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Posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 10:40:30
Would you says Nardil and Parnate make you more tired than SSRI's.
I was reading through reviews of Nardil, and Parnate and tiredness constantly came up.
But, then I was reading through reviews of SSRI's and I saw tiredness come up a whole lot also. Especially with Paxil and Zoloft.
Also do you think the overall side effects (except potential hypertensive crisis) is better for MAOI or WORSE.
The SSRI's sure seemed to have a lot of side effects, I think even more so than MAOI's, but there was less reviews for MAOI's so I don't know.
Posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 11:01:27
In reply to Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's, posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 10:40:30
Just to let you know my side effect for Nardil are:
Weight loss due to being afraid of what to eat. But, no Nausea like SSRI's.Anxiety due to being on a strange drug, worried about surgerys, dental work, med screw up also worried about hypertensive crisis.
Hypotension
Tiredness Throughout The Day
Urinary Retention
Increased Desire to Urinate
Constipation, but that could be due to the Suboxone.
One day had very bad insomia, could not sleep entire night, but that was only time.
Decreased intrest in exercising due to tiredness.
Oh yeah
And I get hot very easily, and break out in sweat. When sweating gets real bad have to keep whiping my forhead.
Is this about normal? Atleast im still on it, most SSRI's I tried I had to jump off within the first week. The tiredness made me quit my beloved xanax and klonopin though. I still take benzo and lyrica sometimes, but it make me almost narcocleptic.
Posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2008, at 12:25:11
In reply to Re: Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's, posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 11:01:27
SSRI's and SNRI's reved me up and only lately have my nightly benzos been making me tirder or lack of sleep as I wake a lot. Phillipa
Posted by Nadezda on November 2, 2008, at 12:27:28
In reply to Re: Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's, posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 11:01:27
I would ask your pdoc about modafinil. I'm not sure why it's contraindicated, but I know a number of people here, including myself, take (or have taken) an Maoi with modafinil.
Maybe he could read up about it, or try to contact other pdocs outside your immediate area who know more.
By the way, most dentists have the type of novocaine that doesn't have epinephrine in it. It's the fast-acting type of novocaine. Any dentist really should know this, but if they don't you can tell them. That type of novocaine should be on hand--certainly all the dentists that I've used had have it.
For real surgury, you of course have to stop the nardil, preferably for two weeks. But if you're taking modafinil, that can be continued, and might help support your mood and energy level.
Nadezda
Posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 13:08:35
In reply to Re: Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's » jnew12, posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2008, at 12:25:11
> SSRI's and SNRI's reved me up and only lately have my nightly benzos been making me tirder or lack of sleep as I wake a lot. Phillipa
What medication do you take?
And no Modnafil for me. I am out of luck.
Posted by JadeKelly on November 6, 2008, at 12:55:58
In reply to Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's, posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 10:40:30
Hi Jnew,
> Would you says Nardil and Parnate make you more tired than SSRI's.
I hear that Nardil can be sedating, Parnate for me is not sedating at all. Lots of insomnia at first, passes within first week (I took 1mg klonopin + 6mg melatonin for sleep, ok'd by doc). I found Parnate to be stimulating during the day as well). Same experience with Emsam.
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> I was reading through reviews of Nardil, and Parnate and tiredness constantly came up.
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> But, then I was reading through reviews of SSRI's and I saw tiredness come up a whole lot also. Especially with Paxil and Zoloft.
It depends on the SSRI. Some are really tiring, Lexapro for one, and others are more stimulating or speedy like Prozac (in my experience). Don't know about Paxil and Zoloft.>
> Also do you think the overall side effects (except potential hypertensive crisis) is better for MAOI or WORSE.Aside from "potential hypertensive crisis", I found MAOI'S Emsam and Parnate to be far more tolerable that any other A/D's. But thats a BIG aside.
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> The SSRI's sure seemed to have a lot of side effects, I think even more so than MAOI's, but there was less reviews for MAOI's so I don't know.I've found that to be true, more sides with SSRI's. (Except I haven't tried Nardil).
Remember, people are probably less likely to be bothered by side effects if they have early response. I'd imagine that if I had Zero response on Parnate, I could paint a pretty negative picture of its side effects. But I felt great so side effects were not foremost in my mind (again, aside from the hypertention/BP issues).
NOTE: This is all very subjective. I've read this board on and off for a long time, talked to many people, and I read up and research any drug before I take it. What makes one person feel great, makes another feel terrible, a mild s/e for one may be horrible for another, and so on.I can't stand any SSRI or its side effects, I believe because I don't need seratonin. Other than once on prozac, I've never been able to stay on an A/D for more than 3-4 days other than MAOI's. Those just feel a little annoying to me. I've also heard people say that Prozac saved their lives. Those people were probably not bothered by the side effects as they needed the seratonin.
There you go...my two cents!
Jade
Posted by desolationrower on November 11, 2008, at 20:44:52
In reply to Nardil + Parnate Side Effects Compared to SSRI's, posted by jnew12 on November 2, 2008, at 10:40:30
I think the main thing that comes to mind is MAOIs have worse side effects for the first few weeks. But they go away. Right now the only side from tranylcypromine i have is insomnia, which trazodone takes care of nicely. SSRI side effects just stick around.
> Would you says Nardil and Parnate make you more tired than SSRI's.
at first, tranylcypromine made me so wow sleepy by early evening, it was crazy. couple weeks in, i don't have any problem with that AT ALL. The ssris didn't make me tired, but they did make me sluggish. I tried citalopram, fluoxetine, sertraline.
> I was reading through reviews of Nardil, and Parnate and tiredness constantly came up.
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> But, then I was reading through reviews of SSRI's and I saw tiredness come up a whole lot also. Especially with Paxil and Zoloft.
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> Also do you think the overall side effects (except potential hypertensive crisis) is better for MAOI or WORSE.
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> The SSRI's sure seemed to have a lot of side effects, I think even more so than MAOI's, but there was less reviews for MAOI's so I don't know.so i really prefer MAOI, not least because it actually helps with depression, unlike SSRIs. I guess i don't mind initial side effects (for me, some afternoon tiredness, urinary hesitancy, dizziness, reduced libido) because they go away, so i know i'll be able to live normally after a few weeks. With SSRIs its like a permanent disability (feeling foggy and unmotivated, anorgasmia, as well as a few weeks of urinary hesitency and constipation and anxiety). If i were on an SSRI now, i'd still have side effects. Putting up with some side effects htat probably aren't much worse for a few weeks is so worth it for me.
-D/R
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