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Posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 4:38:29
Whoa!
Nardil withdrawal is when severe insomnia is actually a very good thing cos you get to avoid the awful nightmares.
Nardil withdrawal is when you see and hear things that aren't there. Yesterday I heard my cats having a conversation.
Nardil withdrawal is when you feel so angry/hostile/irritable you actually consider becoming an angry forum troll.
Nardil withdrawal is when you say give me back my f*ck*ng Nardil so I can end this! Now!!
Posted by Phillipa on November 9, 2012, at 8:56:12
In reply to Nardil withdrawal, posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 4:38:29
Kat oh wow you surely are having a horrible time. That would really scare me. So the nardil was not working at all. How far into the withdrawal are you now? I'm so sorry. Phillipa
Posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 9:11:19
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » ChicagoKat, posted by Phillipa on November 9, 2012, at 8:56:12
> Kat oh wow you surely are having a horrible time. That would really scare me. So the nardil was not working at all. How far into the withdrawal are you now? I'm so sorry. Phillipa
Hi Phillipa!
Actually it's not so much scary as annoying, especially the sleep thing...the hallucinations I've had have been mild, and have actually helped to entertain me while I couldn't sleep :)
I'm actually just lowering the dose of Nardil; I discovered that strangely it helps my anxiety best at a lower dose...it actually made the anxiety worse at a higher dose, weird, huh? Anyways, just going from 60mg/day to 30mg/day, so no biggie; I just waited too long to restart it. I'm beginning to feel better now, have restarted it at the lower dose.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 9, 2012, at 18:15:10
In reply to Nardil withdrawal, posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 4:38:29
I hope you're tapering it and not going cold turkey. That sounds awful.
Posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 18:38:34
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » ChicagoKat, posted by gardenergirl on November 9, 2012, at 18:15:10
> I hope you're tapering it and not going cold turkey. That sounds awful.
Nope, went cold turkey, stupidly thought the elevator would be better than the stairs. But it's really just a dose reduction, and I'm back on it now at the target dose and feeling much better.
You know, it really was awful, except for the hallucinations. Those were actually great entertainment for me when I couldn't sleep. :)
Posted by Phillipa on November 9, 2012, at 19:57:13
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » gardenergirl, posted by ChicagoKat on November 9, 2012, at 18:38:34
Kat so you are now remaining on Nardil at the lower dose? And not withdrawing for Parnate? Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on November 10, 2012, at 2:51:19
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » ChicagoKat, posted by Phillipa on November 9, 2012, at 19:57:13
Hi Kat, I'd try tapering over 1-2 weeks, under the cover of a benzo, also for 1-2 weeks
Say, lorazepam or alprazolam, 1mg in the morning and afternoon, and 2mg at bedtime
Adding a sedating antihistamine (phenergan 25-50mg) can also help sleep
Posted by ChicagoKat on November 10, 2012, at 8:36:23
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » ChicagoKat, posted by Phillipa on November 9, 2012, at 19:57:13
> Kat so you are now remaining on Nardil at the lower dose? And not withdrawing for Parnate? Phillipa
Sorry, Phillipa, everything got confused by the fact that first, the pharmacy had trouble ordering the Parnate, and second, only to find out that my crappy new insurance will not cover it. So I made a decision to go back on Nardil, but at a lower dose. But meanwhile, I had stopped it cold turkey (MAN, have I learned my lesson), and was suffering pretty bad withdrawal. It's all a mess. The higher dose of Nardil was making me anxious, but the lower dose had in the past really helped my anxiety. That's why I thought I'd do the lower dose. Of course, I really should have consulted my pdoc big time, and I promise I'm going to call him on Monday. My therapist is kinda pissed at me for self-medicating this way, and I can't blame her.
Long story short, I'm back on some Nardil, and am starting to feel better. I'm on my way to see my therapist right now, hopefully to smooth things over with her. Thanks, as always, for caring, you are an angel.
Kat
Posted by Phillipa on November 10, 2012, at 20:08:14
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by ChicagoKat on November 10, 2012, at 8:36:23
Kat hoping you are feeling better now and things smoothed over with therapist. Why would the therapist be angry. By self -medication do you mean prematurely raising nardil dose? Phillipa
Posted by ChicagoKat on November 11, 2012, at 8:15:38
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » ChicagoKat, posted by Phillipa on November 10, 2012, at 20:08:14
> Kat hoping you are feeling better now and things smoothed over with therapist. Why would the therapist be angry. By self -medication do you mean prematurely raising nardil dose? Phillipa
Hi Phillipa, sorry for the delay in my reply; that Nardil withdrawal really kicked me in the be-hind! I'm happy to say that it has almost completely resolved and I am feeling MUCH better....as always, thanks so much for your caring and support. I have to hold back tears sometimes because you are so caring and supportive. (plus, I'm pretty darn good at the tears thing lol) I think I may have explained elsewhere, but I actually went through withdrawal b/c my wonderful Nardil had turned on me and was causing anxiety at higher doses...so pdoc thought maybe we should try Parnate. But that turned out to be impossible b/c the pharmacy took forever to order it, and then once they finally had it, it turned out my fabulous new insurance won't cover it. So I went back on the Nardil, but at a lower dose which doesn't cause anxiety, in fact, at this dose (30mg/day) it works great against anxiety. But I went through SUCH a horrible withdrawal while all this was going on...finally stabilizing now.
Therapist was not pleased that I went back on the Nardil on my own when I couldn't get the Parnate. I agreed to call pdoc on Monday. I should have called him this past week, I agree, but I was in la la land, so honestly did not think about it. I know without a doubt my pdoc will be fine with what I did and will approve it. I love my pdoc, but I'm starting to wonder if I need a new therapist.Sorry for long post; just had a huge diet coke :)
How are you feeling these days? I think about you all the time and hope that, while you are being so supportive of us all, that you are also feeling OK yourself. <3
Kat
Posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2012, at 20:29:16
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by ChicagoKat on November 11, 2012, at 8:15:38
Kat since therapists don't prescribe medications he/she shouldn't criticise you not taking the Parnate especially if not covered by insurance. Since what you did it working I'm also sure your pdoc will not have a problem. Been busy. Trying to google stuff for other folks, trying to figure out what the best supplemental insurance to medicaire should be the one I have or another one Also starting to have a sunroom build on starting tomorrow. So stuff that can be draining. Phillipa
Posted by gilmourr on November 20, 2012, at 1:32:41
In reply to Re: Nardil withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by ChicagoKat on November 10, 2012, at 8:36:23
I tried going off Nardil cold turkey, didn't work either. It's very strong and you can't just stop it. Though I was able to do a fast ween, 15 mg every 3 days I had absolutely no symptoms surprisingly. I was off it for 14 days straight, and only at day 14 did the major depression hit again so it went well.
Now I restarted.
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