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Posted by Lou PIlder on March 2, 2013, at 15:50:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 14:07:03
> There are good psychiatrists and bad psychiatrists. Just remember that the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes.
>
> EricFriends,
It is writen here,
[...the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes...].
If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can.
and on and on and on....
Now you parents reading this that are wanting to make a decision as to drug your child in colaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, be advised that Mr Hsiung has posted numerous prohibitions to me here that prevent me from posting what I think could save your child's life, prevent life-ruinig conditions and addictions, and give you enlightening educational material that could mark the difference between your child killing themselves and/or others or going on with their life without the fear of the drug taking over their minds an killing them. You see, once the drug is establised into the minds of children, you can see that when they do not do what they hoped for, then others here can tell them to find another drug, then another drug, then combinations of drugs, and as they are growing, the drug(s) could kill them or they could kill themselves before they find the drug that they are serching for that they are told will "work", whatever that could mean.
Mommas, don't let your sons grow up to be drug-boys.
Lou
Posted by schleprock on March 2, 2013, at 18:06:54
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 14:07:03
> There are good psychiatrists and bad psychiatrists. Just remember that the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes.
>
> EricPlease tell that to Dr. Ronald "Lithium" Rawitt.
Posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 18:22:42
In reply to Lou's warning-kowboyz, posted by Lou PIlder on March 2, 2013, at 15:50:15
"If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can."A lot of different drugs can cause these problems. What's your point?
Psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain.
Eric
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-kowboyz » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 18:22:42
> "If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
> If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can."
>
> A lot of different drugs can cause these problems. What's your point?
>
> Psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain.
>
> EricEric,
You wrote,[...psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain...].
I think differently beause I have seen some very good research that shows otherwise.
What criteria do you use, if any, to substantiate your claim here?
Lou
Posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 20:37:25
In reply to Lou's reply-duenhod » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
Research that shows they don't.
Eric
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-duenhod » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 20:37:25
> Research that shows they don't.
>
> EricEric,
Could you pot a link here to any of those?
Lou
Posted by CamW on March 3, 2013, at 21:09:54
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
Lou, sir:
I am afraid that there are brain changes with the treatment of of psychotropic medication...
Stress- and antidepressant treatment-induced modifications of 5-HT(7) receptor functions in the rat brain.
Tokarski K, Bobula B, Grzegorzewska-Hiczwa M, Kusek M, Hess G.
Pharmacol Rep. 2012 Nov;64(6):1305-15.
PMID: 23406741 [PubMed - in process]Effects of co-administration of fluoxetine and risperidone on properties of peritoneal and pleural macrophages in rats subjected to the forced swimming test.
Roman A, Kuśmierczyk J, Klimek E, Rogóż Z, Nalepa I.
Pharmacol Rep. 2012 Nov;64(6):1368-80.
PMID: 23406747Acute working memory improvement after tDCS in antidepressant-free patients with major depressive disorder.
Oliveira JF, Zanão TA, Valiengo L, Lotufo PA, Benseñor IM, Fregni F, Brunoni AR.
Neurosci Lett. 2013 Mar 14;537:60-4. doi: 10.1016/j.neulet.2013.01.023. Epub 2013 Jan 28.
PMID: 23370288The Action of Antidepressants on the Glutamate System: Regulation of Glutamate Release and Glutamate Receptors.
Musazzi L, Treccani G, Mallei A, Popoli M.
Biol Psychiatry. 2012 Dec 27. doi:pii: S0006-3223(12)00990-0. 10.1016/j.biopsych.2012.11.009.... of course the changes are positive and beneficial.
- Cam
Posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 21:57:42
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
http://askthepsych.com/atp/2009/01/06/antidepressant-brain-damage/
http://psychiatristscottsdale.com/do-antidepressants-protect-the-brain/
Here's a couple...
Eric
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2013, at 22:50:48
In reply to Re: : Lou's reply-hynune, posted by CamW on March 3, 2013, at 21:09:54
Cam,
It's good to have you back.
Thanks for the citations. I hadn't seen them before. I have been looking at glutamate and depression since 2000, but became complacent on following the most recent work in this area.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:44:02
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
Friends,
Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
Lou
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damage
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:50:01
In reply to Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:44:02
> Friends,
> Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
> Lou
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damagecorrection:
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brian-damage
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:53:26
In reply to Rcorecton- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:50:01
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
> > Lou
> > http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damage
>
> correction:
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brian-damagecorrection (2)
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage
Posted by CamW on March 4, 2013, at 9:24:03
In reply to correction(2)- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:53:26
Lou, sir:
More fear mongering. Why not add percentages, as to how often the above adverse effects occur?
Something must have unexpectedly happened to you, personally, for you to have this kind of animosity to psychotropics. But can you be sure that it was the psychotropics that truly resulted in what happened to you?
- Cam
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 4, 2013, at 12:33:31
In reply to Lou's reply-duenhod » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
Yes,
i abused them to try to tackle tasks that are way beyond my capabilities.
Whats the result? Im burned out.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 4, 2013, at 15:21:36
In reply to Re: correction(2)- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez » Lou PIlder, posted by CamW on March 4, 2013, at 9:24:03
> Lou, sir:
>
> More fear mongering. Why not add percentages, as to how often the above adverse effects occur?
>
> Something must have unexpectedly happened to you, personally, for you to have this kind of animosity to psychotropics. But can you be sure that it was the psychotropics that truly resulted in what happened to you?
>
> - CamI can be.. if i dont take them.. no psychosis!
Social damage is the worst.. not to mention all the time i wasted on finding the "right combination" that just doesnt seem to exist. Yeah i met some women i maybe wouldnt have gotten as far with without nardil.. but guess what: Psychotic or agressive behavior made them not talk to me anymore. Same with my BROTHER..
Guess what.. i would have been better off to just fly home when all my german friends did and start doing something like everyone else. No, i wanted to prove sh*t and tried using mainly nardil to accomplish this. I could have done differently and i regret this. Now i have pretty severe social damage. And i do not know how im supposed to get anywhere in life.
For so long i relied on a drug to wake up in the morning, to face the day. In this time i have just gotten weaker speaking of character.
Posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 14:43:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-duenhod » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 20:37:25
> Research that shows they don't.
>
> EricSharing your way of thinking is only going to lead people to suffering. You need to stop it. Every now and then someone posts on this site that medicine messed them up and you tell them they're mistaken. Instead of telling them that, you need to gain some useful knowledge and then come back to psychobabble and share your knowledge.
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 5, 2013, at 15:20:16
In reply to Eric, posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 14:43:47
> > Research that shows they don't.
> >
> > Eric
>
> Sharing your way of thinking is only going to lead people to suffering. You need to stop it. Every now and then someone posts on this site that medicine messed them up and you tell them they're mistaken. Instead of telling them that, you need to gain some useful knowledge and then come back to psychobabble and share your knowledge.poser,
You wrote,[...medicine messed them up...lead people to suffering...you (Eric) tell them that they are mistaken...useful knowledge...].
Posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 15:27:07
In reply to Re: : Lou's reply-hynune » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 21:57:42
Eric, you have a few sensational studies all talking about how wonderful antidepressants are. Yes they may be wonderful for about 1/3 of the people that take them, but for some they can cause life damaging effects. I don't need to point to a study explaining this because I have personally experienced this.
But here are a few:
http://www.uiowa.edu/ucs/documents/Csoka%20et%20al.%20PSSD%20Case%20reports.pdf
And here is a summarized version of the article
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173768You need to unbury your head from the sand and face that there are still millions of things that scientists, psychiatrists, neurologists and doctors don't understand about the brain.
So why act like there is definitive proof that psychotropic meds can in no way cause longterm/permanent effect to the brain?
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 5, 2013, at 15:45:41
In reply to Eric, posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 15:27:07
Eric, unfortunately there is no pills to help you leave a cult.
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 5, 2013, at 16:52:17
In reply to Re: correction(2)- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez » Lou PIlder, posted by CamW on March 4, 2013, at 9:24:03
> Lou, sir:
>
> More fear mongering. Why not add percentages, as to how often the above adverse effects occur?
>
> Something must have unexpectedly happened to you, personally, for you to have this kind of animosity to psychotropics. But can you be sure that it was the psychotropics that truly resulted in what happened to you?
>
> - CamC_W,
You wrote,[...fear mongering...how often...this kind of animosity...are you sure...?].
Posted by phidippus on March 5, 2013, at 16:57:50
In reply to Eric, posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 14:43:47
Cut the sh*t. Just as much evidence supports the idea psychotropic medication does no long term harm as does evidence to the contrary. Who is right? You?
Eric
Posted by phidippus on March 5, 2013, at 17:01:21
In reply to Eric, posted by poser938 on March 5, 2013, at 15:27:07
>You need to unbury your head from the sand and face that there are still millions of things that scientists, psychiatrists, neurologists and doctors don't understand about the brain.
What don't they understand about the brain? And if they don't know these things about the brain, how can one quantify the so called damage done by these drugs?
Eric
Posted by poser938 on March 6, 2013, at 15:18:01
In reply to Re: Eric » poser938, posted by phidippus on March 5, 2013, at 17:01:21
This s just a small article on what is unknown.
http://www.google.com/m?hl=en&source=android-browser-type&q=what+is+not+known+about+the+brainYa know,the first time I started seeing a psychatrist in 2005 my dad told me I need to be careful with the meds I'm prescribed because they are "very owerful medicine".
I figured my dad was living in the past. I told myself that these meds were thoroughly studied for years and that they were proven safe and effective. Oh man was I wrong. Now, 8 years later I am living with the mistake I made to try antidepressants.
At first I told myself it wasn't the medication that did this. That it was just part of growing up. But it felt so unnatural. After trying more antidepressants it was ckear tht they were causing the problem,Certain muscles in my face move on their own. My emotional response is very weak. My endurance is very low. I can't even hold my arms up without feeling exhasusted afterwards.
Ive had tests done to check my hormones and things like that, but they alk come back normal.
Posted by phidippus on March 6, 2013, at 16:01:40
In reply to Re: Eric, posted by poser938 on March 6, 2013, at 15:18:01
I've been on many antidepressants for the last 5 years and have not experienced a single lingering side effect.
You're convinced antidepressants caused your current state. How are you so sure? Perhaps you are experiencing symptoms of an underlying illness. Perhaps chronic fatigue syndrome.
Eric
Posted by poser938 on March 7, 2013, at 15:41:32
In reply to Re: Eric » poser938, posted by phidippus on March 6, 2013, at 16:01:40
> I've been on many antidepressants for the last 5 years and have not experienced a single lingering side effect.
>
> You're convinced antidepressants caused your current state. How are you so sure? Perhaps you are experiencing symptoms of an underlying illness. Perhaps chronic fatigue syndrome.
>
> Eric
Hmm, I think you may be on to something. Your experience with medication seems to speak for everyone. Everyones brain must exactly like yours! And therefore react to medication just like yours. You may want to write to the national institute of health about this,
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