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Posted by Manoa on October 4, 2008, at 14:41:19
I take Vyvanse and that seems to help, but I get really tired at the end of the day.
I fall asleep easily but many nights have vivid dreams which makes me tired in the morning. Doctor recommended GABA and one 750mg capsule before bed seems to work great.
I'm also taking Fish oil and have been thinking about adding other supplements.
SAM-e for mood? I am getting better, but sometimes when I'm coming down from meds, I need a little support. Especially when I'm on my period.
Mucuna Pruriens, Phenylalanine or Tyrosine to increase dopamine. Can't tell which one is better of Phenylalanine and Tyrosine.
DMAE for alertness and focus.
Alpha Lipoic Acid - good anti-ox.
Thoughts?
Posted by desolationrower on October 4, 2008, at 16:17:57
In reply to Supplements for ADD?, posted by Manoa on October 4, 2008, at 14:41:19
Too much dreaming/too much REM sleep may mean you are not getting enough deep sleep. Perhaps a sleep aid would help. Not sure what kind of ADD you have, but aniracetam could help with focus.
-d/r
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 6, 2008, at 0:26:14
In reply to Supplements for ADD?, posted by Manoa on October 4, 2008, at 14:41:19
Have you......there are alot of dementia medications, that help with people with "cognitive" problems. You can ask about Mememide, or how you spell it.
It helps with cognitive thinking in general.
I just was researching on it....ask your doctor. He may suprise, and think of one. Just say "dementia", or do have memory loss.
I do really bad. Sometimes i forget what i post on my posts, and i'm like "i posted this???"
Apricept, that catagory of meds.
G-r-e-a-t day.
Rj
Posted by JDx on October 6, 2008, at 17:17:52
In reply to Supplements for ADD?, posted by Manoa on October 4, 2008, at 14:41:19
> I take Vyvanse and that seems to help, but I get really tired at the end of the day.
>
> I fall asleep easily but many nights have vivid dreams which makes me tired in the morning. Doctor recommended GABA and one 750mg capsule before bed seems to work great.
>
> I'm also taking Fish oil and have been thinking about adding other supplements.
>
> SAM-e for mood? I am getting better, but sometimes when I'm coming down from meds, I need a little support. Especially when I'm on my period.
>
> Mucuna Pruriens, Phenylalanine or Tyrosine to increase dopamine. Can't tell which one is better of Phenylalanine and Tyrosine.
>
> DMAE for alertness and focus.
>
> Alpha Lipoic Acid - good anti-ox.
>
> Thoughts?Very High dose of Glycine help attention(up to 60 grams )
also high dose of omega 3 DHA/EPA (5-20 grams)
5-HTP can help attention, but you will need to increase your Ritalin dose with it
Posted by Manoa on October 6, 2008, at 18:54:04
In reply to Re: Supplements for ADD?, posted by JDx on October 6, 2008, at 17:17:52
> > I take Vyvanse and that seems to help, but I get really tired at the end of the day.
> >
> > I fall asleep easily but many nights have vivid dreams which makes me tired in the morning. Doctor recommended GABA and one 750mg capsule before bed seems to work great.
> >
> > I'm also taking Fish oil and have been thinking about adding other supplements.
> >
> > SAM-e for mood? I am getting better, but sometimes when I'm coming down from meds, I need a little support. Especially when I'm on my period.
> >
> > Mucuna Pruriens, Phenylalanine or Tyrosine to increase dopamine. Can't tell which one is better of Phenylalanine and Tyrosine.
> >
> > DMAE for alertness and focus.
> >
> > Alpha Lipoic Acid - good anti-ox.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> Very High dose of Glycine help attention(up to 60 grams )
> also high dose of omega 3 DHA/EPA (5-20 grams)
> 5-HTP can help attention, but you will need to increase your Ritalin dose with itThanks. I'm on Vyvanse. I'll try upping my Omegas first.
Posted by JDx on October 7, 2008, at 15:30:52
In reply to Re: Supplements for ADD?, posted by Manoa on October 6, 2008, at 18:54:04
> > > I take Vyvanse and that seems to help, but I get really tired at the end of the day.
> > >
> > > I fall asleep easily but many nights have vivid dreams which makes me tired in the morning. Doctor recommended GABA and one 750mg capsule before bed seems to work great.
> > >
> > > I'm also taking Fish oil and have been thinking about adding other supplements.
> > >
> > > SAM-e for mood? I am getting better, but sometimes when I'm coming down from meds, I need a little support. Especially when I'm on my period.
> > >
> > > Mucuna Pruriens, Phenylalanine or Tyrosine to increase dopamine. Can't tell which one is better of Phenylalanine and Tyrosine.
> > >
> > > DMAE for alertness and focus.
> > >
> > > Alpha Lipoic Acid - good anti-ox.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> >
> > Very High dose of Glycine help attention(up to 60 grams )
> > also high dose of omega 3 DHA/EPA (5-20 grams)
> > 5-HTP can help attention, but you will need to increase your Ritalin dose with it
>
> Thanks. I'm on Vyvanse. I'll try upping my Omegas first.you should add vitamin E at high doses of omega3
Posted by utopizen on October 10, 2008, at 0:13:58
In reply to Re: Supplements for ADD?, posted by JDx on October 7, 2008, at 15:30:52
> > > > I take Vyvanse and that seems to help, but I get really tired at the end of the day.
> > > >While supplements might help, keep in mind any stimulant will tax /speed up your metabolic processes overall. Most will be relatively resilient to this effect...
anyhow, I noticed for a few years, I would be rather tired after 6,7 PM after working 9-5... doing anything outside of work, or after I got home, was just was beat.
Then I heard someone say something in a movie (who cares if it's true?) that the Dhali Llama told him the secret to maintaining energy throughout the day is to start off with an incredible amount of protein.
Keep in mind I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I would eat a few eggs with cheese, and some orange juice for breakfast each day. And eggs have a decent amount of protein.
Well, it doesn't hurt to experiment. I bought those wheat gluten-based faux "sausage" veggie deli things, and would start my day with about a quarter of one each morning (about 10-12 patties worth) along with a couple of eggs and orange juice.
Sure enough, I was able to do very mundane volunteer work, phone calling folks, 6-9, after a full 9-5 workday.
It worked.
Told my doc this, and he said if one doesn't eat a substantial amount of protein in the morning, the body basically mimics a state of hypoglycemia. Explained that the body can make its own glucose towards the end of the day, provided it digests enough protein to do so early on in the day.
Otherwise, one is simply going on a carbohydrate roller-coaster of energy, one in which most of the glucose is not being metabolized from a protein source. Since the protein-to-glucose conversion process is far more sustained and gradual, it doesn't lead to the same kind of energy crash you're experiencing by the end of the day.
Stimulants speed up metabolic processes, so it's possible one might be capable of not noticing this effect much without them, but they will make you sensitive to the whole process on them.
Ultimately, do not confuse amphetamine as a means to receive energy from. It can only stimulate what's already there--- and so it's only that much more important to really work at your diet.
hope this helps!
Posted by Manoa on October 11, 2008, at 16:15:06
In reply to Re: Supplements for ADD? - hypoglycemia+protein » JDx, posted by utopizen on October 10, 2008, at 0:13:58
> Told my doc this, and he said if one doesn't eat a substantial amount of protein in the morning, the body basically mimics a state of hypoglycemia.
>
> hope this helps!THANKS ... that helps a lot! Makes sense because i feel better when I'm snacking on almonds during the day. I love a super high protein breakfast but difficult to do during the week. I also notice if I eat a lot of carbs, I'm falling asleep really quickly.
Posted by inmostleaf on October 13, 2008, at 13:04:46
In reply to Re: Supplements for ADD? - hypoglycemia+protein, posted by Manoa on October 11, 2008, at 16:15:06
This thread has useful info:
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10899&highlight=tianeptine
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