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Posted by willyee on July 3, 2006, at 0:06:07
I remeber a very small debate about ...if someone got a million dollers they would be happy etc etc,and the opoosition was it dident matter cause depression was a chemical malfunction which does not allow the victim to feel certain emotions,the external pluses and negatives arent the main factor,i ageed with the second view.
Anyway just to give u an idea,eminem,for those who although strange,may not know,is a very credited rapper,he is also a white rapper who is respected,hes brought out other talents,dropped a few ablums that went plantunium meaning hes got mucho denero,money!
He is also ADORED by woman,attacked,so we have talent,fame,fortune,.......sounds like a good life huh?
Well he is now on Anti depressants,my only reasoning for bringing this about is to share a personal view of mine that clinical depression spares no one,its not about having this or that,its a chemical illness,now i am willing to accept that life situations,such as eminem has recently been in,can act as a gun trigger,and cause the brain to start working differently,however i think when it gets so bad that this happens,i believe it is VERY DIFFICULT to return the brain to its correct pattern,hence why many of us are here.
If u google eminem on anti depressants the list will go on and on and on,i just grabbed a random one,here is the link.......
http://www.pr-inside.com/eminem-on-antidepressants-r9063.htm
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2006, at 0:46:54
In reply to No one is immue, posted by willyee on July 3, 2006, at 0:06:07
Interesting. The life of a celebrity can be extrordinarily demanding and stressfull.
That may take its toll.
Money can't buy happiness, but I think it can certainly help ease suffering in different ways.
Linkadge
Posted by iforgotmypassword on July 3, 2006, at 0:57:10
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by linkadge on July 3, 2006, at 0:46:54
sometimes i almost start to wonder who hasn't been on antidepressants.
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2006, at 4:48:38
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by iforgotmypassword on July 3, 2006, at 0:57:10
Eminem could use them.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2006, at 15:56:24
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by linkadge on July 3, 2006, at 4:48:38
Money doesn't buy happiness but it allows to afford the most expensive and best pdocs. Love Phillipa
Posted by cecilia on July 5, 2006, at 16:18:36
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2006, at 15:56:24
Once you've got the basic necessities of life I personally don't think how much money you have makes much difference. When you're depressed the thought of death is never very far from your mind, and we all know"you can't take it with you". As for the so-called "good" pdocs, if they actually exist, they have exactly the same pool of meds to choose from as the "bad' ones, no more, no less. Cecilia
Posted by willyee on July 6, 2006, at 18:45:24
In reply to Re: No one is immune, posted by cecilia on July 5, 2006, at 16:18:36
> Once you've got the basic necessities of life I personally don't think how much money you have makes much difference. When you're depressed the thought of death is never very far from your mind, and we all know"you can't take it with you". As for the so-called "good" pdocs, if they actually exist, they have exactly the same pool of meds to choose from as the "bad' ones, no more, no less. Cecilia
Totaly agree.....unlike certain other disease unfortantly Aids,where so many drugs are required a day,the dreaded cocktail,
Depression however,although the new meds can be a strong burden on a pocket,are not so where people havent been able to obtain them and leave a general idea of their effectivness.
So i agree with u totaly,even having access to the "best" drugs wouldent be a livesaver as this illness really doesent have any secret aresnal that the average person hasent already used extenisvly.So celeb or not,depression is a monster,and eminem may not appear as the nicest guy ever but he also never said he was,and im sure its just as hard on him as regualr folk.
Just imagine in his case when he feels he needs time alone to situate his thoughts he has 5 little kids run up to him,now can he turn around and snap at them and refuse them a autograph,unless he wants to end up in 20 papaers stating what a monster he is.
No one approaching him is going to understand that he is human and in a time of trying to heal and not try to cling to him asking a million absurd questions for a hour.
Posted by fuchsia on July 6, 2006, at 22:00:29
In reply to No one is immue, posted by willyee on July 3, 2006, at 0:06:07
I agree that the illness is a physical malfunction but money can give you more options and it could make the difference if you were on the brink. Losing your job could be more stressful if you had fewer resources to cushion you as you fall.
Also if you have money to travel I believe this can make a difference in some cases. For myself I have found a temporary relocation to somewhere warm sunny and condusive to exercise is helpful. For a time at least. This is not to say that the illness is not physical only that these factors and I must say also the very strong stimulus to the brain of a new environment can help some.
Posted by linkadge on July 7, 2006, at 19:55:26
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by fuchsia on July 6, 2006, at 22:00:29
Like was said above, if you are rich you can get the best help. You can afford the best food, best doctors, you can afford to reduce stress.
I do think it matters how much money you have.
I read a study that showed that statistically people with lower income have poorer responce to antidepressants.
Linkadge
Posted by cecilia on July 8, 2006, at 6:08:02
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by fuchsia on July 6, 2006, at 22:00:29
Maybe travel helps some people. I used to force myself to do it, but I haven't been able to make myself take so much as an overnight trip since 1993. (Except for 2 weeks in Vancouver getting rTMS). It seems pointless, you take yourself and your pain with you wherever you go. When I did travel I used to constantly think "I wanna go home." The only thing about travel was that there would be a day or two when I finally got home when my depression was actually less at the sheer relief of being home. Sort of like getting off a med with horrible side effects-for a little while you're so grateful not to have the side effects that you feel better. Cecilia
Posted by cecilia on July 8, 2006, at 6:25:35
In reply to Re: No one is immue, posted by linkadge on July 7, 2006, at 19:55:26
> Like was said above, if you are rich you can get the best help. You can afford the best food, best doctors, you can afford to reduce stress.
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> I do think it matters how much money you have.
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> I read a study that showed that statistically people with lower income have poorer responce to antidepressants.
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> LinkadgeIt makes sense that people with lower income would have poorer response to AD's. No med is going to solve the problems of poverty, unemployment, living in a violent neighborhood etc. etc. etc. I just think that once you have the basics, a secure job or other source of income, health insurance, a safe place to live, more money isn't going to make you less depressed. I think another thread talked about how doctors and dentists have such high suicide rates, and you know most of them make plenty of money. Cecilia
Posted by fuchsia on July 8, 2006, at 8:36:07
In reply to Re: No one is immune-fuchsia, posted by cecilia on July 8, 2006, at 6:08:02
> Maybe travel helps some people. I used to force myself to do it, but I haven't been able to make myself take so much as an overnight trip since 1993. (Except for 2 weeks in Vancouver getting rTMS). It seems pointless, you take yourself and your pain with you wherever you go. When I did travel I used to constantly think "I wanna go home." The only thing about travel was that there would be a day or two when I finally got home when my depression was actually less at the sheer relief of being home. Sort of like getting off a med with horrible side effects-for a little while you're so grateful not to have the side effects that you feel better. Cecilia
I trust the rTMS wasn't very helpful? I had it also and it didn't do much for me.
My depression is cyclical and I crash in and out of it; at home I am mainly depressed. The trouble is to pack; before I took Lamictal I sometimes couldn't do it and required a lot of assistance(for the last few years anyway). I also wouldn't travel on my own because I wouldn't want to end up stuck in a strange and stinky hotel room in the middle of nowhere.
I do get a good response although sometimes I am a bit driven and or irritable. I think I would get
depressed again if I stayed too long in the one place.It is cold, dark and miserable where I am in the southern hemisphere right now and it feels like being stuck in a dark hole in the ground. I long for the sunlight.
Posted by linkadge on July 8, 2006, at 18:34:26
In reply to Re: No one is immune-Linkadge, posted by cecilia on July 8, 2006, at 6:25:35
I think that having money could definately make you less depressed. Perhaps certain jobs like dentist / psychiatrists may be unfufilling, stressfull, anticlimactic. A dentist may get more money, but he may feel trapped in that position, and if he doesn't like it...
My neighbour won a scratch and win lotterly and became an instant millionaire. I asked him a year later if his quality of life has improved, and he answered "absolutely".
He basically said that it didn't buy him any happiness, but it baught him securty, and piece of mind. He said that it was easier for him to relax, and enjoy the things that he enjoys.
Money can reduce the stresses of everyday life. More money can reduce stress even further. I am venturing to say that a lot of depression, whether genetic or not, is triggered by stressfull life events. Being a dentist is can be very stressfull, as can being a psychiatrist. But if you had enough money to do what you wanted to do, I think you have a better chance at recovery.
When a celebrity becomes depressed, I would think that it is a result of the incredable amount of stress put on them. Having money is only one factor. I mean you'd still have to be doing something you enjoyed, and found fufulling.
Lets suppose that you had some strange metabolic disorder that was causing your severe depression. More money means a more thorough investigation, which would lead to a higher likelyhood of uncovering the issue.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2006, at 20:18:21
In reply to Re: No one is immune-Linkadge, posted by linkadge on July 8, 2006, at 18:34:26
Link I agree completly and I've said this to so many people but they don't believe it. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2006, at 20:20:07
In reply to Re: No one is immune-fuchsia, posted by cecilia on July 8, 2006, at 6:08:02
Cecelia that's something else I've always said the relief of no side effects you just say ahhhh. I feel so much better now. Love Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on July 9, 2006, at 0:42:23
In reply to Re: No one is immune-fuchsia » cecilia, posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2006, at 20:20:07
I think that "money can't buy happiness" is something that poor people like me would like to believe.
Linkadge
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