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Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 17:54:55
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding, posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
Well i seen the same Doc for five years,when she left in that week time frame i immediatly had a problem with staff,mind u in 5 years i never once called there in need of speaking in emergency to my Doc or anyone else.
Well as luck would have it a problem arose the week she left,for the first time i called in the office,and spoke to the offc MGR this being the first time ever i had even known there was one.
From the second she got on the phone she was EXTREMLY COLD,being a phone tech for over years i know u can tell how someone is going to act on the phone within the first few seconds.So of course she did not listen to anything i had to say,and to my grievnace her response was in almost the exact words .......WELL FIND URSELF A NEW DOCTER ELSEWHERE.
I was in total shock,five years there,never comming to them with a single issue and this is the loyality?Well without knowing the entire story she basicaly said shed speak to the referred doc and have him get back to me on my issue.
2 weeks later,2 days before my appt to see this new doc,yess he got back to me,how? In a letter saying he COULD not possably work with me after i had a verbal altercation with a staff member as they are there to aid him,and basicaly told me forget about the appt and to p- off.
I called there and told them thats fine but if they are gonna cut me off two days before my appt i would obviously need 30 days to find a new doc.So i went up and picked up 30 days of standerd meds,never actualy talking to the doc about what i needed,he i assume went off notes,i arrived to find the scripts at the front.
On my way out ironicaly i seen my old doc packing her car with boxes,she expressed howd she miss me,and i told her what had happened and she said part of why she was leaving was the dirtection the office was taking.Long story short(too late) my nearest appt with a spanking new doc would not be until well over a month,klonopin would be the only med id come up short,feeling ok at the time i dident caclulate just how short,and i dident think id fall into W/D so hard.
So i ran out of klonopin due to a miscalculation,not abuse,yet ER doc stared at me,and treated me while writing his 3 pill script of klonopin like i was some benzo gulping junkie.
I called the office but since my doc was totaly gone by now,i was not surprised to not revieve a call back.Thats what i get i guess for opening my mouth and saying i had a problem,i got booted.
I felt so angry when she basicaly told me to get lost at the first sign of a disagreement,i mean this is a docters office,her saying that made me even more firm in my belief that most doc offices dont care a thing about u,i just wish my doc even though i know she was busy leaving could have stepped in a little,but they would not even pass messages along to her saying she was not there on the clock and i should forget about her,she is not my doc anymore and she has nothing to do with my situation.
A very ugly experiance from start to.......well were not quite done yet!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people- and when it's real, it can be a n.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e., hell. Have you ever personally experienced this problem for real? "Irresponsable" or not, all kinds of things can happen to turn "pill shortage" into reality: theft, absentmindedness, taking too much impulsively, whatever. The drugs of the class are notoriously addictive, too. I don't think it's fair to automatically blame the sufferer or say they are irresponsable. Also, some unfortunate folks DO have to crawl to work without their meds at times, and some suffer heinously-whether or not they even make it to work. It sucks to flip out in the office or on public transportation, for example, to have no one believe you when you explain lost your bottle of pills (again), etc. Fortunately, when it happened to me, doctors believed me, gave me a re-supply, asked some questions. It happens. I would bet most people here who use benzos are aware of what they are dealing with, and there are plenty of genuine trauma stories on this board to educate anyone who might not have been aware, or who would like to learn more. Why add fictional "educational" parables???? Why, why are you so especially priveleged to do so? This board is for real, right? Sure hope so. Personally, I am newish here, trying to educate myself, and I hope it's from people sharing real, credible stories and insights and that we can learn from each others' experiences. I don't like feeling tricked. I went through losing a bottle of klonopin, and I didn't think it was funny, I don't believe it was anything of my fault- but that isn't even what matters. It was humiliating hell before finally being addressed and "educational fiction" feels patronizing. I can't exaggerate: HELL. I hope fiction or jokes don't happen here too often, for that would compromise the Board's credibility, and take people's attention away from someone having a REAL crisis. Thank you for your consideration.
> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
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> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
At this point I'm confused and have no idea if you made any of it up or not, but the possibility of it is upsetting, and I think I'll go read something else.Best wishes.
> If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:58:32
In reply to more Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
I think the answer is "yes" in reference to making up stories-and your reply to someone else who asked you the last time was almost identical to this one.
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
> Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » bassman, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
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> Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:35:51
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
I was wrong now i that i look,u were not part of the orignal thread,but yess he did not make up a single word of the story,if anything couldent put the entire horror into words......again things being the way they are,he did not want to flat out state he got help from a friend and not a docter,sorry for the confusion.
I assure you however,it was not made up,it was very very real.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:07:03
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
> Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
You mention that before you mention that there actualy was no second "fake story" and it was a lil mishap,would you want to be accused of faking a story when you dident at all,come on no one is trying to argue here,nevermind im so saddened it`s unreal.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2006, at 22:22:25
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
> I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people...
I think you were trying very hard to express how you reacted to the post you replied to. I hate to nitpick, however, I need to ask you to not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Regards,
deputy gg
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:50:16
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:07:03
> > Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
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> You mention that before you mention that there actualy was no second "fake story" and it was a lil mishap,would you want to be accused of faking a story when you dident at all,come on no one is trying to argue here,nevermind im so saddened it`s unreal.I plead with the group that no one responds,my intentions here are not to get anyone a warning or otherwise,willyee respects his block,and feels its deserved,i do not plan to post here,i just do not feel it right that the impression that a "second" fake story was given by him,when the issue of a first one was already addressed in a thread,i just wanted to clairify this,nothing more,as i seen it mentioned that willyee was posting his second fake story.
Has he not posted enough to justify himself at the least as serious.Has he never wished people the best,and always posted to them in opt to help them,why would he post a fake story.
Im most saddened by bassman who had sympathy for his situation,then all of a sudden replied to this poster about him having posted two fake storys,dont feel you felt bad for nothing,what you felt bad for was true,and i personaly know he has had friends call him screaming crying as they ran out of xanax and he drove to them to give them klonopin,willyee might be young and out of control,but his heart is genuine,and the bottom line is he cares for anyone who suffers this horrable disease,disagreements does not change that.
Please just let him,and his posts lay at rest.He does care what the people here think,and he was saddened to think some could believe hed make a second FAKE story up when he never made a firt one up,rather instead,as usual,used bad judgment in presenting it.
He also thanks garden girl and accepts her block to this posting as well.
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 7:31:08
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
Dear Tymoney,
I thought I was replying to a current, '06, current period, post. I had NO CLUE there was another, previous post. I'm also less than a month on the board, and haven't caught on to all of the history and backgrounds (as you share) or all of the navigation tips and tricks. My apologies- I found the thread to be appalling (because it looks just like a made-up story by someone out to plain mess with people), confusing, and believed it was current. Surely administration can tell it isn't if it isn't. I wonder why they didn't remove the whole thread in light of what you relate? I'm still not sure I "get" all of what happened, but I do know what it is like to run out of klonopin, have also believed myself "strong enough" to "tough it out" (out of fear of telling doctor), and have also had it result in at least one nightmare emergency room visit - so I know how serious this is. I can see why he'd alter the details of his story. I'll try to find the old post, or if you have it handy and have a link, I'll review it immediately. Thank you for sharing. I wish your brother well, very sincerely.
Respectfully,Laima
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> > Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> > something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> > > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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> Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.
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> From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
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> Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
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> He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
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> Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
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> Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"
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> When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
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> Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
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> Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
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> My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.
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> Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
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> Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
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Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 7:43:27
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:35:51
Again,
I believe you, and oh yes- I sure can relate to benzo snafus, withdrawal paranoaia, and what can happen when you try to explain to a doctor. It's sure no joke. I myself once ended up in a locked psychiatric ward for over a week because they plain decided that I must've swallowed all of the pills as a suicide atttempt- when nothing could have been further from the truth. I've never had to explain anything like taking someone else's meds, but I can only imagine how they'd react to that. I can understand if your brother was afraid to post exactly the facts as they happened. Again, very sorry to read what you have to say and share about the background of the thread I reacted to. The post just looked very radically different from what you've just explained. Any chance he'd be let back on the board, maybe with a new name, if he talked over the matter with Dr. Bob? Or perhaps you've likely already been through this. My sincerest apologies and well wishes.
> I was wrong now i that i look,u were not part of the orignal thread,but yess he did not make up a single word of the story,if anything couldent put the entire horror into words......again things being the way they are,he did not want to flat out state he got help from a friend and not a docter,sorry for the confusion.
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> I assure you however,it was not made up,it was very very real.
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 8:59:02
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
Oh I just type very fast and make many typos!
> Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:12:20
In reply to Please be civil » laima, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2006, at 22:22:25
Yes, I agree- I thought there was a recent post here mocking those of us on the board who use benzodiazapines and reacted. This thread still confuses me to some extent, but the brother of the poster who I reacted to has explained the situation and I feel humbled and sorry. Again, my sincerest apologies for the misunderstanding, to everyone I may have offended, and I'll review the rules.> > I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people...
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> I think you were trying very hard to express how you reacted to the post you replied to. I hate to nitpick, however, I need to ask you to not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
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> Regards,
> deputy gg
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Posted by bassman on July 22, 2006, at 9:24:40
In reply to Re: Please be civil » gardenergirl, posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:12:20
Please don't feel badly; whether Willyee really has a brother that wrote the second note or not, and whether it is in fact true, those of us that take benzos share a fear of being exposed to accidental withdrawal-and it is a terrible fear. It would be very disrespectful, as you point out, to exploit that fear on this board, if that is in fact what happened.. I'm going to CA tomorrow and have two identical sets of meds in two different places (one on my person, one in my carry-on bag)-for just the reasons you stated. It's one of those situations in life where you can't slip up and not pay a pretty terrible price. It's not something to take lightly.
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:53:20
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by bassman on July 22, 2006, at 9:24:40
Thank you, bassman. It's a touchy topic, and some people out there in the world really do judge those of us on meds. I reacted in a really fast and angry manner, upset, certain it was happening here, now, in a "safe" place. Whatever happened with this story, whatever the truth, being confused and not having having been around for the full history-for a multitude of reasons- I think it will be best and most responsable if I now drop out of this thread and this topic, with respect, per Tymoney's request in his recent post.> Please don't feel badly; whether Willyee really has a brother that wrote the second note or not, and whether it is in fact true, those of us that take benzos share a fear of being exposed to accidental withdrawal-and it is a terrible fear. It would be very disrespectful, as you point out, to exploit that fear on this board, if that is in fact what happened.. I'm going to CA tomorrow and have two identical sets of meds in two different places (one on my person, one in my carry-on bag)-for just the reasons you stated. It's one of those situations in life where you can't slip up and not pay a pretty terrible price. It's not something to take lightly.
Posted by Tymoney on July 22, 2006, at 21:45:03
In reply to Re: Please be civil » bassman, posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:53:20
Im just as at fault,been a little defensive here latly,and whether i am willyee` brother,or not,and i am,obviously he is not far,he just feels really defensive right now,which is why he was glad he was blocked.
You were right,you concerns were innocent,im very sorry for thinking they were more than that,to which case i simply would have just liked for someone to point out that it was an old thread,i am really sorry you were hit with a uncivil mark,i truly am.
But yess my brother has included us into play to ensure he doesent run out of his medication,silly as it sounds,he is given enough so he dont have feel like a child and ask,but not enough to run out.We hold the rest.It is easy for some people in the midst of a crisis to not even know your using more benzos than normal.
I was with him,and ER treated him like dirt,he calmy explained what happened,and it truly wasnt his fault,hes run short of benzos before,in matters of days or two,where he just had to bear down,but the situation at hand ended in a two week plight,and the ER after 2 hour wait provided 2 tabs when he clearly told them he had six days before his next visit to the NEW docter.
He was also scared because he had helped so many close friends and it took so long for them to respond,with hinsight hed have been fine with waiting,he just feared they would not help.
I recomend to any family memeber to possably slip a benzo away from your family member if possable,to keep as a emergency,this is just a suggestion,if there are strong reasons one finds aganist this i wouldent argue it,just something we find helpful.If the person knows you have some they will ask for it,have a secret supply that the person knows nothing about,so in a case of the person using too much,whetehr by faout or not,you can help them with this supply.
Again im so sorry for your uncilil post,i understand your concern about the story,i hope you understand why it was done,its not much of a justification,but i think it was a matter of the story not being allowed,so in order to share the situation he did this,trying to make it semi clear it was actualy true.
Dr bob is very strict on non prescription sites,and the like,with good reason.
Again sorry,now i hope you can re read the story and get something from it,and bassman,im sorry it seems your view on willyee seems to have changed.
Posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 10:23:42
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Tymoney on July 22, 2006, at 21:45:03
Dear Tymoney,
Thank you for your response, it means a lot to me that you took the time to explain and all. I misunderstood the post, it's been very confusing. Now, it makes a lot more sense, knowing some background. I'm choosing to take your word for all of it and believe you 100%. I can completely comprehend, from what you relate, why the events of this post happened, and being no stranger to benzo/emergency room catastrophe scenario myself, I can really try imagine now what your younger brother went through and why he was so afraid and while I still wish he hadn't, I understand why he posted in the slightly disguised way that you relate he did. Believe me, no need to explain how horrifying it can be in the ER, particularly when certain staff discover that the purpose is in any way "psychiatric"!
And I too have experienced desertion from friends who I thought I could count on, but who became somehow distant when there was a crisis. How many times have I heard stuff like, "well- what are you messing with drugs for anyway, you don't need them, are you addicted", "You lost them? Again? Right. Took too many? Must've been a suicide attempt, obviously, you are headed for the locked ward." At one point even, "maybe someone should hold them for you and dole them out daily since you can't seem to manage" blah blah blah. It hurts, and yes, very, very scary and degrading. Took me a long time, like months or perhaps a year, to get a grip after going through that, and I am much older (I gather) than your brother. You mentioned your brother was quite young at the time of his episode, which I imagine made it even worse. No, I am in no place to judge him or anyone else who finds themselves experiencing this type of traumatic emergency.
I do heartily agree, by the way, the points brought up about having "emergency stashes" of drugs, or just splitting them up into different storage spots for the purpose of avoiding any problem, are really good advice. I try to do that now, too- after what I went through. And I don't think it's odd or sneaky at all- my dad does the same with his heart medications, for example.
I still acknowledge I should have read further down the thread and not angrily reacted so quickly. It's obviously a very touchy and sensitive topic for me, too. Maybe you can imagine from the few bits I mentioned above. My response to the post in question was swift and automatic because I originally understood it (incorrectly) as nothing but a tricky taunt directed towards people who are using benzos-as if we are some kind of "suckers" or whatever. I also now acknowledge- I wasn't "civil" in the way I responded. I am going to immediately remember this episode next time I ever encounter something upsetting (to me) before reacting impulsively, knock on wood.To be realistic, having just discovered the board within the last month or two, reading all of the old posts and history from pprevious years is a tall order, unless I spend days on the internet. (I don't think that would be the healthiest thing for me to do right now anyway- gotta get outside and deal with my problems that I've been avoiding and all.) I truely promise you, pledge to you, I had no idea of any earlier post, incident, or history related to this matter. I still haven't seen it, and out of respect to both of you, chose to not go looking for it.
I gingerly wonder why these two threads might not be deleted if the original poster regrets (if I am understanding correctly) and since apparently so many misunderstandings, embarressments, and hurt feelings seem to be coming up? I don't know if I mentioned, but yesterdays's accusations and civil warning really stung and hurt my feelings, too--right after the post itself hurt my feelings and felt like salt in old re-opened wounds. Yes, I understand better now why the accusations and warning came up, but I still felt misunderstood and hurt for the full day. It was a really hard day. But I'll have to learn from the experience and let it go. Again, your generous response today means a lot to me and I am very grateful and thankful you took the time.
Again, I realize I am in no position to judge someone, am very, very sorry to hear about your brother's horrifying ordeal, and the trouble you have experienced, too. Anyone would be lucky to have a brother as persistently and strongly supportive as you.
I wish you, and especially your brother, who sounds to have been so hurt by this entire, extended matter, peace. I hope we can call a truce, and most of all I hope you accept my sincere apology.Sincerely,
Laima
( Sorry if I rambled.)> Im just as at fault,been a little defensive here latly,and whether i am willyee` brother,or not,and i am,obviously he is not far,he just feels really defensive right now,which is why he was glad he was blocked.
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> You were right,you concerns were innocent,im very sorry for thinking they were more than that,to which case i simply would have just liked for someone to point out that it was an old thread,i am really sorry you were hit with a uncivil mark,i truly am.
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> But yess my brother has included us into play to ensure he doesent run out of his medication,silly as it sounds,he is given enough so he dont have feel like a child and ask,but not enough to run out.We hold the rest.It is easy for some people in the midst of a crisis to not even know your using more benzos than normal.
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> I was with him,and ER treated him like dirt,he calmy explained what happened,and it truly wasnt his fault,hes run short of benzos before,in matters of days or two,where he just had to bear down,but the situation at hand ended in a two week plight,and the ER after 2 hour wait provided 2 tabs when he clearly told them he had six days before his next visit to the NEW docter.
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> He was also scared because he had helped so many close friends and it took so long for them to respond,with hinsight hed have been fine with waiting,he just feared they would not help.
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> I recomend to any family memeber to possably slip a benzo away from your family member if possable,to keep as a emergency,this is just a suggestion,if there are strong reasons one finds aganist this i wouldent argue it,just something we find helpful.If the person knows you have some they will ask for it,have a secret supply that the person knows nothing about,so in a case of the person using too much,whetehr by faout or not,you can help them with this supply.
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> Again im so sorry for your uncilil post,i understand your concern about the story,i hope you understand why it was done,its not much of a justification,but i think it was a matter of the story not being allowed,so in order to share the situation he did this,trying to make it semi clear it was actualy true.
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> Dr bob is very strict on non prescription sites,and the like,with good reason.
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> Again sorry,now i hope you can re read the story and get something from it,and bassman,im sorry it seems your view on willyee seems to have changed.
Posted by Tymoney on July 23, 2006, at 19:00:27
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Tymoney, posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 10:23:42
Well being one the side that would have been offended,id rather you not have been wanred at all.For a split second it seemed as if you were just re opening a wound to start trouble but we dont not believe tha to be the case at all,
As for friends,will has a a seperate yahoo lists of firends and then "friends" who are sick,and always is willing to tallk.
The people on this group here who have ever emailed him privatly know hes always been willing to speak openly and frank with them.
As for locals,it wasnt a case of hearing :oh umessed up now screw you" rather no one was around all of a sudded,noone was answering emails of pleas,when normaly people are always around,in hindsight in was more of paniack because after a dreadful exhausting visit in ER he came and i have goose bumps to a inbox full of emails,and that night a friend came to see him.
I once used my credit cared beliving someone couldent use one to get medicaton for them,they spent weeks building trust to do this,and of course i got screwed,i dont know why they felt it was worth all that time to get 65 dollers out of me,the mistrust was a bigger loss to me than the money,but loosing once or twice is worth it when u have situations like i explained,when u turn to a inbox and have people worried about u ready to come over to help.Again sorry i feel bad u got a warning,at the same time i see why garden girl did what she did.
Posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 20:23:13
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Tymoney on July 23, 2006, at 19:00:27
Dear Tymoney,Thanks for your new post. I'm glad to hear things are going better for your brother. I wish no harm to anyone, and feel much better, believing we have come to some understanding of where each other came from and what happened. I think it's really hard to communicate about tense topics, and obviously this one is hard for all of us.
Peace.
Laima
> Well being one the side that would have been offended,id rather you not have been wanred at all.For a split second it seemed as if you were just re opening a wound to start trouble but we dont not believe tha to be the case at all,
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> As for friends,will has a a seperate yahoo lists of firends and then "friends" who are sick,and always is willing to tallk.
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> The people on this group here who have ever emailed him privatly know hes always been willing to speak openly and frank with them.
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> As for locals,it wasnt a case of hearing :oh umessed up now screw you" rather no one was around all of a sudded,noone was answering emails of pleas,when normaly people are always around,in hindsight in was more of paniack because after a dreadful exhausting visit in ER he came and i have goose bumps to a inbox full of emails,and that night a friend came to see him.
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> I once used my credit cared beliving someone couldent use one to get medicaton for them,they spent weeks building trust to do this,and of course i got screwed,i dont know why they felt it was worth all that time to get 65 dollers out of me,the mistrust was a bigger loss to me than the money,but loosing once or twice is worth it when u have situations like i explained,when u turn to a inbox and have people worried about u ready to come over to help.
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> Again sorry i feel bad u got a warning,at the same time i see why garden girl did what she did.
Posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 20:54:56
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Tymoney, posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 20:23:13
I wanted to add, I feel very happy we were able to talk this over and come to some sort of understanding. I'm sure this will sound corny, but really, I've learned lots from this experience and have gained some new faith in being able to resolve conflict, feeling better about people in general as a result.> Dear Tymoney,
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> Thanks for your new post. I'm glad to hear things are going better for your brother. I wish no harm to anyone, and feel much better, believing we have come to some understanding of where each other came from and what happened. I think it's really hard to communicate about tense topics, and obviously this one is hard for all of us.
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> Peace.
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> Laima
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> > Well being one the side that would have been offended,id rather you not have been wanred at all.For a split second it seemed as if you were just re opening a wound to start trouble but we dont not believe tha to be the case at all,
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> > As for friends,will has a a seperate yahoo lists of firends and then "friends" who are sick,and always is willing to tallk.
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> > The people on this group here who have ever emailed him privatly know hes always been willing to speak openly and frank with them.
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> > As for locals,it wasnt a case of hearing :oh umessed up now screw you" rather no one was around all of a sudded,noone was answering emails of pleas,when normaly people are always around,in hindsight in was more of paniack because after a dreadful exhausting visit in ER he came and i have goose bumps to a inbox full of emails,and that night a friend came to see him.
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> > I once used my credit cared beliving someone couldent use one to get medicaton for them,they spent weeks building trust to do this,and of course i got screwed,i dont know why they felt it was worth all that time to get 65 dollers out of me,the mistrust was a bigger loss to me than the money,but loosing once or twice is worth it when u have situations like i explained,when u turn to a inbox and have people worried about u ready to come over to help.
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> > Again sorry i feel bad u got a warning,at the same time i see why garden girl did what she did.
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Posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2006, at 22:45:41
In reply to Re: Please be civil » gardenergirl, posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:12:20
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2006, at 23:03:06
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
> Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more
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> From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.Please don't post from a computer (or Internet connection) that he uses or post anything for him.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#computer
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
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