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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 7:39:04
In reply to Lou's response-efex/depez, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 7:29:24
> > > > > > > > > > sounds just as bad for withdrawls. With my luck I would get the horrible withdrawls. That is why I am still on paxil.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > None of the other couple of SSRI's gave me a bit of grief though.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What do you know about Pristiq??
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...What do you know about Pristiq??...].
> > > > > > > > > Pristiq is a new name for a synthetic verion of a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > > > > Now in my study of {nerve agents}, that gave me the knowledge to understand the mechanism of psychotropic drugs and the chemicals used to make them. There is also the facts concerning those chemists that developed {Sarin} that also led to the development of psychotropic drugs.
> > > > > > > > > Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> > > > > > > > > Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not tell you what I know here, as you have requested. The prohibitions to me can be seen on the administrative board. These prohibitions exist, even though what I could post could be for education and support, for if what I know aabout these drugs could be posted here, IMHHHHHO lives could be saved and there could be the prevention of life-ruining conditions given to some by these drugs.
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > What I know about these drugs IMHO could change your life. Let us go on about this drug that themanufcturers call Pristiq. In order to undertsnad the chemistry of this drug I need a whole lot of time and space. Mr. Hsiung's 3-consecutive post rule here can stop me from posting unless another after my 3 posts ,posts.
> > > > > > > > But let's go on as far as we can here. First, there is a chemical called piperidine. It is found in pepper plants and other places but cn be synthesized. Poison Hemlock has it in it and is used as a poison. This chemical can be found in many psychotropic drugs. Then there is phenethylamine, which comes from a mushroom that is found in many psychotropic drugs, but can be synthesized.
> > > > > > > > Then there are those chemicals from coal-tar. The chemical used in mass-muder that I described here came from coal-tar.
> > > > > > > > Now chemists couls put these together in different proportions and get psychoactive chemicals, rat poison, dyes, insecticides, worm-killers and such. And then there is fluoride which is in Sarin nerve gas and prozac and paxil and celexa and Luvox and lexapro and other drugs.
> > > > > > > > Now looking at the coal tars, I would like for you to do a search on {phenol}. Wikipedia could be a good one. Then I could tell you the rest what I know about this drug, it's comparison to the old drug and who made it.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Here is a link to that phenol was used as the drug for executing Jews.
> > > > > > > Now a lot of my knowledge concerning these drugs comes from the ranscripts of the crooss-examination of war criminals. These transcripts are available on the net but there are prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from posting lot concerning thiis. You may see some of this on the administraive board.
> > > > > > > But going on, to see this article:
> > > > > > > A. Puull up Google
> > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > [...Killing with syringes;Phenol injections]
> > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > Now there is a video that you can see and if you read what is under the video, there could be more substantiation of the use of phenol to murder Jews.
> > > > > > > To see this video:
> > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > [youtube, Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial]
> > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Now phenol AKA carbolic acid, when in the body can be poisonous. Now phenol is a building block of soe psychoctive compunds that I intend to show you what psychotropic drugs have those compounds in theit chemical make up.
> > > > > > Be advised that there are numerouus prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that could cloud my responses and it could take a lot of space and time to develop what I would like for you to know.
> > > > > > Now if we look at another drug, I could have the opportunity to show you what I intend for you to know concerning the "old" drug that I have mentioned. First, I would like to look at {thalidomine}. I will show you where this drug came from, what the chemical make up is, and then show you what could be unbeknownst to you in relation to the topic at hand.
> > > > > > But first let me say that not all people will {feel} supported by what I write here, but the TOS here states that not all people will feel supported here. My understanding of support is not the same as {reinforcement}. If you are looking for reinforcement, there are others to look to for that, for I am here to save lives and offer to those that would like a way to overcome depression and addiction that may not be your way.
> > > > > > I intend to let you know things and go on, unless the rule of 3 applies
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > now going on, thalidomide is in this discussion and you could wonder what this is about. Well, the knowledge that I want to share with you involves thalidomide in relation to SARIN.
> > > > > You see, sarin is nerve agenet used in mass-murder. But what does that have to do with thalidomide, you could ask? And how can this all be related to this discussion?
> > > > > Well, I will go on to explain that unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Now I would like to introduce to you two items in the exposition here that go to what will be revealed.
> > > > The first is the pharmaceutical co. named Grunenthal GmbH. The second is a man whose name is in my subject lines here in this thread. This may also give you a clue on my code here. If you do not see his name, it is Otto Ambros.
> > > > Now Otto was a doctorate chemist that I will post more about here, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Now I would like for you to view the following video. If you could, then the knowledge in the video could be used in my further development of this exposition for there to be the understanding of the subject at hand, which is the "old" drug.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this video,
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Nuremburg Case #6 I.G. Farben]
> > > posted on Jan 11 2009 time is 7 min
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now we have a master chemist, Otto Ambros, a convivted war-criminal. He worked for I.G. Farben. And after he was let out of prison, he worked for other chemical companies. You see, this all is involved with phenol, I.G. Farben, thalidomide, Gruenthal, Sarin, and the rest that I have introduced here in this exposition. This is all because of the drug Effexor /Pristiiq as being in a want for information by a member here.
> > Now it is very complicated for me to trace what Otto Ambros did in his laboratory. But I have studied deep into this and the member's question concerning Effexor/Pristiq has great merit here for enlightenment about these mind-altering drugs.
> > Here is an article about Otto Ambros
> > Lou
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ambros
>
> Friends,
> Here is a link about Effexor as to if it can actually cause depresssion.
> Now I ask you to make a determination on your own as to if you want to have this chemical in your system if you are looking for the drug to get you out of depression. Then I intend to continue to expose the issues at hand here to you so that (redacted by respondent), unless the rule of 3 applies.
> Lou
> http://ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
Posted by Laney on February 9, 2012, at 12:14:11
In reply to Re: ReThinking I made a mistake with Effexor? Cymbalta, posted by morgan miller on February 8, 2012, at 0:04:36
Morgan,
Tell me more about the use of prozac and depakote to get off paxil.
Thanks!
Laney
Posted by Laney on February 9, 2012, at 12:24:23
In reply to Re: Thinking I made a mistake with Effexor? Cymbalta » Laney, posted by SLS on February 7, 2012, at 21:57:20
Scott,
My depression is pretty bad to me. I really like how nortriptyline felt to me and made me feel. May go back to that.
I believe the withdrawls of paxil set me up for where I am today. I went on it for head pressure, not depression. I probably would have taken anything to rid myself of that feeling. It was probably anxiety related. I've always been somewhat of an anxious person deep down.
Going through paxil withdrawls affected me more mentally than anything. I was negative, irritable, miserable, unhappy with everything, etc. It changed who I was. After giving up and going back on, I tried to regain my previous self but have been chasing her ever since.
That's why I say paxil withdrawls changed me. So now you know why I'm so freaked out by withdrawl. I haven't had any problems with withdrawing from Savella, Lamictal, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Celexa, Prozac, and I might have missed another SSRI.
That's where I am. Negative thoughts, unable to feel much happiness at all, no interest in sex, etc. which affects my marriage considerably. I also have back muscle pain/spasm crap going on and can't seem to get rid of it. It's pretty intense.
Anyway, you asked. I don't know what to do except try Nort. again and deal with the weight gain or try something like effexor, cymbalta or pristiq and go forward and not think about a withdrawl.
Thanks Scott -
Laney
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:07:38
In reply to correction- Lou's response-efex/depez, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 7:39:04
> > > > > > > > > > > sounds just as bad for withdrawls. With my luck I would get the horrible withdrawls. That is why I am still on paxil.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > None of the other couple of SSRI's gave me a bit of grief though.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What do you know about Pristiq??
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...What do you know about Pristiq??...].
> > > > > > > > > > Pristiq is a new name for a synthetic verion of a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > > > > > Now in my study of {nerve agents}, that gave me the knowledge to understand the mechanism of psychotropic drugs and the chemicals used to make them. There is also the facts concerning those chemists that developed {Sarin} that also led to the development of psychotropic drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> > > > > > > > > > Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not tell you what I know here, as you have requested. The prohibitions to me can be seen on the administrative board. These prohibitions exist, even though what I could post could be for education and support, for if what I know aabout these drugs could be posted here, IMHHHHHO lives could be saved and there could be the prevention of life-ruining conditions given to some by these drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > What I know about these drugs IMHO could change your life. Let us go on about this drug that themanufcturers call Pristiq. In order to undertsnad the chemistry of this drug I need a whole lot of time and space. Mr. Hsiung's 3-consecutive post rule here can stop me from posting unless another after my 3 posts ,posts.
> > > > > > > > > But let's go on as far as we can here. First, there is a chemical called piperidine. It is found in pepper plants and other places but cn be synthesized. Poison Hemlock has it in it and is used as a poison. This chemical can be found in many psychotropic drugs. Then there is phenethylamine, which comes from a mushroom that is found in many psychotropic drugs, but can be synthesized.
> > > > > > > > > Then there are those chemicals from coal-tar. The chemical used in mass-muder that I described here came from coal-tar.
> > > > > > > > > Now chemists couls put these together in different proportions and get psychoactive chemicals, rat poison, dyes, insecticides, worm-killers and such. And then there is fluoride which is in Sarin nerve gas and prozac and paxil and celexa and Luvox and lexapro and other drugs.
> > > > > > > > > Now looking at the coal tars, I would like for you to do a search on {phenol}. Wikipedia could be a good one. Then I could tell you the rest what I know about this drug, it's comparison to the old drug and who made it.
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > Here is a link to that phenol was used as the drug for executing Jews.
> > > > > > > > Now a lot of my knowledge concerning these drugs comes from the ranscripts of the crooss-examination of war criminals. These transcripts are available on the net but there are prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from posting lot concerning thiis. You may see some of this on the administraive board.
> > > > > > > > But going on, to see this article:
> > > > > > > > A. Puull up Google
> > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > [...Killing with syringes;Phenol injections]
> > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > Now there is a video that you can see and if you read what is under the video, there could be more substantiation of the use of phenol to murder Jews.
> > > > > > > > To see this video:
> > > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > [youtube, Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial]
> > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Now phenol AKA carbolic acid, when in the body can be poisonous. Now phenol is a building block of soe psychoctive compunds that I intend to show you what psychotropic drugs have those compounds in theit chemical make up.
> > > > > > > Be advised that there are numerouus prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that could cloud my responses and it could take a lot of space and time to develop what I would like for you to know.
> > > > > > > Now if we look at another drug, I could have the opportunity to show you what I intend for you to know concerning the "old" drug that I have mentioned. First, I would like to look at {thalidomine}. I will show you where this drug came from, what the chemical make up is, and then show you what could be unbeknownst to you in relation to the topic at hand.
> > > > > > > But first let me say that not all people will {feel} supported by what I write here, but the TOS here states that not all people will feel supported here. My understanding of support is not the same as {reinforcement}. If you are looking for reinforcement, there are others to look to for that, for I am here to save lives and offer to those that would like a way to overcome depression and addiction that may not be your way.
> > > > > > > I intend to let you know things and go on, unless the rule of 3 applies
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > now going on, thalidomide is in this discussion and you could wonder what this is about. Well, the knowledge that I want to share with you involves thalidomide in relation to SARIN.
> > > > > > You see, sarin is nerve agenet used in mass-murder. But what does that have to do with thalidomide, you could ask? And how can this all be related to this discussion?
> > > > > > Well, I will go on to explain that unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Now I would like to introduce to you two items in the exposition here that go to what will be revealed.
> > > > > The first is the pharmaceutical co. named Grunenthal GmbH. The second is a man whose name is in my subject lines here in this thread. This may also give you a clue on my code here. If you do not see his name, it is Otto Ambros.
> > > > > Now Otto was a doctorate chemist that I will post more about here, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Now I would like for you to view the following video. If you could, then the knowledge in the video could be used in my further development of this exposition for there to be the understanding of the subject at hand, which is the "old" drug.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To see this video,
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, Nuremburg Case #6 I.G. Farben]
> > > > posted on Jan 11 2009 time is 7 min
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Now we have a master chemist, Otto Ambros, a convivted war-criminal. He worked for I.G. Farben. And after he was let out of prison, he worked for other chemical companies. You see, this all is involved with phenol, I.G. Farben, thalidomide, Gruenthal, Sarin, and the rest that I have introduced here in this exposition. This is all because of the drug Effexor /Pristiiq as being in a want for information by a member here.
> > > Now it is very complicated for me to trace what Otto Ambros did in his laboratory. But I have studied deep into this and the member's question concerning Effexor/Pristiq has great merit here for enlightenment about these mind-altering drugs.
> > > Here is an article about Otto Ambros
> > > Lou
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ambros
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link about Effexor as to if it can actually cause depresssion.
> > Now I ask you to make a determination on your own as to if you want to have this chemical in your system if you are looking for the drug to get you out of depression. Then I intend to continue to expose the issues at hand here to you so that (redacted by respondent), unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > Lou
> > http://ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
>
> correctio:
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depressionFriends,
Now we have a period of time where a chemist is making a nerve agent used in mass-murder. This nerve agent, Sarin, was originally developed as an insecticide. Later, {Tabun}, another nerve agent was developed and Otto Anbros was one of the developers. So Otto Ambros was working with Sarin and Tabun. So what, you may say. Well, there is evidence that Otto was working on a drug to be an antidote to Sarin. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I will come back to that, but let us look at {phenol}.
When {phenyl} is bonded to a hydroxyl group, you get {phenol}. I know this could be complicated, but I will try to make this as simple as possible without giving a lecture in organic chemistry. Someone here asked about my background in chemistry. I studied undergraduate chemistry, but not organic chemistry. I taught myself organic chemistry in graduate school while working toward a doctorate in an unrelated field, that I did not finish, which may account for being simplistic here.
Now {phenyl} and {benzene} are closly related and {phenyl} compounds are made from {benzene}.
Now we know something about {benzene} as in {benzodiazepines}. And these compounds can cause damage to the liver, kidneys and heart and other central nervous system issues and death. A very simple compound here is {phenol} which is {phenyl} bonded to a hydroxyl group.
Now how does this fit into the introduction here of sarin, tabun, and I.G. Farben and {thalidomide}? And the "old" drug?
I intend to reveal this here, unless the rule of three applies.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:35:59
In reply to Lou's response-phenyl and phenol, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:07:38
> > > > > > > > > > > > sounds just as bad for withdrawls. With my luck I would get the horrible withdrawls. That is why I am still on paxil.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > None of the other couple of SSRI's gave me a bit of grief though.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What do you know about Pristiq??
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...What do you know about Pristiq??...].
> > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq is a new name for a synthetic verion of a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now in my study of {nerve agents}, that gave me the knowledge to understand the mechanism of psychotropic drugs and the chemicals used to make them. There is also the facts concerning those chemists that developed {Sarin} that also led to the development of psychotropic drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not tell you what I know here, as you have requested. The prohibitions to me can be seen on the administrative board. These prohibitions exist, even though what I could post could be for education and support, for if what I know aabout these drugs could be posted here, IMHHHHHO lives could be saved and there could be the prevention of life-ruining conditions given to some by these drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > What I know about these drugs IMHO could change your life. Let us go on about this drug that themanufcturers call Pristiq. In order to undertsnad the chemistry of this drug I need a whole lot of time and space. Mr. Hsiung's 3-consecutive post rule here can stop me from posting unless another after my 3 posts ,posts.
> > > > > > > > > > But let's go on as far as we can here. First, there is a chemical called piperidine. It is found in pepper plants and other places but cn be synthesized. Poison Hemlock has it in it and is used as a poison. This chemical can be found in many psychotropic drugs. Then there is phenethylamine, which comes from a mushroom that is found in many psychotropic drugs, but can be synthesized.
> > > > > > > > > > Then there are those chemicals from coal-tar. The chemical used in mass-muder that I described here came from coal-tar.
> > > > > > > > > > Now chemists couls put these together in different proportions and get psychoactive chemicals, rat poison, dyes, insecticides, worm-killers and such. And then there is fluoride which is in Sarin nerve gas and prozac and paxil and celexa and Luvox and lexapro and other drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > Now looking at the coal tars, I would like for you to do a search on {phenol}. Wikipedia could be a good one. Then I could tell you the rest what I know about this drug, it's comparison to the old drug and who made it.
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > Here is a link to that phenol was used as the drug for executing Jews.
> > > > > > > > > Now a lot of my knowledge concerning these drugs comes from the ranscripts of the crooss-examination of war criminals. These transcripts are available on the net but there are prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from posting lot concerning thiis. You may see some of this on the administraive board.
> > > > > > > > > But going on, to see this article:
> > > > > > > > > A. Puull up Google
> > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > [...Killing with syringes;Phenol injections]
> > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > > Now there is a video that you can see and if you read what is under the video, there could be more substantiation of the use of phenol to murder Jews.
> > > > > > > > > To see this video:
> > > > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > [youtube, Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial]
> > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > Now phenol AKA carbolic acid, when in the body can be poisonous. Now phenol is a building block of soe psychoctive compunds that I intend to show you what psychotropic drugs have those compounds in theit chemical make up.
> > > > > > > > Be advised that there are numerouus prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that could cloud my responses and it could take a lot of space and time to develop what I would like for you to know.
> > > > > > > > Now if we look at another drug, I could have the opportunity to show you what I intend for you to know concerning the "old" drug that I have mentioned. First, I would like to look at {thalidomine}. I will show you where this drug came from, what the chemical make up is, and then show you what could be unbeknownst to you in relation to the topic at hand.
> > > > > > > > But first let me say that not all people will {feel} supported by what I write here, but the TOS here states that not all people will feel supported here. My understanding of support is not the same as {reinforcement}. If you are looking for reinforcement, there are others to look to for that, for I am here to save lives and offer to those that would like a way to overcome depression and addiction that may not be your way.
> > > > > > > > I intend to let you know things and go on, unless the rule of 3 applies
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > now going on, thalidomide is in this discussion and you could wonder what this is about. Well, the knowledge that I want to share with you involves thalidomide in relation to SARIN.
> > > > > > > You see, sarin is nerve agenet used in mass-murder. But what does that have to do with thalidomide, you could ask? And how can this all be related to this discussion?
> > > > > > > Well, I will go on to explain that unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Now I would like to introduce to you two items in the exposition here that go to what will be revealed.
> > > > > > The first is the pharmaceutical co. named Grunenthal GmbH. The second is a man whose name is in my subject lines here in this thread. This may also give you a clue on my code here. If you do not see his name, it is Otto Ambros.
> > > > > > Now Otto was a doctorate chemist that I will post more about here, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Now I would like for you to view the following video. If you could, then the knowledge in the video could be used in my further development of this exposition for there to be the understanding of the subject at hand, which is the "old" drug.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [youtube, Nuremburg Case #6 I.G. Farben]
> > > > > posted on Jan 11 2009 time is 7 min
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Now we have a master chemist, Otto Ambros, a convivted war-criminal. He worked for I.G. Farben. And after he was let out of prison, he worked for other chemical companies. You see, this all is involved with phenol, I.G. Farben, thalidomide, Gruenthal, Sarin, and the rest that I have introduced here in this exposition. This is all because of the drug Effexor /Pristiiq as being in a want for information by a member here.
> > > > Now it is very complicated for me to trace what Otto Ambros did in his laboratory. But I have studied deep into this and the member's question concerning Effexor/Pristiq has great merit here for enlightenment about these mind-altering drugs.
> > > > Here is an article about Otto Ambros
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ambros
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Here is a link about Effexor as to if it can actually cause depresssion.
> > > Now I ask you to make a determination on your own as to if you want to have this chemical in your system if you are looking for the drug to get you out of depression. Then I intend to continue to expose the issues at hand here to you so that (redacted by respondent), unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > Lou
> > > http://ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
> >
> > correctio:
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
>
> Friends,
> Now we have a period of time where a chemist is making a nerve agent used in mass-murder. This nerve agent, Sarin, was originally developed as an insecticide. Later, {Tabun}, another nerve agent was developed and Otto Anbros was one of the developers. So Otto Ambros was working with Sarin and Tabun. So what, you may say. Well, there is evidence that Otto was working on a drug to be an antidote to Sarin. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
> I will come back to that, but let us look at {phenol}.
> When {phenyl} is bonded to a hydroxyl group, you get {phenol}. I know this could be complicated, but I will try to make this as simple as possible without giving a lecture in organic chemistry. Someone here asked about my background in chemistry. I studied undergraduate chemistry, but not organic chemistry. I taught myself organic chemistry in graduate school while working toward a doctorate in an unrelated field, that I did not finish, which may account for being simplistic here.
> Now {phenyl} and {benzene} are closly related and {phenyl} compounds are made from {benzene}.
> Now we know something about {benzene} as in {benzodiazepines}. And these compounds can cause damage to the liver, kidneys and heart and other central nervous system issues and death. A very simple compound here is {phenol} which is {phenyl} bonded to a hydroxyl group.
> Now how does this fit into the introduction here of sarin, tabun, and I.G. Farben and {thalidomide}? And the "old" drug?
> I intend to reveal this here, unless the rule of three applies.
> Lou
>
Friends,
Now let me introduce the {peperidines}. Found naturally in pepper plants and poison hemloc and other naturally occuring plants and such. Usually synthesized, though.
What is important here for you to undestand what the "old" drug here is, is that peperidines are used in the production of rubber. hummmmmmmmmm.
And also in the production of;
Paxil
Risperidone
Ritalin
Haldol
Thioridazin
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
So let us go on. Now I am coming to an important point here for understndingg to take place concerning this exposition. There are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy has the function to do his wishes also. One of the prohibitions to me concerns I.G. Farben.
To see Mr. Hsiung's post to me:
A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page
B. Type in:
[Dr Bob, I.G. Farben, please don't, Lou]
This usually is first and you will see my post. Then under my post is Mr. Hsiung's post to me. There is more to this.
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2012, at 20:26:06
In reply to Lou's response-pleezdhone, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:35:59
Only l left in three post rule. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on February 9, 2012, at 20:41:08
In reply to Lou's response-pleezdhone, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:35:59
>And also in the production of;
>Paxil
>Risperidone
>Ritalin
>Haldol
>ThioridazinFor me there's no contest. I'd take the Ritalin.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 21:13:37
In reply to Lou's response-pleezdhone, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 18:35:59
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds just as bad for withdrawls. With my luck I would get the horrible withdrawls. That is why I am still on paxil.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the other couple of SSRI's gave me a bit of grief though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you know about Pristiq??
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...What do you know about Pristiq??...].
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq is a new name for a synthetic verion of a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now in my study of {nerve agents}, that gave me the knowledge to understand the mechanism of psychotropic drugs and the chemicals used to make them. There is also the facts concerning those chemists that developed {Sarin} that also led to the development of psychotropic drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not tell you what I know here, as you have requested. The prohibitions to me can be seen on the administrative board. These prohibitions exist, even though what I could post could be for education and support, for if what I know aabout these drugs could be posted here, IMHHHHHO lives could be saved and there could be the prevention of life-ruining conditions given to some by these drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > > What I know about these drugs IMHO could change your life. Let us go on about this drug that themanufcturers call Pristiq. In order to undertsnad the chemistry of this drug I need a whole lot of time and space. Mr. Hsiung's 3-consecutive post rule here can stop me from posting unless another after my 3 posts ,posts.
> > > > > > > > > > > But let's go on as far as we can here. First, there is a chemical called piperidine. It is found in pepper plants and other places but cn be synthesized. Poison Hemlock has it in it and is used as a poison. This chemical can be found in many psychotropic drugs. Then there is phenethylamine, which comes from a mushroom that is found in many psychotropic drugs, but can be synthesized.
> > > > > > > > > > > Then there are those chemicals from coal-tar. The chemical used in mass-muder that I described here came from coal-tar.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now chemists couls put these together in different proportions and get psychoactive chemicals, rat poison, dyes, insecticides, worm-killers and such. And then there is fluoride which is in Sarin nerve gas and prozac and paxil and celexa and Luvox and lexapro and other drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now looking at the coal tars, I would like for you to do a search on {phenol}. Wikipedia could be a good one. Then I could tell you the rest what I know about this drug, it's comparison to the old drug and who made it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to that phenol was used as the drug for executing Jews.
> > > > > > > > > > Now a lot of my knowledge concerning these drugs comes from the ranscripts of the crooss-examination of war criminals. These transcripts are available on the net but there are prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from posting lot concerning thiis. You may see some of this on the administraive board.
> > > > > > > > > > But going on, to see this article:
> > > > > > > > > > A. Puull up Google
> > > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > > [...Killing with syringes;Phenol injections]
> > > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > > > Now there is a video that you can see and if you read what is under the video, there could be more substantiation of the use of phenol to murder Jews.
> > > > > > > > > > To see this video:
> > > > > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > > [youtube, Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial]
> > > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > Now phenol AKA carbolic acid, when in the body can be poisonous. Now phenol is a building block of soe psychoctive compunds that I intend to show you what psychotropic drugs have those compounds in theit chemical make up.
> > > > > > > > > Be advised that there are numerouus prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that could cloud my responses and it could take a lot of space and time to develop what I would like for you to know.
> > > > > > > > > Now if we look at another drug, I could have the opportunity to show you what I intend for you to know concerning the "old" drug that I have mentioned. First, I would like to look at {thalidomine}. I will show you where this drug came from, what the chemical make up is, and then show you what could be unbeknownst to you in relation to the topic at hand.
> > > > > > > > > But first let me say that not all people will {feel} supported by what I write here, but the TOS here states that not all people will feel supported here. My understanding of support is not the same as {reinforcement}. If you are looking for reinforcement, there are others to look to for that, for I am here to save lives and offer to those that would like a way to overcome depression and addiction that may not be your way.
> > > > > > > > > I intend to let you know things and go on, unless the rule of 3 applies
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > now going on, thalidomide is in this discussion and you could wonder what this is about. Well, the knowledge that I want to share with you involves thalidomide in relation to SARIN.
> > > > > > > > You see, sarin is nerve agenet used in mass-murder. But what does that have to do with thalidomide, you could ask? And how can this all be related to this discussion?
> > > > > > > > Well, I will go on to explain that unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Now I would like to introduce to you two items in the exposition here that go to what will be revealed.
> > > > > > > The first is the pharmaceutical co. named Grunenthal GmbH. The second is a man whose name is in my subject lines here in this thread. This may also give you a clue on my code here. If you do not see his name, it is Otto Ambros.
> > > > > > > Now Otto was a doctorate chemist that I will post more about here, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Now I would like for you to view the following video. If you could, then the knowledge in the video could be used in my further development of this exposition for there to be the understanding of the subject at hand, which is the "old" drug.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > [youtube, Nuremburg Case #6 I.G. Farben]
> > > > > > posted on Jan 11 2009 time is 7 min
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Now we have a master chemist, Otto Ambros, a convivted war-criminal. He worked for I.G. Farben. And after he was let out of prison, he worked for other chemical companies. You see, this all is involved with phenol, I.G. Farben, thalidomide, Gruenthal, Sarin, and the rest that I have introduced here in this exposition. This is all because of the drug Effexor /Pristiiq as being in a want for information by a member here.
> > > > > Now it is very complicated for me to trace what Otto Ambros did in his laboratory. But I have studied deep into this and the member's question concerning Effexor/Pristiq has great merit here for enlightenment about these mind-altering drugs.
> > > > > Here is an article about Otto Ambros
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ambros
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Here is a link about Effexor as to if it can actually cause depresssion.
> > > > Now I ask you to make a determination on your own as to if you want to have this chemical in your system if you are looking for the drug to get you out of depression. Then I intend to continue to expose the issues at hand here to you so that (redacted by respondent), unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
> > >
> > > correctio:
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now we have a period of time where a chemist is making a nerve agent used in mass-murder. This nerve agent, Sarin, was originally developed as an insecticide. Later, {Tabun}, another nerve agent was developed and Otto Anbros was one of the developers. So Otto Ambros was working with Sarin and Tabun. So what, you may say. Well, there is evidence that Otto was working on a drug to be an antidote to Sarin. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
> > I will come back to that, but let us look at {phenol}.
> > When {phenyl} is bonded to a hydroxyl group, you get {phenol}. I know this could be complicated, but I will try to make this as simple as possible without giving a lecture in organic chemistry. Someone here asked about my background in chemistry. I studied undergraduate chemistry, but not organic chemistry. I taught myself organic chemistry in graduate school while working toward a doctorate in an unrelated field, that I did not finish, which may account for being simplistic here.
> > Now {phenyl} and {benzene} are closly related and {phenyl} compounds are made from {benzene}.
> > Now we know something about {benzene} as in {benzodiazepines}. And these compounds can cause damage to the liver, kidneys and heart and other central nervous system issues and death. A very simple compound here is {phenol} which is {phenyl} bonded to a hydroxyl group.
> > Now how does this fit into the introduction here of sarin, tabun, and I.G. Farben and {thalidomide}? And the "old" drug?
> > I intend to reveal this here, unless the rule of three applies.
> > Lou
> >
> Friends,
> Now let me introduce the {peperidines}. Found naturally in pepper plants and poison hemloc and other naturally occuring plants and such. Usually synthesized, though.
> What is important here for you to undestand what the "old" drug here is, is that peperidines are used in the production of rubber. hummmmmmmmmm.
> And also in the production of;
> Paxil
> Risperidone
> Ritalin
> Haldol
> Thioridazin
> Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> So let us go on. Now I am coming to an important point here for understndingg to take place concerning this exposition. There are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy has the function to do his wishes also. One of the prohibitions to me concerns I.G. Farben.
> To see Mr. Hsiung's post to me:
> A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page
> B. Type in:
> [Dr Bob, I.G. Farben, please don't, Lou]
> This usually is first and you will see my post. Then under my post is Mr. Hsiung's post to me. There is more to this.
>
> Friends,
Now let's look into what is important in this exposition concerning Thalidomide. here is a link to an article that could bring out some of what I intend to present here to show what the "old" drug was.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Thalidomide, Otto Ambros].
The posting date is Feb 8, 2009 and is usually the first one
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 21:27:45
In reply to Re: Lou's response-pleezdhone » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2012, at 20:26:06
> Only l left in three post rule. Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote the above....cute
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 10, 2012, at 7:50:28
In reply to Lou's response-ohdoduzthalldomyd, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 21:13:37
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds just as bad for withdrawls. With my luck I would get the horrible withdrawls. That is why I am still on paxil.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the other couple of SSRI's gave me a bit of grief though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you know about Pristiq??
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote,[...What do you know about Pristiq??...].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq is a new name for a synthetic verion of a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in my study of {nerve agents}, that gave me the knowledge to understand the mechanism of psychotropic drugs and the chemicals used to make them. There is also the facts concerning those chemists that developed {Sarin} that also led to the development of psychotropic drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me so that I can not tell you what I know here, as you have requested. The prohibitions to me can be seen on the administrative board. These prohibitions exist, even though what I could post could be for education and support, for if what I know aabout these drugs could be posted here, IMHHHHHO lives could be saved and there could be the prevention of life-ruining conditions given to some by these drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > > > What I know about these drugs IMHO could change your life. Let us go on about this drug that themanufcturers call Pristiq. In order to undertsnad the chemistry of this drug I need a whole lot of time and space. Mr. Hsiung's 3-consecutive post rule here can stop me from posting unless another after my 3 posts ,posts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > But let's go on as far as we can here. First, there is a chemical called piperidine. It is found in pepper plants and other places but cn be synthesized. Poison Hemlock has it in it and is used as a poison. This chemical can be found in many psychotropic drugs. Then there is phenethylamine, which comes from a mushroom that is found in many psychotropic drugs, but can be synthesized.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then there are those chemicals from coal-tar. The chemical used in mass-muder that I described here came from coal-tar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now chemists couls put these together in different proportions and get psychoactive chemicals, rat poison, dyes, insecticides, worm-killers and such. And then there is fluoride which is in Sarin nerve gas and prozac and paxil and celexa and Luvox and lexapro and other drugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking at the coal tars, I would like for you to do a search on {phenol}. Wikipedia could be a good one. Then I could tell you the rest what I know about this drug, it's comparison to the old drug and who made it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to that phenol was used as the drug for executing Jews.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now a lot of my knowledge concerning these drugs comes from the ranscripts of the crooss-examination of war criminals. These transcripts are available on the net but there are prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from posting lot concerning thiis. You may see some of this on the administraive board.
> > > > > > > > > > > But going on, to see this article:
> > > > > > > > > > > A. Puull up Google
> > > > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > > > [...Killing with syringes;Phenol injections]
> > > > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > > > > Now there is a video that you can see and if you read what is under the video, there could be more substantiation of the use of phenol to murder Jews.
> > > > > > > > > > > To see this video:
> > > > > > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > > > > > [youtube, Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial]
> > > > > > > > > > > posted on June 23 2005
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > Now phenol AKA carbolic acid, when in the body can be poisonous. Now phenol is a building block of soe psychoctive compunds that I intend to show you what psychotropic drugs have those compounds in theit chemical make up.
> > > > > > > > > > Be advised that there are numerouus prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that could cloud my responses and it could take a lot of space and time to develop what I would like for you to know.
> > > > > > > > > > Now if we look at another drug, I could have the opportunity to show you what I intend for you to know concerning the "old" drug that I have mentioned. First, I would like to look at {thalidomine}. I will show you where this drug came from, what the chemical make up is, and then show you what could be unbeknownst to you in relation to the topic at hand.
> > > > > > > > > > But first let me say that not all people will {feel} supported by what I write here, but the TOS here states that not all people will feel supported here. My understanding of support is not the same as {reinforcement}. If you are looking for reinforcement, there are others to look to for that, for I am here to save lives and offer to those that would like a way to overcome depression and addiction that may not be your way.
> > > > > > > > > > I intend to let you know things and go on, unless the rule of 3 applies
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > now going on, thalidomide is in this discussion and you could wonder what this is about. Well, the knowledge that I want to share with you involves thalidomide in relation to SARIN.
> > > > > > > > > You see, sarin is nerve agenet used in mass-murder. But what does that have to do with thalidomide, you could ask? And how can this all be related to this discussion?
> > > > > > > > > Well, I will go on to explain that unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > Now I would like to introduce to you two items in the exposition here that go to what will be revealed.
> > > > > > > > The first is the pharmaceutical co. named Grunenthal GmbH. The second is a man whose name is in my subject lines here in this thread. This may also give you a clue on my code here. If you do not see his name, it is Otto Ambros.
> > > > > > > > Now Otto was a doctorate chemist that I will post more about here, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Now I would like for you to view the following video. If you could, then the knowledge in the video could be used in my further development of this exposition for there to be the understanding of the subject at hand, which is the "old" drug.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > [youtube, Nuremburg Case #6 I.G. Farben]
> > > > > > > posted on Jan 11 2009 time is 7 min
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Now we have a master chemist, Otto Ambros, a convivted war-criminal. He worked for I.G. Farben. And after he was let out of prison, he worked for other chemical companies. You see, this all is involved with phenol, I.G. Farben, thalidomide, Gruenthal, Sarin, and the rest that I have introduced here in this exposition. This is all because of the drug Effexor /Pristiiq as being in a want for information by a member here.
> > > > > > Now it is very complicated for me to trace what Otto Ambros did in his laboratory. But I have studied deep into this and the member's question concerning Effexor/Pristiq has great merit here for enlightenment about these mind-altering drugs.
> > > > > > Here is an article about Otto Ambros
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Ambros
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Here is a link about Effexor as to if it can actually cause depresssion.
> > > > > Now I ask you to make a determination on your own as to if you want to have this chemical in your system if you are looking for the drug to get you out of depression. Then I intend to continue to expose the issues at hand here to you so that (redacted by respondent), unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
> > > >
> > > > correctio:
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/depression
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Now we have a period of time where a chemist is making a nerve agent used in mass-murder. This nerve agent, Sarin, was originally developed as an insecticide. Later, {Tabun}, another nerve agent was developed and Otto Anbros was one of the developers. So Otto Ambros was working with Sarin and Tabun. So what, you may say. Well, there is evidence that Otto was working on a drug to be an antidote to Sarin. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
> > > I will come back to that, but let us look at {phenol}.
> > > When {phenyl} is bonded to a hydroxyl group, you get {phenol}. I know this could be complicated, but I will try to make this as simple as possible without giving a lecture in organic chemistry. Someone here asked about my background in chemistry. I studied undergraduate chemistry, but not organic chemistry. I taught myself organic chemistry in graduate school while working toward a doctorate in an unrelated field, that I did not finish, which may account for being simplistic here.
> > > Now {phenyl} and {benzene} are closly related and {phenyl} compounds are made from {benzene}.
> > > Now we know something about {benzene} as in {benzodiazepines}. And these compounds can cause damage to the liver, kidneys and heart and other central nervous system issues and death. A very simple compound here is {phenol} which is {phenyl} bonded to a hydroxyl group.
> > > Now how does this fit into the introduction here of sarin, tabun, and I.G. Farben and {thalidomide}? And the "old" drug?
> > > I intend to reveal this here, unless the rule of three applies.
> > > Lou
> > >
> > Friends,
> > Now let me introduce the {peperidines}. Found naturally in pepper plants and poison hemloc and other naturally occuring plants and such. Usually synthesized, though.
> > What is important here for you to undestand what the "old" drug here is, is that peperidines are used in the production of rubber. hummmmmmmmmm.
> > And also in the production of;
> > Paxil
> > Risperidone
> > Ritalin
> > Haldol
> > Thioridazin
> > Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> > So let us go on. Now I am coming to an important point here for understndingg to take place concerning this exposition. There are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy has the function to do his wishes also. One of the prohibitions to me concerns I.G. Farben.
> > To see Mr. Hsiung's post to me:
> > A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page
> > B. Type in:
> > [Dr Bob, I.G. Farben, please don't, Lou]
> > This usually is first and you will see my post. Then under my post is Mr. Hsiung's post to me. There is more to this.
> >
> > Friends,
> Now let's look into what is important in this exposition concerning Thalidomide. here is a link to an article that could bring out some of what I intend to present here to show what the "old" drug was.
> Lou
> To see this article:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Thalidomide, Otto Ambros].
> The posting date is Feb 8, 2009 and is usually the first one
>
> Friends,
Here is an article that could be used as refrence in the rest of my response here. I intend to connect this to the topic at hand, unless the rule of three applies.
Lou
To see this rticle;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Spitfire list | FTR # 664]
Now it is usually first but the clue is that in the subject line there is {Part 6}
posted on March 17 2009
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2012, at 13:07:05
In reply to Lou's response-ohdoh » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 20:29:02
> Pristiq uses the main chemical that was used to murder millions of Jews which included possibly 1/2 million Jewish children by this method. The chemical was the chief means of execution at one time by injection into the heart.
> Now Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to meOne of those prohibitions is:
> I think it might be conducive to civic harmony if you don't post anything about Nazis, thanks.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20071106/msgs/808967.html
I think I need to extend that now:
Please don't post anything that refers to Nazis or the Holocaust.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2012, at 11:25:28
In reply to Lou's reply-duzurchwngumluzitzflavronthebdpostovr » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2012, at 21:27:45
> > Only l left in three post rule. Phillipa
>
> Phillipa,
> You wrote the above....cute
> LouFriends,
I intended to develop this exposition to its logical conclusion which my intent was to give you information which one could use in making a decision as to take the drug in question or not.
Now Mr. Hsiung has made a very broad prohibition to me here that (redacted by respondent) conclusion of mine.
Be advised that I had posted a response to Mr. Hsiung in this thread and it now is on the administrative board. If you could go there, and post there, I then could have the opportunity to post my response to you there.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2012, at 21:06:12
In reply to Lou's reply-psivckharmo, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2012, at 11:25:28
> > > Only l left in three post rule. Phillipa
> >
> > Phillipa,
> > You wrote the above....cute
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> I intended to develop this exposition to its logical conclusion which my intent was to give you information which one could use in making a decision as to take the drug in question or not.
> Now Mr. Hsiung has made a very broad prohibition to me here that (redacted by respondent) conclusion of mine.
> Be advised that I had posted a response to Mr. Hsiung in this thread and it now is on the administrative board. If you could go there, and post there, I then could have the opportunity to post my response to you there.
> Lou
>Friends,
The drug in question is not one that I have previous mentioned.
I now want to give facts about opiates. Opiates come from 2 poppy plants that include morphine, codiene and thebaine. Then there are semi-synthetic opiates such as herione, oxycodone and such.
Then there are pure synthetic opiates called opioides. These are usually similar to codiene. But they have a greater addiction/withdrawal syndrome that has more features such as siezures.
more to come...
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2012, at 21:28:01
In reply to Lou's reply-, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2012, at 21:06:12
> > > > Only l left in three post rule. Phillipa
> > >
> > > Phillipa,
> > > You wrote the above....cute
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > I intended to develop this exposition to its logical conclusion which my intent was to give you information which one could use in making a decision as to take the drug in question or not.
> > Now Mr. Hsiung has made a very broad prohibition to me here that (redacted by respondent) conclusion of mine.
> > Be advised that I had posted a response to Mr. Hsiung in this thread and it now is on the administrative board. If you could go there, and post there, I then could have the opportunity to post my response to you there.
> > Lou
> >
>
> Friends,
> The drug in question is not one that I have previous mentioned.
> I now want to give facts about opiates. Opiates come from 2 poppy plants that include morphine, codiene and thebaine. Then there are semi-synthetic opiates such as herione, oxycodone and such.
> Then there are pure synthetic opiates called opioides. These are usually similar to codiene. But they have a greater addiction/withdrawal syndrome that has more features such as siezures.
> more to come...
> LouFriends,
Now the chemical nature of synthetic opiates, opioides, predates the advent of Effexor/Pristiq by a long time. The chemical structure of an old opioid is as follows without the numbers:
[dimethylamino, methylphenyl, cyclohexanol]
cyclohexanol is hydrogenated {phenol}.
Now let us look at the structure of Effexor
[dimethylamino, methoxyphenyl, ethyl,cyclohexanol]
You see, Effexor is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
Now here is the chemical structure of Pristiq
[dimethylamino, hydroxycyclohexylethyl phenol]
Now here is the chemical structure for TRAMADOL
dimethylamino, methoxyphenyl,cyclohexanol]
QED
Lou
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 14, 2012, at 17:10:43
In reply to Lou's response-efex/pris/tram, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2012, at 21:28:01
>QED
Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:43:40
In reply to Re: Lou's response-efex/pris/tram » Lou Pilder, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 14, 2012, at 17:10:43
> >QED
>
> Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
>
> ed,
You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
Lou
http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
Posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 19:52:38
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:43:40
> > >QED
> >
> > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
> >
> > ed,
> You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> Lou
> http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
Oh, no! All of these compounds have oxygen in them!
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:58:57
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:43:40
> > >QED
> >
> > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
> >
> > ed,
> You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> Lou
> http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
>
> Friends,
Here is a link to another article that I think could fit into this discussion.
Lou
http://www.mendeley.com/research/similar-effects-tramadol-venlafaxine-major-depressive-disorder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 20:34:00
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:43:40
> > >QED
> >
> > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
> >
> > ed,
> You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> Lou
> http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
> correction:
http://opioids.com//tramadol/antidepressant.html
>
Posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 21:04:05
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-structural similarities, posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 19:52:38
> > > >QED
> > >
> > > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.> > > ed,
> > You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> > Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> > Lou
> > http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm> Oh, no! All of these compounds have oxygen in them!
Ozone is a toxic substance that is composed entirely of oxygen. How can this be? Isn't oxygen good for us?
Oh, I see. It depends upon the three-dimensional structure of the component atoms and their chemical bonds. It is a good thing that I studied chemistry in college. I was almost ready to stop breathing.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 15, 2012, at 14:33:27
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 19:43:40
Tramadol acts as a weak reuptake inhibitor, yes, but Effexor is not an opioid.
Laney asked about Effexor. Although Effexor has some structural similarities to tramadol, Effexor has no activity as an opioid agonist.
Riddles aside, exactly what point are you trying to make? Effexor's structural similarity to tramadol is irrelevant. Effexor's withdrawal symptoms are typical of SNRIs. It is not an opioid.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2012, at 16:33:46
In reply to correction- Lou's reply-structural similarities, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 20:34:00
> > > >QED
> > >
> > > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
> > >
> > > ed,
> > You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> > Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> > Lou
> > http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
> > correction:
> http://opioids.com//tramadol/antidepressant.html
> >
> Friends,
Here is a link that could be helpful IMHHO in this discusssion for those interested.
Lou
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/venlafaxine-opioidergic.htm
>
Posted by SLS on February 16, 2012, at 2:56:09
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities-opioidergic, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2012, at 16:33:46
> > Friends,
> Here is a link that could be helpful IMHHO in this discusssion for those interested.
> Lou
> http://www.biopsychiatry.com/venlafaxine-opioidergic.htmLou.
I cannot begin to explain to you how much this article argues against Effexor having a direct effect on the opioid receptor. What the article does demonstrate is that an intact opioid system is necessary for Effexor to exert its analgesic properties.
Other studies suggest that net effect of antidepressant antinociception involves a release of opioid rather than direct receptor agonism. Even the therapeutic actions of antidepressants seem to depend on an intact opioid system. Brain circuits do not exist in a vacuum.
I posted the abstract below, just in case anyone would like to review it.
- Scott
-------------------------------------------http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16462101
Yakugaku Zasshi. 2006 Feb;126(2):117-21.Role of the opioidergic system and nitric oxide in the analgesic effect of venlafaxine.
Gültekin H, Ahmedov V.
SourceDepartment of Pharmacology, Erciyes University School of Medicine, Kayseri, Turkey. hgultekin@erciyes.edu.tr
Abstract
The noradrenalin and serotonin re-uptake inhibitor venlafaxine has an analgesic effect that is independent of its antidepressant activity; however, the mechanism of this effect remains to be elucidated. This study was performed to investigate the possible roles of the opioidergic system and nitric oxide (NO) pathway in the analgesic effect of venlafaxine. Eighty Wistar rats of both sexes were allocated to 10 groups. The hot plate test was used to assess the antinociceptive/analgesic effect. The temperature of the hot plate was adjusted to 52.5+/-1 degrees C, the cut-off period was set to be 50 sec; licking of the hind paw was used as a sign of pain perception. Venlafaxine alone (25 mg/kg) showed marked analgesic activity (p<0.05). N-omega-nitro-L-arginine (L-NOARG) alone (20 mg/kg) and naloxone alone (2 mg/kg and 4 mg/kg) showed no analgesic activity (p>0.05). Coadministration of low-dose naloxone (2 mg/kg) and both doses of L-NOARG (20 and 40 mg/kg) with venlafaxine (25 mg/kg) did not modify the analgesic effect but high-dose naloxone (4 mg/kg) decreased it significantly (p<0.05). In conclusion, these results suggest that the opioidergic system but not the NO pathway has a role in the analgesic effect of venlafaxine.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2012, at 6:09:38
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities-opioidergic, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2012, at 16:33:46
> > > > >QED
> > > >
> > > > Hardly. In spite of structural similarities, Effexor has an entirely different pharmacology to opioids. It is an SNRI, not a mu opioid agonist.
> > > >
> > > > ed,
> > > You wrote,[...structural similarities...].
> > > Here is a link to an article that could fit into this discussion.
> > > Lou
> > > http://opiods.com/tramadol/antidepressant.htm
> > > correction:
> > http://opioids.com//tramadol/antidepressant.html
> > >
> > Friends,
> Here is a link that could be helpful IMHHO in this discusssion for those interested.
> Lou
> http://www.biopsychiatry.com/venlafaxine-opioidergic.htm
> >
> Friends,
I had to leave a lot out of my exposition here due to the posted prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung. Without the use of the prohibited material, I could not connect all of what I needed to show the consequences to the taker of these drugs as concerning addiction, withdrawal and death.
What I needed to introduce into the discussion concerned a particular type of opioid. This type of opioid is called a {phenylpiperidine} opioid. These type of opioids were found in the body of Anna Nicole Smith and her son that could have played a part in their deaths. These type of opioids are greatly addictive and the withdrawal has been described as much greater than the withdrawal from opium in the natural state such as morphine and codeine.
Now I also needed to introduce the drug, thalidomide, that can cause mutations. All of this could have opened up a wealth of educational material, IMHO, for those considering to take the drugs Effexor/Prisiq, or Tramadol. If you would like for me to have the freedom to post what is in the historical record concerning these drugs, and want Mr. Hsiung to lift his prohibition to me here, let me know by posting on the administartive board, not here. I think that lives could be saved and people could avoid a life-riuining condition if I was afforded the freedom to post here what is being prohiibited by Mr Hsiung to me, what is educational by the definition of education.
Lou
>
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2012, at 1:44:21
In reply to Lou's reply-structural similarities-phenylpiperidi, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2012, at 6:09:38
> I had to leave a lot out of my exposition here due to the posted prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung.
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding administrative issues to Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1010788.html
That will be considered a new thread, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there.
Please do feel free to continue the discussion about antidepressants here.
Thanks,
Bob
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