 28, 2005, at 16:17:12
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:55:48
Believe it or not my fish dying would be a tragedy.Hes a 9 inch African cichlid and and is my buddy,i treat him like he was my child,his name is Big Louie by the way,and if something happened to him,id be devasted!!!
Posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 16:41:09
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
I don't think it is foolish or inappropriate to live under the assumption that a certain drug could ruin one's life.
I was reading an interesting article on Lilly. It seems that an extrordinarily disproportionate number of people who work for the company actually take prozac. What do they know that we don't ?
Drugs have ruined my life. I am not afriad to say it, and I am not afriad to gracefully ignore the suggestions of those who might try to persuade me otherwise.
Can you imagine that opposition the first person to ever experience acutaine induced depression would experience? A doctor might believe you now because it is well documented. If I was taking the drug, and was under the impression that it did infact cause significant neurological symptoms, then I'd be hard pressed to let anyone convince me otherwise.
The truth is, that nobody knows one better than oneself.Linkadge
Posted by adamCanada on August 28, 2005, at 17:49:10
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
Grow up and stop insulting members of the board. Unless you get poisoned by something like accutane you have no CLUE what it feels like. SO GROW UP
I was the most healthy person in the world before this TOXIC drug (which claimed the lives of thousands) came into my life. I cannot function the way I used to. I wish perhaps you were in my shoes so you could see what the hell it feels like. How disgusting.
Hope you get banned. GOODBYE
Posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 18:25:17
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » Maximus, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:20
> Hi Max,
>
> I'm doing quite well thank you :-) I haven't changed my medication.
>
> ~ed
Quite well? Great. Just great. Don't forget that too much "psybabble" may sometimes be toxic...Bye.
Posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 19:58:14
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » ed_uk, posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 18:25:17
Its nice an easy to say "pull up your socks and get on with your life".
Would you say that to somebody who has wrongfully been exposed to a cancer causing agent?
Some dammage is beyond something you can "forget about" it is something that you have to live with every day, perhaps for the rest of your life.
To an outsider looking in, a comment such as "pull up your socks" is profoundly more indicative of ones own insecurities.
Its not a manner of getting on with your life, obviously they are doing that. That is why they are here. They may feel that it helps them to feel better about their own losses if perhaps they can prevent it from happening to somebody else. Being here to tell us about what happened to them is a way of coming to terms with their reality.
It sounds, more or less, that this is just something that some people are afriad to hear about. And so "stop complaining" is the best they can do.
Linkadge
Posted by spriggy on August 28, 2005, at 20:09:46
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 19:58:14
Someone explain how water retention caused the goldfish to die??
*yes, I am avoiding the big,pink elephant in the room* ROFL
Posted by gromit on August 28, 2005, at 21:02:13
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
> I once suggested "Klonopin can cause depression" and was immediately snapped at by my doctor, with rolling eyes, who said, "John, do you want to know how to sound like an expert?" (He's a Harvard Professor, and well-known by any doc I've ever met).
I've had doctors like that, more interested in demonstrating their vast knowledge than actually listening and trying to help. Harvard or not I wouldn't go back if he spoke to me in that manner.
Rick
Posted by Paulbwell on August 28, 2005, at 21:51:17
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:37:19
> > > I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
> > >
> > > ~Ed
> >
>
> yeah, maximus.. has a point... first, I shouldn't use "projecting"... but you did suggest I was "bitter" and inquired if I was "unhappy."
>
> Also, I am sympathetic with the fact that Maximus might not feel defended by my remarks, but he seems more ressilient to them than you are, and they were directed at him... I thought it posed an important question, and, well, it really didn't say anything but that.
>
> It was far from condensending, and nothing out of bounds for a therapist to pose. I hope you maintain a suitable environment for yourself... whether the drugs are "working" or not, I've never known of any that do so more than 1/2 way.
>
> The rest happens with therapy, exercise, friends, love, and everything else modernity dismisses as hopeless pursuits. (A self-fulfilling prophecy, based on my own experiences).
>
> Ah, if drugs didn't go just half-way, would there be any meaning to my remission?I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
Cheers
Posted by utopizen on August 29, 2005, at 15:45:20
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by Paulbwell on August 28, 2005, at 21:51:17
> I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
>
>
> CheersRuin my remission? Ruin what?
I switched back to Desoxyn shortly before my remission took place.
And what's with "medical methamphetamine"? I don't say "Adderall (medical amphetamine)". What gives? Both are sold on the street. And most so-called "meth" according to the DEA is, at best, if you're lucky, 50% meth. The rest is amphetamine (non-medical? No. Non-pharmaceutical? Yes.
Not to be pedantic... or mean... I'm just like, well, Desoxyn is used by lots of people, with few complications. It gives me fewer side effects than Adderall.
Posted by utopizen on August 29, 2005, at 15:47:11
In reply to I'm interested in the goldfish..., posted by spriggy on August 28, 2005, at 20:09:46
> Someone explain how water retention caused the goldfish to die??
>
> *yes, I am avoiding the big,pink elephant in the room* ROFLNO! We must dwell on our woes! No more goldfish nonsense!
Get back to dwelling on your woes!
You're so mean! You're distracting us from our woes! =)
Wordsworth: Resolution and Independence
Shelly: To a Sky-Lark.Discuss its relevance here.
Or call me names, either way. =)
Posted by linkadge on August 29, 2005, at 16:24:52
In reply to Re: I'm interested in the goldfish... » spriggy, posted by utopizen on August 29, 2005, at 15:47:11
Acutaine induced depression is a very serious topic. I know people who have died from acutaine induced depression. Revisiting such issues is not unwarranted.
"Get on with your life", hardly gives due merrit to such losses.
Linkadge
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 29, 2005, at 17:42:11
In reply to Grow the hell up, posted by adamCanada on August 28, 2005, at 17:49:10
> some of utopizen's posts are interesting. Unfortunately, others are cruel and offensive.
>
> ed_uk> I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.
>
> utopizen> Grow up
>
> adamCanadaPlease don't post anything that could lead to others feeling put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Declan on August 29, 2005, at 18:12:47
In reply to Re: I'm interested in the goldfish..., posted by linkadge on August 29, 2005, at 16:24:52
Hi everyone
Do you know what Accutane does that causes the depression or poisoning?
Is it toxic at any dose?
Otherwise we could keep talking about the goldfish.
Declan
Posted by linkadge on August 30, 2005, at 9:31:23
In reply to Re: I'm interested in the goldfish..., posted by Declan on August 29, 2005, at 18:12:47
I had one Dr. say to me that Acutaine dries out your brain just like it dries out your skin.
The doctor was having success with the use of fatty acids to treat acutaine induced depression.
Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on August 30, 2005, at 22:48:04
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 16:41:09
> I don't think it is foolish or inappropriate to live under the assumption that a certain drug could ruin one's life.
>
> I was reading an interesting article on Lilly. It seems that an extrordinarily disproportionate number of people who work for the company actually take prozac. What do they know that we don't ?
>
>
> Drugs have ruined my life. I am not afriad to say it, and I am not afriad to gracefully ignore the suggestions of those who might try to persuade me otherwise.
>
>
> Can you imagine that opposition the first person to ever experience acutaine induced depression would experience? A doctor might believe you now because it is well documented. If I was taking the drug, and was under the impression that it did infact cause significant neurological symptoms, then I'd be hard pressed to let anyone convince me otherwise.
>
>
> The truth is, that nobody knows one better than oneself.
>
>
>
> LinkadgeYeah, I had at least five doctors tell me Prozac/Celexa/Zoloft couldn't cause my neck and shoulder muscles to be so tense and tight that I was in constant pain. But every time I stopped taking the drug, the pain went away. And every time I went back on, it came back.
Marsha
>
Posted by denise1966 on August 31, 2005, at 7:02:56
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
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Posted by Paulbwell on August 31, 2005, at 21:03:40
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 29, 2005, at 15:45:20
> > I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
>
> Ruin my remission? Ruin what?
>
> I switched back to Desoxyn shortly before my remission took place.
>
> And what's with "medical methamphetamine"? I don't say "Adderall (medical amphetamine)". What gives? Both are sold on the street. And most so-called "meth" according to the DEA is, at best, if you're lucky, 50% meth. The rest is amphetamine (non-medical? No. Non-pharmaceutical? Yes.
>
>
Hi Ya!With (Medical Methamphetamine) i mean Pharmacy tablets of Desoxyn-only 5mg now- which are NOT 50% Meth-you know what you are getting when you fill a script for Desoxyn or Adderall at a Pharmacy, PURE (Meth),(Amphetamine) and tablet binders, not added sh*t from street sources-OK?
Cheers-good health
Posted by curiousL on April 18, 2013, at 1:40:32
In reply to Re: I'm interested in the goldfish..., posted by linkadge on August 30, 2005, at 9:31:23
> I had one Dr. say to me that Acutaine dries out your brain just like it dries out your skin.
>
> The doctor was having success with the use of fatty acids to treat acutaine induced depression.
>
>
> LinkadgeHello,
I read your comment on the internet. Although it was a long time ago, could you please tell me the name and or phone number for this doctor. Thank you.
Posted by Scars R. Stories on April 25, 2013, at 10:42:19
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by Paulbwell on August 28, 2005, at 21:51:17
> > > > I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
> > > >
> > > > ~Ed
> > >
> >
> > yeah, maximus.. has a point... first, I shouldn't use "projecting"... but you did suggest I was "bitter" and inquired if I was "unhappy."
> >
> > Also, I am sympathetic with the fact that Maximus might not feel defended by my remarks, but he seems more ressilient to them than you are, and they were directed at him... I thought it posed an important question, and, well, it really didn't say anything but that.
> >
> > It was far from condensending, and nothing out of bounds for a therapist to pose. I hope you maintain a suitable environment for yourself... whether the drugs are "working" or not, I've never known of any that do so more than 1/2 way.
> >
> > The rest happens with therapy, exercise, friends, love, and everything else modernity dismisses as hopeless pursuits. (A self-fulfilling prophecy, based on my own experiences).
> >
> > Ah, if drugs didn't go just half-way, would there be any meaning to my remission?
>
> I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
>
>
> Cheers
Sigh. After trying over 40 medications in different combinations to treat Bipolar Disorder over the past 10 years, I find certain "beefs" people have with certain "taboo" meds to be preposterous."Medical Methamphetamine" (well, not quite, one tiny fraction of the contents of dextroamphetamine-based medications, such as Desoxyn and Adderall is chemically identical to methamphetamine) is a ridiculous misnomer that has been borrowed inappropriately from the criminal justice system. If you are caught selling your prescription for one of these drugs, you can be charged with selling methamphetamine. You know, like if you have 20 prior drug charges and a trailer in Fresno.
Amphetamines (Central Nervous System Stimulants) have been used for various medical purposes, including so that military servicemen and women can stay awake for long hours, and children can concentrate better in classroom environments than they may otherwise. PAY ATTENTION HERE - I am not saying that it is OPTIMAL for us to be popping amphetamines as part of our daily regime. I am saying that this MEDICATION, like any other MED, functions to serve a certain purpose in our society. At the moment, our world is moving at a faster-than-human pace, and we are forced to adapt or fall behind.
At least we have some long-term data indicating that amphetamine's long-term side-effects (not METH's, but pharmaceutical CNS stimulant amphetamines) are not so dire.
What offends me most about this post, however, is the suggestion that taking Desoxyn may "ruin someone's life". I am assuming that this either refers to:
1) horrible withdrawal, or
2) a spiral downwards into illegal hard drug useNeither of these propositions are logical in the least. I have been there, and withdrawal from Desoxyn or Adderall are a walk in the park compared with withdrawal from SSRI/SNRI antidepressants! I'd rather be sleepy and headachy for a week than feel like shocks are running from my brain to my toes for months on end, personally. I compare my experiences with SSRI/SNRI withdrawal with heroin or opiate painkiller withdrawal. Not because they are similar, but because SSRI/SNRI withdrawal is SO MUCH WORSE. Desoxyn? What?
There is absolutely no link between the use of medical amphetamines (i.e. NOT "medical METHamphetamines") and drug use or crime. In fact, using these FDA approved substances to cope with today's fast-paced world - for students, execs, doctors, bus drivers, and others - is actually a way of preventing at-risk people in these careers from turning to any kind of illegal alternative!
medical methamphetamine...created by Adolf Hitler, right? :p
peace,
scars
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