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Posted by PhoenixGirl on August 8, 2006, at 18:51:04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5253800.stm?ls
They're talking about low doses here, rather than the higher doses than can cause hallucinations. Finding a pdoc who would prescribe this for depression right now is highly unlikely. I'm seriously considering finding someone who would let me try this for my highly treatment-resistant, chronic depression.
Posted by Bob on August 8, 2006, at 19:32:30
In reply to Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by PhoenixGirl on August 8, 2006, at 18:51:04
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5253800.stm?ls
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> They're talking about low doses here, rather than the higher doses than can cause hallucinations. Finding a pdoc who would prescribe this for depression right now is highly unlikely. I'm seriously considering finding someone who would let me try this for my highly treatment-resistant, chronic depression.Why do you think it's highly unlikely? Because it is a relative unknown?
Posted by PhoenixGirl on August 8, 2006, at 21:33:22
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article) » PhoenixGirl, posted by Bob on August 8, 2006, at 19:32:30
No, because Ketamine is also used as a "street drug", known as "K" or "Special K". Doctors don't trust mentally ill patients and are unlikely to give us meds with a potential for abuse.
Posted by SLS on August 9, 2006, at 7:18:45
In reply to Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by PhoenixGirl on August 8, 2006, at 18:51:04
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5253800.stm?ls
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> They're talking about low doses here, rather than the higher doses than can cause hallucinations. Finding a pdoc who would prescribe this for depression right now is highly unlikely. I'm seriously considering finding someone who would let me try this for my highly treatment-resistant, chronic depression.
I think it's only available legally as i.v.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on August 9, 2006, at 21:40:47
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by SLS on August 9, 2006, at 7:18:45
Don'e Vets use it? love Phillipa
Posted by Cairo on August 10, 2006, at 14:31:50
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by SLS on August 9, 2006, at 7:18:45
Ketamine can also be formulated for intranasal use. I believe I remember reading that Jay Goldstein, MD used it as part of his quick trial protocol for FMS/CFS.
Cairo
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Posted by Bob on August 10, 2006, at 16:44:32
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by Cairo on August 10, 2006, at 14:31:50
> Ketamine can also be formulated for intranasal use. I believe I remember reading that Jay Goldstein, MD used it as part of his quick trial protocol for FMS/CFS.
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Does anyone know what the original intention of this research was? Were they trying to find out if Ketamine was a viable treatment for depression, or was it a happy accident? Also, how is this info useful? Is is feasible that a practical treatment could be formed from the results of this find, or are they just reported some interesting but ultimately unuseable effect?
Posted by linkadge on August 10, 2006, at 16:57:16
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article) » Cairo, posted by Bob on August 10, 2006, at 16:44:32
There was a hint that the compound might be changed in some was as to reduce the side effects but retain the effect, but I really don't see this happening any time soon.
Linkadge
Posted by Franz on August 13, 2006, at 15:11:35
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by Phillipa on August 9, 2006, at 21:40:47
> Don'e Vets use it? love Phillipa
you are right, it is very potent, I saw in TV how a orse is knocked down almost immediately with it.
it is a drug of abuse in some places where vet meds are not very regulated
an anesthetist told me it is used in human anesthesia, I think mstly in low doses and to avoid you remember about the surgery
Posted by Rani on August 14, 2006, at 23:13:33
In reply to Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by PhoenixGirl on August 8, 2006, at 18:51:04
I work as a theatre nurse (RN). We use ketamine regularly as an adjunct to other opioid based pain relief. Mostly it is used when morphine and all other agents for acute pain have not been effective immediately and for a few days post op. It does cause hallucinations for some people even with small doses and they often say they don't like the way it feels although is very effective for pain relief. It is a major drug of addiction (also known as K, or Special K).
When we administer IV the response is very rapid and that 'knocking a horse flat theory' is a good descriptor. In a quick high dose people usually become quite unresponsive to voice - they can hear you but cant respond as they are just knocked 'flat' so to speak. They often saw the pain just dissolves or disappears.
Posted by Dunder on August 15, 2006, at 6:05:45
In reply to Re: Ketamine relieves depression? (article), posted by Rani on August 14, 2006, at 23:13:33
> I work as a theatre nurse (RN). We use ketamine regularly as an adjunct to other opioid based pain relief. Mostly it is used when morphine and all other agents for acute pain have not been effective immediately and for a few days post op. It does cause hallucinations for some people even with small doses and they often say they don't like the way it feels although is very effective for pain relief. It is a major drug of addiction (also known as K, or Special K).
> When we administer IV the response is very rapid and that 'knocking a horse flat theory' is a good descriptor. In a quick high dose people usually become quite unresponsive to voice - they can hear you but cant respond as they are just knocked 'flat' so to speak. They often saw the pain just dissolves or disappears.
>You say that ketamine is a "major drug of addiction". I don't mean to be pedantic but I think you mean a drug of abuse. There is little evidence that it is physically addictive. It may have the potential to be psychologically addictive but so can most things that make people feel good, e.g. chocolate, exercise, sex, etc.
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