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Posted by violette on July 29, 2010, at 21:44:40
In reply to Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by Phillipa on July 29, 2010, at 13:52:11
It sounds like someone truly believes in you-that in itself can be healing...and maybe you could transfer that to believing in yourself.
That was a very intimate and sweet thing to say.
Posted by manic666 on July 30, 2010, at 5:07:12
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » Phillipa, posted by violette on July 29, 2010, at 21:44:40
Why are you listening to you ex husband,why not try asking the one you have now.If he is so cool why is he your ex???? You have been offered an given new meds but never have the bottle to take them, you take vertually no benzo,s so stop. The luvox is so old it probualy works against you. You dont need meds you need a life. Why are you always bored ,Get out there an do something instead of dreaming about ex husbands an cosmetic surgery.Im not attacking you just telling it like it is, If the luvox dont work .An it carnt or you would not be asking every one on babble if there med works an what are the side effects.you are never going to take another mental med so stop an have a beer instead.it may not get your old husband back but it may cheer you up
Posted by chujoe on July 30, 2010, at 5:53:13
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by manic666 on July 30, 2010, at 5:07:12
Choices are what make us human & ain't that a bitch? Nobody can tell you what you should do, though they can offer their perspective of course. I don't know you so I wouldn't presume to offer advice one way or the other except to say, Make a choice you believe in & move forward. What if you got off meds? What's the worst that could happen? You could feel like sh*t & decide to go back on. And if you stay on meds? What's that mean in your life? Are they keeping you from moving forward?
Posted by TriedEveryMedication on July 30, 2010, at 13:39:27
In reply to Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by Phillipa on July 29, 2010, at 13:52:11
I'm on the verge of giving up trying to find a med that works for me entirely.
nothing has really made my quality of life any better and most have made it worse.
Posted by bleauberry on July 30, 2010, at 18:56:07
In reply to Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by Phillipa on July 29, 2010, at 13:52:11
It is impossible to come to peace with the damage from Lyme and a lifetime of being on meds. Well, you can come to a place of spiritual peace about it, sure. But in terms of day to day living, no, you have to utilize every tool you can find that improves quality of life. Whether that be meds, plants, foods, herbs, hormones, whatever. The body has amazing ability to adjust, so with a slow careful wean you could indeed ditch your meds. Maybe a good idea, maybe not. But for sure, I doubt seriously you would be able to function without some kind of replacement. Actually a replacement would probably be a good idea. But to go without any assistance at all? That person sounds maybe more mentally unstable than some of us. LOL.
Posted by Phillipa on July 30, 2010, at 20:25:05
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by bleauberry on July 30, 2010, at 18:56:07
Oh no my ex is the most stable man I've ever know. He's responsible for when married he got me off all meds and even alchohol just by being him and so supportive. 16 years older he has an 8 year degree also and has worked in 20 countries. Many I was lucky enough to visit with him. We have been e-mailing back and forth for quite a few days and he has such a calming effect. My ex pdoc the best I ever had said he was the best thing that ever happened to me. I messed it up. Phillipa ps he's a very wise man.
Posted by 8675309 on July 31, 2010, at 12:46:58
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on July 30, 2010, at 20:25:05
> Oh no my ex is the most stable man I've ever know. He's responsible for when married he got me off all meds and even alchohol just by being him and so supportive. 16 years older he has an 8 year degree also and has worked in 20 countries. Many I was lucky enough to visit with him. We have been e-mailing back and forth for quite a few days and he has such a calming effect. My ex pdoc the best I ever had said he was the best thing that ever happened to me. I messed it up. Phillipa ps he's a very wise man.
If he is wise, follow his advisement?
Posted by manic666 on July 31, 2010, at 14:29:42
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on July 30, 2010, at 20:25:05
16 years older than you??????????? that makes him 80 something, are you sure he aint got Dementia
Posted by europerep on July 31, 2010, at 15:59:03
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » Phillipa, posted by violette on July 29, 2010, at 21:44:40
> That was a very intimate and sweet thing to say.I find that depends on who it comes from. if she hasn't spoken to him in 20 years and he just popped it out like that, I'd find it quite disrespectful, because he cares more about his personal views of psychiatry than about how she feels.. if it was preceded by questions such as "how do you feel" and "how has your life changed since you decided to go on them", that would be something different...
Posted by Phillipa on July 31, 2010, at 20:29:17
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by europerep on July 31, 2010, at 15:59:03
We met again on facebook my grown kids are also friends of his and his kids also. We just started e-mailing multiple times a day and one question led to the other. His health etc. And his Mother lived to be 103 and never dementia. I knew her at age 93 and she was up and about and serving tea in Switzerland daily. He also worked in Belgium up til 2000. Then he retired to the Mountains. Phillipa
Posted by Willful on August 2, 2010, at 10:52:40
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » europerep, posted by Phillipa on July 31, 2010, at 20:29:17
The issue isn't what Tom, Dick, or Mary thinks you should do-- someone is always telling you to do something that sounds like they had no acquaintance with you or your life-- and you always seem don't know what to do.
Why should you listen to us, rather than the random Doc in the emergency room, or your ex husband of 20 years who, however wise he may be, doesn't know you now--?
I think others have made the point that you can poll the world, but unless you have your own point of view and can make a reasoned decision for yourself, all that advice is useless.
What you think you should do is always the question you seem afraid to confront-- and yet constantly seem to want someone else to tell you--
Willful
Posted by 8675309 on August 2, 2010, at 11:41:41
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by Willful on August 2, 2010, at 10:52:40
Not knowing what to do + lacking decision making skills is a great excuse for not doing anything. Doing the same over and over and expecting something different defies rational thought.
Posted by 8675309 on August 2, 2010, at 11:51:16
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » europerep, posted by Phillipa on July 31, 2010, at 20:29:17
Are you interested in the information ppl post to you here about medications or is this more about beginning idle conversations because of boredom and for social needs?
Posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 12:28:48
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » Phillipa, posted by 8675309 on August 2, 2010, at 11:51:16
Weighing all options. Pdoc says one thing, people who know me in real life another. I feel this is the wisest thing to do. Not just jump on the bandwagon so to speak without full investigation. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on August 2, 2010, at 13:15:15
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » 8675309, posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 12:28:48
you have been weighing up the options for ten years an still on the same meds.You answer posters questions with a question most times..They want help not you asking what meds there takeing an is it working.No is the answer thats why there asking.The p doc put you on lexapro not long ago, the same p,doc you say is cool , you had no side effects but against the p doc,s advice you stopped takeing them an kept your luvox that hasnt worked in years but your to scared to tapper off. You wont listen to your 80 more year old mountain man ex husband.You will do just what you always have ,nothing but answer every post on babble with a question for the poster about THERE meds
Posted by violette on August 2, 2010, at 13:30:23
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » 8675309, posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 12:28:48
Phillipa,
Do you think it would be good for you to keep talking with your ex-husband? I don't know your whole situation but have read some of your past posts. I think he could be a mentor for you through understanding, encouragement, and support.
I know what it's like to experience emotional abuse. And if you are around that for long enough, the abuser's words will take over your superego-eventually you internalize those words.
On the other hand, if you have someone close to you who believes in you-you can internalize that too, and believe in yourself. You could also find more of that with a social group through volunteer work....people who see the positives in you and through mutual joy of being in such relationships.
This concept is a large component of how psychotherapy works. It is truly transforming to have someone who accepts you with positive regard and understanding and who sees your strengths. It's a different kind of love. But you can have some of those effects if you surround yourself with people who view you in that light.
:)
BTW-please don't feel you have to justify your questions, actions, or decisions to anyone here. I view you as a thoughtful, intelligent, empathetic, caring person, and someone who might benefit from some encouragement, but also someone who has the ability to experience the joys of life.
Posted by bleauberry on August 2, 2010, at 19:57:36
In reply to Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by Phillipa on July 29, 2010, at 13:52:11
With or without some special friend to make it easier to get off meds, I think it would actually be a good idea to very slowly wean off all your meds in very tiny steps. Without any goal in mind. For one purpose only....just to see what your baseline, to see what happens. It's been so long you really don't know what your baseline is. And then if you feel the need to go on meds, at least you will have the freedom to go down new roads and not be stuck on the same ones you've had for so many years.
Back to the special friend thing though.. This is an ex? Does your hubby know about this? I hope so, cuz otherwise that aint cool at all. If it is secret behind your hubby's back, you gotta cut off that secret relationship immediately and completely. That is, unless you are looking for a new relationship and wouldn't mind seeing yourself divorced.
Posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 20:40:47
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by bleauberry on August 2, 2010, at 19:57:36
Oh he knows my husband that is and is very supportive of this. In fact he also reads the e-mails. So no secrets at all. For many years before babble I did not do well on any meds other than benzos and they worked well. Seems the less I take now the better. Get more out of excercise. Funny thing happened today the real life neighbor person had taken neuropsych testing and that person said she was extremely bipolar. Boy was she angry as she's not. Saw her pdoc today who said no antidepressants for you continue on your 6mg of xanax. My pdoc has wanted me on higher doses of benzos for years not ad's. It was my own suggestion to try the lexapro. She said if you want to try you can. Just take a small dose. They are finding what used to be considered theraputic is now considred to high. I have a mind of my own, can think, and don't have memory issues from benzos even after 40 years. Blue like your baseline idea. Will continue to support others as learned while nursing. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on August 3, 2010, at 4:00:12
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 20:40:47
phillipa tell the posters when you last were a nurse. An why you havent ever gone back to it,many nurses are on ad,s ,many docs are on ad,s,.the lady that took my blood was on effexor. my sister in law who has had 3 breakdowns, is on ads an work,s in hospital collecting blood samples.So what stopped you going back,only the right ad it seem,s,You never worked with modern meds,Its light years since you were a nurse why keep bring that up its of no use to anyone but your memories
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 3, 2010, at 15:01:23
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on August 2, 2010, at 20:40:47
>My pdoc has wanted me on higher doses of benzos for years not ad's.
What is the rationale here?
>It was my own suggestion to try the lexapro. She said if you want to try you can. Just take a small dose.
Since you haven't stopped Luvox, she will advise a small dose of Lexapro. This does not mean that very small doses of Lexapro are optimal.
>They are finding what used to be considered theraputic is now considred to high.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. 10mg of Lexapro remains the recommended therapeutic dose for most people. Lower doses have not been demonstrated to be optimal in trials.
>Blue like your baseline idea.
That would involve coming off Luvox and benzos. You told me a few days ago that you do not wish to stop taking either of these meds. I really think you need to be more decisive. At the moment, I do not think it would be wise to stop the benzos. I do, however, believe that you will be able to stop the Luvox relatively easily once you are on a therapeutic dose of Lexapro.
>Will continue to support others as learned while nursing.
That's a noble aim. But shouldn't you focus on getting yourself well first?
Posted by Phillipa on August 3, 2010, at 20:47:23
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by manic666 on August 3, 2010, at 4:00:12
Not that I'm obligated to but will share. Nursed on paxil l0mg which at the time worked well with a benzo and synthroid. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on August 4, 2010, at 4:40:18
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » manic666, posted by Phillipa on August 3, 2010, at 20:47:23
I didnt ask you what meds you were on.I asked how long since you were a nurse.20 YEARS ,40 YEARS you were a nurse not a psychiatrist,what info could you give a poster on babble today from that far back.You were pentioned off,why was that.An you have had all these years to go back into nurseing but you havent. A good nurse makes it her vocation in life to look after patients.near on every thread you mention you were a nurse. Then deem to ask a poster for advice on there med, which they are asking us advice on.You carnt advise people to try a med. if you wont take the same one yourself. You told me yourself you are adicted to posting on babble, an indeed babble its self.like ed says while you read negative med posts an not positive ones,you will spent you life with your face up against the computer 24.7. i never hear you spent a week in bed or i carnt move from the house,people on hear disappear from time to time .WHY because there ill an carnt post , they come back when remission lets them.You are not ill in same way,you are not looking to be cured for anything ,babble is simply the only thing you have in life, an addiction, worse than any drug ever made
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 5, 2010, at 15:18:13
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In » Phillipa, posted by violette on August 2, 2010, at 13:30:23
> if you have someone close to you who believes in you-you can internalize that too, and believe in yourself. You could also find more of that with a social group through volunteer work....people who see the positives in you and through mutual joy of being in such relationships.
>
> This concept is a large component of how psychotherapy works. It is truly transforming to have someone who accepts you with positive regard and understanding and who sees your strengths. It's a different kind of love. But you can have some of those effects if you surround yourself with people who view you in that light.Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups not about medication to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20100716/msgs/957304.html
Please do feel free to continue this discussion there, and in general to explore the other boards here.
That will be considered a new thread, however, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 5, 2010, at 18:32:16
In reply to Re: Was Told To Take No More Meds From Someone In, posted by manic666 on August 4, 2010, at 4:40:18
> Not knowing what to do + lacking decision making skills is a great excuse for not doing anything. Doing the same over and over and expecting something different defies rational thought.
>
> 8675309> you were a nurse not a psychiatrist,what info could you give a poster on babble today from that far back. ... you are not looking to be cured for anything ,babble is simply the only thing you have in life
>
> manic666Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforcePhillipa, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2010, at 1:46:39
In reply to Re: please be civil » 8675309 » manic666, posted by Dr. Bob on August 5, 2010, at 18:32:16
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100714/msgs/957435.html
Bob
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