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Posted by janejane on January 12, 2010, at 13:26:42
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by hopefullynow on January 12, 2010, at 12:49:35
Well said, hopefullynow. I feel like a valuable voice is lost without bleauberry adding his unique viewpoint. Not only does he know a lot about alternative treatments, but meds and combos too. He always makes you think about stuff you wouldn't otherwise, and gives a broader perspective.
Posted by Jeroen on January 12, 2010, at 13:28:59
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by hopefullynow on January 12, 2010, at 12:49:35
yes you're the one who believed in virus
that caused my illness, sounds logic
i also liked your get the f off seroquel treath
so come back, please
Posted by bulldog2 on January 12, 2010, at 18:05:52
In reply to Blueaberry Please come back, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2010, at 13:38:31
> Blue probably spelled wrong please come back a lot of babbler's miss you me included. Love Phillipa
Sometimes a poster leaves because it is in their best interest. We have seen people come and go for many reasons. Often they just come to have their questions answered and disappear. That is a shame as it would be nice if they tried to stay and help people.
That is not the case with Bleauberry as he did his best to answer questions in detail. Perhaps he needs to get away from here. In some ways this is a place of the sick and maybe his healing requires a more positive environment. Maybe he's on vacation. But whatever his reasons it's best that he does what will help achieve his remission.
Posted by janejane on January 12, 2010, at 22:02:13
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 12, 2010, at 18:05:52
> Sometimes a poster leaves because it is in their best interest. We have seen people come and go for many reasons. Often they just come to have their questions answered and disappear. That is a shame as it would be nice if they tried to stay and help people.
> That is not the case with Bleauberry as he did his best to answer questions in detail. Perhaps he needs to get away from here. In some ways this is a place of the sick and maybe his healing requires a more positive environment. Maybe he's on vacation. But whatever his reasons it's best that he does what will help achieve his remission.Unfortunately, those are not the reasons. See here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20091217/msgs/930702.html#930702
Then here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/admin/20091103/msgs/931235.html#931235
Posted by hopefullynow on January 12, 2010, at 23:01:56
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 12, 2010, at 22:02:13
Unfortunately, I really don't see what did really wrong to be blocked.I saw bigger hassles in the past which reconciled easier.If the blocking week is gone, please return Bleauberry, there are a lot of Babblers who miss you :(.
> Unfortunately, those are not the reasons. See here:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20091217/msgs/930702.html#930702
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> Then here:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/admin/20091103/msgs/931235.html#931235
Posted by bulldog2 on January 13, 2010, at 15:46:03
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 12, 2010, at 22:02:13
> > Sometimes a poster leaves because it is in their best interest. We have seen people come and go for many reasons. Often they just come to have their questions answered and disappear. That is a shame as it would be nice if they tried to stay and help people.
> > That is not the case with Bleauberry as he did his best to answer questions in detail. Perhaps he needs to get away from here. In some ways this is a place of the sick and maybe his healing requires a more positive environment. Maybe he's on vacation. But whatever his reasons it's best that he does what will help achieve his remission.
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> Unfortunately, those are not the reasons. See here:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20091217/msgs/930702.html#930702
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> Then here:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/admin/20091103/msgs/931235.html#931235Unfortunately there was some truth in what the poster said. As of late almost every answer started with some good advice but he began to always go off on a tagent into his alternative theories. Now it is one thing to post them once as I cannot comment on their valididy. But it was beginning to gather resentment from some people that every post started in one direction with some good med advice and than veered off course into his other theories. He was becoming obsessed with these theories that some didn't even understand. Maybe they were more appropriate in the alt med section.
Posted by KaylaBear on January 13, 2010, at 16:31:01
In reply to Blueaberry Please come back, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2010, at 13:38:31
Bleauberry,
I've read quite a few of your posts while searching for medication information here, and I learned alot about my health, things doctors never advised me of (despite research) from what you had written in threads.
Thanks for all the information you have been providing. It leads me to other websites and research that link mental health symptoms with things I hadn't thought about. After reading the detailed information in some of your posts, I've taken your advice on a few occasions, and I really appreciate that you take the time to write them.
Posted by janejane on January 13, 2010, at 17:03:17
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 13, 2010, at 15:46:03
> Unfortunately there was some truth in what the poster said. As of late almost every answer started with some good advice but he began to always go off on a tagent into his alternative theories. Now it is one thing to post them once as I cannot comment on their valididy. But it was beginning to gather resentment from some people that every post started in one direction with some good med advice and than veered off course into his other theories. He was becoming obsessed with these theories that some didn't even understand. Maybe they were more appropriate in the alt med section.
I really appreciated Bleauberry's balanced approach. He knew a lot about meds and advocated their use, but also encouraged people to consider underlying problems they may have overlooked. And he knew a lot about alt treatments that many have probably never considered.
I have to admit that I used to be extremely skeptical of non-traditional approaches myself, but through Bleauberry and others have learned that there is some real science behind some of it, and potential benefit for many of us. I think that as time goes on, a lot more of this stuff will become mainstream. I think Bleauberry was quite good at evaluating what therapies actually had merit, and he was a great asset to babble in that regard.
I don't think it was possible for Bleauberry to put his answers in the alt section in those instances when the threads he was responding to were started here. And, although the information he shared might have seemed repetitive to frequent readers, I'm really glad he took the time to share it again with new posters. Otherwise, they probably would never have gotten exposed to it.
Posted by bulldog2 on January 13, 2010, at 18:24:58
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 13, 2010, at 17:03:17
> > Unfortunately there was some truth in what the poster said. As of late almost every answer started with some good advice but he began to always go off on a tagent into his alternative theories. Now it is one thing to post them once as I cannot comment on their valididy. But it was beginning to gather resentment from some people that every post started in one direction with some good med advice and than veered off course into his other theories. He was becoming obsessed with these theories that some didn't even understand. Maybe they were more appropriate in the alt med section.
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> I really appreciated Bleauberry's balanced approach. He knew a lot about meds and advocated their use, but also encouraged people to consider underlying problems they may have overlooked. And he knew a lot about alt treatments that many have probably never considered.
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> I have to admit that I used to be extremely skeptical of non-traditional approaches myself, but through Bleauberry and others have learned that there is some real science behind some of it, and potential benefit for many of us. I think that as time goes on, a lot more of this stuff will become mainstream. I think Bleauberry was quite good at evaluating what therapies actually had merit, and he was a great asset to babble in that regard.
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> I don't think it was possible for Bleauberry to put his answers in the alt section in those instances when the threads he was responding to were started here. And, although the information he shared might have seemed repetitive to frequent readers, I'm really glad he took the time to share it again with new posters. Otherwise, they probably would never have gotten exposed to it.I used to be a big believer in alt medicine but I have become a bit skeptical.Mercury Fillings, parasites, lyme's disease, antibiotics etc. Seriously anyone can have a theory and write a book that sounds promising. I read a book about silver will cure you of all ills. The problem is mainstream doctors will not listen to you. The alt docs who practice these theories are not covered by most of our insurances. Most of us do not have the money to pay out of pocket. In my area there are lots of alt docs but each has their own theories. So who do i believe? I'm not denying some of these things may be found true some day. But for most of us it just is not practical to go from alt doc to alt doc for their cures.
I had a dog dying of cancer who I took to an alt vet. He had bladder cancer and she said she could cure him without a problem.Well I went for the accupuncture, and bought all her expensive herbs and cancer food. Well he died in a month. I heard later the same thing from other people. The dogs were dying and not responding.There was a kung Fu master in my neighborhood who came down with pancreatic cancer at a relatively young age. he had practiced chinese medicine his whole life. He died very quickly in spite of chinese medicine and accupuncure.
I guess we are desparate for answers and cures. Unfortunately the answers are elusive and hard to find. So I have swung back to the mainstream. I will let hard science look for proven cures. In mental health that does not yet exist. For the majority of the seriously depressed, schizophrenic and other serious mental diseases the alt cures are not appropriate.
It makes good sense to eat a good diet and exercise but as many find that does not make us immune. We all have to pursue whatever path we feel is appropriate but beware of those who promise us silver bullets. They may empty your wallet and not deliver what was your expectation.
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:08:58
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 13, 2010, at 15:46:03
Bulldog perhaps others liked the info and it gave them food for thought? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:19:41
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:08:58
I myself had chronic lyme's disease and had been in the hospital a month a few years ago. BB led me to recently have the titer redone and still positive. I see doc next week. Also lymes disease leads to mental issues. It's prudent in my opinion for folks to rule it out it's merely a blood exam Western Blot shows the bands. Different bands mean different things and the amount of positive ones. Then you can have spinal fluid taps, brain MRI as I was given and of course antibiotics which did cause a Herx in me the rocephin IV did. Seems a lot of my latest nursing letters from webmd contain lots of alternative treatments for many mental health issue. Accupunture and massage being two. Phillipa
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 6:15:02
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 13, 2010, at 18:24:58
Yes, anybody can write a book that sounds promising, and desperate people sometimes fall victim to scams. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss all alt therapies just because there happen to be some charlatans out there. There is growing body of evidence for a lot of it, the problem is separating the good from the bad. That's why it's helpful to have people like Bleauberry advise us. It's pretty clear that he's done his homework and isn't promoting things blindly. The guys knows his stuff.
He also never suggested that alt treatments are the only answer. As mentioned before, he also knew a lot about meds and advocated their use. But he also encouraged a larger overall strategy, which I think could be useful for many of us who are not gaining full remission with meds. Here's an example of this viewpoint:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20091227/msgs/931784.html
Using the analogy he used in that post, I don't think he would encourage anyone to place all their money on any single treatment, alt or conventional. It's the idea of looking at the bigger picture that I really appreciated about Bleauberry. I don't think a lot of us do that enough.
Posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 7:47:32
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 6:15:02
> Yes, anybody can write a book that sounds promising, and desperate people sometimes fall victim to scams. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss all alt therapies just because there happen to be some charlatans out there. There is growing body of evidence for a lot of it, the problem is separating the good from the bad. That's why it's helpful to have people like Bleauberry advise us. It's pretty clear that he's done his homework and isn't promoting things blindly. The guys knows his stuff.
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> He also never suggested that alt treatments are the only answer. As mentioned before, he also knew a lot about meds and advocated their use. But he also encouraged a larger overall strategy, which I think could be useful for many of us who are not gaining full remission with meds. Here's an example of this viewpoint:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20091227/msgs/931784.html
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> Using the analogy he used in that post, I don't think he would encourage anyone to place all their money on any single treatment, alt or conventional. It's the idea of looking at the bigger picture that I really appreciated about Bleauberry. I don't think a lot of us do that enough.There is no way to do all your homework on these therapies. You can read their books. Almost none of these theories have been subjected to double blind testing which is the gold standard of established science.
I have not said they are not true and I know there is a bigger picture!! But rather than wandering aimlessly from alt doc to alt doc and spending money I personally do not have I will wait until some of these theories are subjected to scientific testing and proved.Also I have many more examples which I will not go into where exaggerated claims did not work in the real world. So in the haystack of alt med claims there are a some needles of truth. I guess after 40 years of searching I have given up.
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 8:36:54
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 7:47:32
I'm sorry that you've had so many bad experiences, bulldog2. It sounds like you feel very frustrated. For me, education is an important and empowering aspect of my treatment, even though the information is difficult to understand sometimes, and a lot of it is just plain over my head. There is so much out there that is probably bunk, and that's the very reason I'm glad there are people like Bleauberry to help us find those needles of truth in the haystack.
As for supporting evidence, I agree that not enough funding is going into alt stuff. There are some exceptions, though. (I find pubmed to be a excellent free source of info in this regard.) Of course, some would argue that there is bad science going on in the drug world too.
Posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 10:39:03
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 8:36:54
> I'm sorry that you've had so many bad experiences, bulldog2. It sounds like you feel very frustrated. For me, education is an important and empowering aspect of my treatment, even though the information is difficult to understand sometimes, and a lot of it is just plain over my head. There is so much out there that is probably bunk, and that's the very reason I'm glad there are people like Bleauberry to help us find those needles of truth in the haystack.
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> As for supporting evidence, I agree that not enough funding is going into alt stuff. There are some exceptions, though. (I find pubmed to be a excellent free source of info in this regard.) Of course, some would argue that there is bad science going on in the drug world too.Based on some of Bleauberry's tangents he is more like the haystack than the needles. Bleauberry to my knowledge has not had a great deal of relief from these treatments. At times he throws the entire kitchen sink out there. To your knowledge can you state that any of his theories has been proven in a double blind study?
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 10:57:37
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 10:39:03
> To your knowledge can you state that any of his theories has been proven in a double blind study?
Here's a study about an herb he recommended, that I came across recently:
Nord J Psychiatry. 2007;61(5):343-8.
Clinical trial of Rhodiola rosea L. extract SHR-5 in the treatment of mild to moderate depression.Darbinyan V, Aslanyan G, Amroyan E, Gabrielyan E, Malmström C, Panossian A.
Department of Neurology, Armenian State Medical University, Yerevan, Armenia.
Erratum in:
* Nord J Psychiatry. 2007;61(6):503.
The objective of this study was to assess the efficacy and safety of standardized extract SHR-5 of rhizomes of Rhodiola rosea L. in patients suffering from a current episode of mild/moderate depression. The phase III clinical trial was carried out as a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study with parallel groups over 6 weeks. Participants, males and females aged 18-70 years, were selected according to DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for depression, the severity of which was determined by scores gained in Beck Depression Inventory and Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAMD) questionnaires. Patients with initial HAMD scores between 21 and 31 were randomized into three groups, one of which (group A: 31 patients) received two tablets daily of SHR-5 (340 mg/day), a second (group B: 29 patients) received two tablets twice per day of SHR-5 (680 mg/day), and a third (group C: 29 patients) received two placebo tablets daily. The efficacy of SHR-5 extract with respect to depressive complaints was assessed on days 0 and 42 of the study period from total and specific subgroup HAMD scores. For individuals in groups A and B, overall depression, together with insomnia, emotional instability and somatization, but not self-esteem, improved significantly following medication, whilst the placebo group did not show such improvements. No serious side-effects were reported in any of the groups A-C. It is concluded that the standardized extract SHR-5 shows anti-depressive potency in patients with mild to moderate depression when administered in dosages of either 340 or 680 mg/day over a 6-week period.
PMID: 17990195 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 12:57:14
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 10:57:37
> > To your knowledge can you state that any of his theories has been proven in a double blind study?
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> Here's a study about an herb he recommended, that I came across recently:
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> Nord J Psychiatry. 2007;61(5):343-8.
> Clinical trial of Rhodiola rosea L. extract SHR-5 in the treatment of mild to moderate depression.
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> Darbinyan V, Aslanyan G, Amroyan E, Gabrielyan E, Malmström C, Panossian A.
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> Department of Neurology, Armenian State Medical University, Yerevan, Armenia.
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> Erratum in:
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> * Nord J Psychiatry. 2007;61(6):503.
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> The objective of this study was to assess the efficacy and safety of standardized extract SHR-5 of rhizomes of Rhodiola rosea L. in patients suffering from a current episode of mild/moderate depression. The phase III clinical trial was carried out as a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study with parallel groups over 6 weeks. Participants, males and females aged 18-70 years, were selected according to DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for depression, the severity of which was determined by scores gained in Beck Depression Inventory and Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAMD) questionnaires. Patients with initial HAMD scores between 21 and 31 were randomized into three groups, one of which (group A: 31 patients) received two tablets daily of SHR-5 (340 mg/day), a second (group B: 29 patients) received two tablets twice per day of SHR-5 (680 mg/day), and a third (group C: 29 patients) received two placebo tablets daily. The efficacy of SHR-5 extract with respect to depressive complaints was assessed on days 0 and 42 of the study period from total and specific subgroup HAMD scores. For individuals in groups A and B, overall depression, together with insomnia, emotional instability and somatization, but not self-esteem, improved significantly following medication, whilst the placebo group did not show such improvements. No serious side-effects were reported in any of the groups A-C. It is concluded that the standardized extract SHR-5 shows anti-depressive potency in patients with mild to moderate depression when administered in dosages of either 340 or 680 mg/day over a 6-week period.
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> PMID: 17990195 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]The problem is most people here are severe trd and most will not respond to st johns wort or rhodelia. Some may respond and some have reported good results. But the severely depressed need big guns. I know there are studies on sjw too. Can you studies that any of these alternative therapies work on the severely depressed trd people?
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:26:06
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 12:57:14
Here's one that supports the use of SJW for severe depression:
BMJ. 2005 Mar 5;330(7490):503. Epub 2005 Feb 11.
Acute treatment of moderate to severe depression with hypericum extract WS 5570 (St John's wort): randomised controlled double blind non-inferiority trial versus paroxetine.Szegedi A, Kohnen R, Dienel A, Kieser M.
Charité-Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Campus Benjamin Franklin, Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Eschenallee 3, 14050 Berlin, Germany.
Erratum in:
* BMJ. 2005 Apr 2;330(7494):759. Dosage error in article text.
Comment in:
* Evid Based Ment Health. 2005 Nov;8(4):107.
* Can Fam Physician. 2007 Sep;53(9):1511-3.OBJECTIVE: To investigate the efficacy of hypericum extract WS 5570 (St John's wort) compared with paroxetine in patients with moderate to severe major depression. DESIGN: Randomised double blind, double dummy, reference controlled, multicentre non-inferiority trial. SETTING: 21 psychiatric primary care practices in Germany. PARTICIPANTS: 251 adult outpatients with acute major depression with total score > or = 22 on the 17 item Hamilton depression scale. INTERVENTIONS: 900 mg/day hypericum extract WS 5570 three times a day or 20 mg paroxetine once a day for six weeks. In initial non-responders doses were increased to 1800 mg/day hypericum or 40 mg/day paroxetine after two weeks. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Change in score on Hamilton depression scale from baseline to day 42 (primary outcome). Secondary measures were change in scores on Montgomery-Asberg depression rating scale, clinical global impressions, and Beck depression inventory. RESULTS: The Hamilton depression total score decreased by mean 14.4 (SD 8.8) points, corresponding to 56.6% (SD 34.3%) of the baseline value, in the hypericum group and by 11.4 (SD 8.6) points (44.8% (SD 33.5%) of baseline value) in the paroxetine group (intention to treat analysis; similar results were observed in the per protocol analysis). The intention to treat analysis (lower one sided 97.5% confidence limit 1.5 points for the difference hypericum minus paroxetine) and the per protocol analysis (lower confidence limit 0.7 points) showed non-inferiority of hypericum and statistical superiority over paroxetine. The lower limits in both cases exceeded the pre-specified non-inferiority margin of -2.5 points and the superiority margin of 0. The incidence of adverse events was 0.035 and 0.060 events per day of exposure for hypericum and paroxetine, respectively. CONCLUSIONS: In the treatment of moderate to severe major depression, hypericum extract WS 5570 is at least as effective as paroxetine and is better tolerated.
PMID: 15708844 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID: PMC552808
By the way, there is one often-cited study that people use to show that SJW is no more effective as placebo. Larry Hoover had a great post about all the flaws in that study. You can probably find it if you do a search. One interesting thing was that it also found that zoloft was no more effective than placebo!
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:37:41
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:26:06
By the way, speaking of Larry Hoover (someone else who hasn't been around lately and who is also missed), he wrote a lot about amalgam if you want to search the archives. Really well-referenced and everything. There's a lot of scientific evidence behind it. One thing that I've picked up about mercury is that it doesn't affect people equally. I think I remember reading that there is actually a gene that is associated with people who happen to be poor detoxifiers of it. Interesting, isn't it? That might explain why some people don't seem to be affected by silver fillings, etc. so much while others develop problems.
Posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:40:08
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 12:57:14
Oops. That last post was supposed to be to bulldog2, not myself!
Posted by inanimate peanut on January 14, 2010, at 13:51:11
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:26:06
The scientific literature makes claims all the time that aren't based on double-blind studies. In fact, if those were the only studies we looked at, we wouldn't have many of the off-label uses that many of us benefit so much from on meds. For those, we look to placebo-controlled, randomized as our next standard. We have several "alternative" solutions that fall into that category. For example, the study on N-Acetyl Cysteine was placebo-controlled and randomized, which is as much as we can expect from many of the off-label meds we take.
Don't say that people on this board don't care about this, as it was recommended to me by someone prominent in this community and I now take it (and I have very severe depression). Sometimes there are people here who have very severe depression that may be controlled somewhat by medication and are looking for something to control the remainder of the symptoms. They may be interested in some alternatives. Now, I consider myself firmly in the camp that believes in medication, but I think that it's not bad once in a while to hear about alternatives. I don't expect NAC for instance to serve as my major antidepressant, but if it gets me even a millimeter closer to feeling normal, I'll take it!
I don't want to be in some big back and forth and I'm not defending anyone or anything, I just felt the need to add my 2 cents.
Posted by Sigismund on January 14, 2010, at 14:30:38
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 10:39:03
>Bleauberry to my knowledge has not had a great deal of relief from these treatments.
Which one of us has with any treatment (with the obvious exceptions)?
Posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 15:57:33
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by Sigismund on January 14, 2010, at 14:30:38
> >Bleauberry to my knowledge has not had a great deal of relief from these treatments.
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> Which one of us has with any treatment (with the obvious exceptions)?I think he was doing poorly. I may be wrong. There are some here on meds that do have periods of remission.
Posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 16:11:46
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back » bulldog2, posted by janejane on January 14, 2010, at 13:40:08
> Oops. That last post was supposed to be to bulldog2, not myself!
I think the bottom line is we all are just throwing the kitchen sink at this disease and hope that something works or partly work. So you use alt med as part of your arsenal. I use fish oil and sam-e at times to augment and a ton of vitamins and minerals. Trying to upgrade my diet.So I guess that's an alt med approach. But just not that impressed but still do it.
Science needs to crack the code of what causes depression. There are theories but none have been proven. Once there is definitive proof of what causes this disease there is a better chance of a cure be it better meds or whatever. Until than we are all really stumbling around.Sometimes if you are lucky you hit the right combo of things that really work.
Really no need to beat this thing to death. There is no right approach or wrong approach. Whatever works the best for you is the right approach. Bleauberry chose his own path.
I will just reiterate once more. There just was no reason to answer every post and than veer into his pet theories and ramble on. It just seemed that ever post he answered had to veer off onto his path. I think the poster who got pissed off had a right to his feelings. I will just say he was not the only poster who was getting a little upset. Now if you feel that Bleauberry should keep repeating the same things over and over that is your right.
Really time to drop this Janejane. You enjoyed reading his posts over and over and some did not.That's life.
Posted by Sigismund on January 14, 2010, at 16:43:15
In reply to Re: Blueaberry Please come back, posted by bulldog2 on January 14, 2010, at 16:11:46
>It just seemed that ever post he answered had to veer off onto his path
Yeah, you're right, but isn't this true of everyone?
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