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Posted by Larry Hoover on April 7, 2009, at 7:58:06
Phillipa, I think it might interest you a lot.
http://www.amenclinics.com/page/2/
That's not a static link, so in case you have to search a bit to find the page I'm referring to, it's "Hormones and Addictions: A Landmark Find", posted on March 4, 2009.
It's not just about addictions.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2009, at 13:16:42
In reply to Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by Larry Hoover on April 7, 2009, at 7:58:06
Lar so this bioidentical hormone stuff could be the answer at last? Seriously please respond as still trying to figure out will get the money for for this as not medicaire or any insurance covered? I don't need the amen clinic right? So the bloodwork this doc did and the follow up could be the answer? Do I have to look at any other links? Is this hope for me? Seriously as was losing my faith cause so long inbetween appointments and this would mean Dr. Phil's wife Robin And Suzanne are right? My doc Ronald L Brown MD ob-gyn not doing ob-gyn anymore.Website www.carolinahealthspan.com. But all the bad changes started at menopause time the thyroid and finding lymes which I'm not persuing. Cut the benzos no problem but the luvox small cut and don't feel well again but had two days of feeling normal. Must sent to 4wheeldrive. Thanks and please pretty please give me hope. Two more weeks til appointment and energy is leaving again. Thanks And have to say Love Jan
Posted by bleauberry on April 7, 2009, at 17:31:11
In reply to Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by Larry Hoover on April 7, 2009, at 7:58:06
Very interesting stuff, but not at all surprising. I have seen it firsthand with my spouse. Though not at all thoroughly investigated as in the article, my spouse on a blind tip from a friend started taking a supplement called Estroven. In 2 weeks her scary mood crashes of the last 2 years, rapid swings back to normal, more crashes, more normal, and sleep disturbances throughout, have all been tamed about 90%. There is obviously to me a super strong link between mood disorders and hormones. A psychiatrist probably would have given her a mood stabilizer, benzo, sleeping pills, antidepressant, something, while the disease was allowed to progress. All it took was a stupid OTC supplement called Estroven. Go figure. Hormones have power, lots of it.
I've seen the same thing myself with my own trials of psysiological replacement doses of hydrocortisone for diagnosed hypoadrenalism, which after 2 weeks of nothing turned into a stunning jaw-dropping miracle, far beyond what any psych med or ECT could have ever hoped to do. Will be pursuing that again soon, but need my yearly Adrenal Stress Index test first, which measures Cortisol, DHEA, progesterone, gluten antibodies, and insulin, at 4 intervals throughout a normal day.
I recently had discussions in threads here about Hydrocortisone and mood disorders. This is pretty much uncharted waters for psych patients and pdocs. But the anecdotal evidence that does exist, whether it is understood or not, whether it is studied or not, and whether it is 100% successful or not, clearly shows hormones have a lot of power in controlling serotonin, dopamine, and lots of other stuff.
And in another thread I shared the writings of someone who claimed the body is the mind, the mind is the body, they are one, if the body is messed up, so is the mind. Hormones are throughout both. If a female has bad estrogen levels or whatever, it isn't just her mind suffering.
I just wish there was more reading material available for male pscyh patients with reference to mood disorders. I think the best we know at this time has to do with cortisol, thyroid, and testosterone, but something tells me that is barely scratching the surface.
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2009, at 20:58:09
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by bleauberry on April 7, 2009, at 17:31:11
What do you guys think of taking the one drop of iodine that this doc prescribed said it is helpful with thyroid gland? Love Phillipa ps when googled it said could cause anxiety? it's from the edgar caycee institute called Atomidine?
Posted by yxibow on April 8, 2009, at 2:12:56
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2009, at 20:58:09
> What do you guys think of taking the one drop of iodine that this doc prescribed said it is helpful with thyroid gland? Love Phillipa ps when googled it said could cause anxiety? it's from the edgar caycee institute called Atomidine?
Let's just say that the individual channeled auras and was a 'psychic' among other things. Rather discredited but interesting as a read at http://skepdic.com/cayce.htmlBut, each to their own.
-- Jay
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 8, 2009, at 8:15:22
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2009, at 13:16:42
No, the article had nothing to do with the Amen clinic. You just need someone who will give you progesterone (the bio-identical hormome), in hopes that it will be metabolized to allopregnanolone. Allopregnanolone is a neurosteroid, which down-regulates the sensitivity of GABA receptors. If you don't have enough allopregnanolone, you develop persistent anxiety. You have trouble sleeping. You become fatigued. You have memory problems. Some women are profoundly impacted by the decrease in progesterone at menopause. It sounds like that applies to you, which is why I mentioned your name when I posted the link. Benzos may help symptomatically, but you can never get enough benzos to fix the problem.
I have no idea if this particular doctor you're seeing is a good practitioner. His site suggests he's likely to offer you progesterone supplementation. There are oral preps that work, creams, suppositories. I don't know what's best in that regard. I am concerned about one thing, though. The guy is charging way too much for the supplements he sells. $48 for 120 fish oil caps? Puh-lease. If you can get out of there without buying anything else....
Whether there is any direct link between menopause and Hashimoto's, I don't know. I don't think progesterone is going to influence your thyroid function, in any case.
Good luck with this, PJ. I hope it works.
Love back atcha,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 8, 2009, at 8:56:11
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2009, at 20:58:09
> What do you guys think of taking the one drop of iodine that this doc prescribed said it is helpful with thyroid gland? Love Phillipa ps when googled it said could cause anxiety? it's from the edgar caycee institute called Atomidine?
Oh, dear. Edgar Cayce? I don't know why I bothered, but I read a number of web pages about Atomidine. I must admit, I have never before seen so many scientifically illiterate people speak pseudo-scientifically on a subject in my life.
The only form of atomic iodine you're going to encounter is the ionized form, called iodide. End of story. The source is irrelevant.
In geographical regions where iodide intake is low, Hashimoto's is less common. Instead of Hashimoto's, people get goiters. However, if Hashimoto's patients are given supplemental iodide, most subjects exhibited a decrease in T4 and an increase in TSH, i.e. they developed frank hypothyroidism, if they didn't already have it. There was a small percentage who became hyperthyroid, which is probably a reflection of the variability in Hashimoto's itself, rather than the iodide per se.
So, if you are trying to suppress your thyroid output, then take the iodine. But I thought you were already low?
If you want to help your thyroid, you should be taking selenium. Hashimoto's patients show significantly reduced antibodies and more stable thyroid output if they take selenium. I'm sure I've mentioned this a handful of times before.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2009, at 13:16:32
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog » Phillipa, posted by yxibow on April 8, 2009, at 2:12:56
Jay the very best massage therapists I had were trained at the institute as they have a school of massage theraphy. I too at one time was going to enroll and go but meant six months from home. I believe in the massage as massage does move the lymph glands excrements up and out of the body and this is helpful I feel. I never felt more relaxed and free from pain than I did after one of the hour massages with great oils. I never got into the readings. But found foot reflexology and learned that each area of the foot corresponds to a different organ of the body. I was walking to the Institute one day back years ago when kids were little and met a man who lived there and he grew up with Edgar's Son told a fasinating story about how he and the Son then Va Beach was swamps and not developed. Well the two boys were almost attacked by a water moccasin and just before the attack Edgar rode up in his horse and buggy and killed the snake. He said he had a feeling the boys might get in trouble. This man when I met him was in his 80's and still biking and very healthy and active. i got a lot out of the institure. I learned to believe that anything is possible and it is to me. Love Jan
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2009, at 13:20:24
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog » Phillipa, posted by Larry Hoover on April 8, 2009, at 8:56:11
He thought it might help the thyroid function better and give me some energy the choice of which supplement I chose as only one health food store had any. I didn't know that about iodine. Thanks lar. guess missed point of article will go back and read about the progesterone part thank Love PJ
Posted by desolationrower on April 8, 2009, at 15:32:38
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2009, at 13:20:24
ssris also increase neurosteroids
-d/r
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 12, 2009, at 21:10:51
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog » Phillipa, posted by Larry Hoover on April 8, 2009, at 8:15:22
Oh my gosh, this sounds like me. I wonder if things aren't working because of perimenopause. I am on the young side of it, and there is no early menopause in my family that I know of, but "things" have changed, and accompanying that are the symptoms you describe, with my meds not helping as they did before.
> If you don't have enough allopregnanolone, you develop persistent anxiety. You have trouble sleeping. You become fatigued. You have memory problems. Some women are profoundly impacted by the decrease in progesterone at menopause.
Posted by Phillipa on April 12, 2009, at 21:55:53
In reply to Re: Thought provoking article on Amen blog, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 12, 2009, at 21:10:51
Amelia google bioidentical hormones. Love Phillipa
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