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Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2006, at 2:31:36
In reply to Re: I think I owe you an apology, Vader40 » gardenergirl, posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 1:18:51
Thanks, Ace. I do indeed apologize to Vader40.
gg
Posted by jedi on June 20, 2006, at 4:26:18
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by Vader40 on June 19, 2006, at 23:42:44
> First of all I am sorry for my bad english. This is for someone who wants answer. I have been taken nardil for 12 days 60 mg per day in two doses.
>
> How many time i will have to wait until the nardil takes effect? Because until now i feel nothing.
>
> How many quantity of nardil do you recommend me to take until it takes effect? And how must I take it?
>
> I am desperate, I feel like i would have to wait an eternity to feel the nardil begins to act.Hi Vader40,
For me, a long time user of Nardil, it takes about five or six weeks for the med to take effect after the right dose is reached. The published effective dose is 1mg/kg of body weight. Of course, some people respond to less and others to more. The first couple of times I used Nardil for my major atypical depression and social anxiety, the effect was like night and day. When the medication started working it was like no other med I have ever taken. And I've taken more than 35 different combinations of meds. If you have high anxiety or social anxiety, I've found the use of a benzodiazapine, such as Klonopin, can help you get through the bad times until the Nardil starts to work. I still take clonazepam at 1mg on a daily basis, for my social anxiety.
Good Luck and Get Well,
Jedi
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2006, at 21:18:57
In reply to Re: I think I owe you an apology, Vader40 » ace, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2006, at 2:31:36
I need to apologize too. Ace I thought you said not to give out your E-mail? Love Phillipa
Posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:08:27
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 19, 2006, at 18:51:19
Hey friend!
Now, the Nardil take, have always taken, since 5 yrs ago, has not and does not have silica gel inside them. Unless my eyes decieve me grossly.
The Nardil I take has always been the same in terms of the lack of this silica gel issue.
However, I am going to ring both Link and the TGA (equivalant governmental body to FDA in Australia) to see if any incipients have changed over time. However, I don't believe they have. I believe the Nardil which caused bliss 5 yrs ago is the same Nardil as I take now.
My biggest mistake was to cease Nardil when it was providing an UNBELEAVABLE robust remission of my depressive illness, indeed, it was causing a 'healthy' euphoria, and start Clomipramine.
This, I believe began the cycling in and out of healthy euphoria, and subsequent declining in theraputic effect. However Nardil still does provide significant help. But, in contrast to yrs ago, it does not seem to be able to "keep me going" with its euphoria even in the face of negative environmental factors. I believe enzyme induction provides a clue, but I have many theories.....
Just a question, with regards to the oxidation of aqueous hydrazine, are you certain the ammonium ion is one (of many) by products????
And what other byproducts can you ascertain?Thanks so much friend, pls respond!
Ace
Posted by Tomatheus on June 21, 2006, at 5:28:10
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Tomatheus, posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:08:27
Ace,
I guess I need to clarify some of my statements from my previous post:
** I am not claiming that the actual formulation of the Australian Nardil has changed. As far as I know, the medications' excipients are still as follows: mannitol, povidone, maize starch, magnesium stearate, and the film coating (Opadry 20A25096 Red).
** It was not my intention to make it seem like silica gel was an ingredient in the Australian Nardil. What I'm saying is that *each bottle* of Australian Nardil used to have a little gray cylindrical object filled with silica gel inside of it (along with the 100 tablets). The new bottles, with an expiration date of 12/2006 or (probably) later, only have the tablets inside of them -- no silica gel.
I know this because I used to order the Australian Nardil from an online pharmacy (I live in the U.S.) and take it using a special enteric capsule preparation method. Until I received the bottles with an expiration date of 12/2006 on them, they always had silica gel inside of them. And as I mentioned in my previous post, I started feeling drastically worse -- both physically and mentally -- within a few days of taking the Australian Nardil from one of the new silica gel-free bottles.
** When the tablets inside the new silica gel-free bottles of Australian Nardil leave the factory, they're probably not much different chemical-wise from the tablets that were in the older bottles that had silica gel inside of them. But the Nardil tablets inside the new silica gel-free bottles do not have the "protection" against moisture that the tablets in the older bottles had (and the "protection" that I'm referring to is, of course, the silica gel that was in the older bottles).
So, for example, if the bottles of Nardil that you received during your last visit to the pharmacy (assuming that you receive the original Link bottles with 100 tablets in them) were exposed to significant amounts of moisture at any point between when they left the factory and when you received them from your pharmacist, the tablets inside those bottles probably aren't "fresh." In other words, any hydrazine that might have formed from the phenelzine sulfate in the tablets probably underwent extensive chemical degradation as a result of being exposed to too much moisture.
In a study of time-dependent hydrazine levels in phenelzine and other hydrazine-derivative medications, Lovering et al. (1983) found that phenelzine tablets from one lot ("Lot C") contained an average of 47 micrograms of hydrazine and that the tablets from a second lot ("Lot D") contained an average of 40 micrograms of hydrazine. For both lots, the measurements that I referred to in the previous sentence were taken before the tablets were exposed to any experimental conditions. The authors of the study also found that hydrazine levels in phenelzine tablets dropped considerably after the tablets were stored at 80 or 100 percent relative humidity. They further went on to state that "the data obtained from the samples stored in sealed containers show that these decreases can be attributed to chemical degradation rather than evaporation of the hydrazine" (Lovering et al., 1983, 966).
I suppose it's theoretically possible that the Nardil bottles that you picked up on your last trip to the pharmacy *might* not have been exposed to enough moisture since arriving from the factory for the hydrazine inside the tablets to undergo significant chemical degradation. This possibility, however, is not very likely considering that the instructions on the bottle say to refrigerate the medication. If your pharmacists followed the instructions on the bottle and kept your Nardil refrigerated before dispensing it to you, then the tablets that you received were almost definitely exposed to more than enough moisture to potentiate the degradation of hydrazine.
Finally, regarding your question about the oxidization of aqueous hydrazine, the research reports that I've come across do suggest that the ammonium ion could result from the oxidization of aqueous hydrazine (N2H5+), depending on what the oxidizing agent is.
In reviewing the literature that had been published on the oxidization of hydrazine in solution up to that point, Cahn & Powell (1954) identified three oxidization reactions:
1) N2H5+ = 4e- + N2 + 5H+
2) N2H5+ = e- + NH4+ + 0.5N2 + H+
3) N2H5+ = 2e- + 0.5HN3 + 0.5NH4+ + 2.5H+
According to Cahn & Powell (1954), some oxidizing agents give one of the three reactions identified above, and others give reactions 1 and 2 together. (That's about the extent to which I can make sense of the article, given my limited knowledge of chemistry.)
As you can see, reactions 2 and 3 would both produce the ammonium ion (NH4+) as one of the byproducts. Other byproducts of the oxidization of hydrazine include nitrogen gas (N2), the hydronium ion (H+), and hydrazoic acid (HN3).
To be honest with you, I don't know enough about chemistry to tell you whether any of the excipients in the Australian Nardil could react with aqueous hydrazine to produce any of the oxidization reactions that Cahn & Powell (1954) identified.
But I can say the following:
* Ammonium has been confirmed to be a byproduct of the oxidization of hydrazine, at least in the presence of certain oxidizing agents.
* After I started taking the Australian Nardil from the new silica gel-free bottles, I experienced several signs of mild hyperammonemia: urinary retention (I had none when I was taking my specially prepared version of the Australian Nardil until I received the silica gel-free bottles), lethargy, poor coordination, agitation, and reduced appetite.
* Even if it's the case that ammonium is not produced as a result of the moisture-induced chemical degradation of hydrazine in Nardil tablets, the absence of silica gel inside the newer bottles of the Australian Nardil does allow for the accumulation of excessive moisture inside the bottles. And as Lovering et al. (1983) demonstrated, the hydrazine in phenelzine tablets that are stored in humid conditions undergoes rapid chemical degradation.
So, if nothing else, the silica gel that was inside the older bottles of the Australian Nardil (those with expiration dates older than 9/2006 -- and I'm not sure about 10/2006 or 11/2006) helped keep the chemical composition of the tablets intact between the time that the Nardil left the factory and the time that you picked it up from your pharmacy. And, considering that I began feeling mentally and physically awful within days of taking the Australian Nardil from the silica gel-free bottles (and the fact that over the past two or three months you've reported receiving a less robust response on Nardil than you had been receiving previously), I think that Link Pharmaceuticals and the TGA definitely need to be notified about the potential therapeutic consequences of shipping out Nardil bottles without any silica gel inside of them.
I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or if there's anything else that I can do to help make Link and/or the TGA aware of this situation.
(A very tired) Tomatheus (even with my screwed-up sleep schedule)
==
REFERENCES
Cahn, J. W., & Powell, R. E. (1954). Oxidization of hydrazine in solution. Journal of the American Chemical Society, 76, 2568-2572.
Lovering, E. G., Matsui, F., Curran, N. M., Robertson, D. L., & Sears, R. W. (1983). Hydrazine levels in formulations of hydralazine, isoniazid, and phenelzine over a 2-year period. Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences, 72, 965-967.
==
> Hey friend!
>
> Now, the Nardil take, have always taken, since 5 yrs ago, has not and does not have silica gel inside them. Unless my eyes decieve me grossly.
>
> The Nardil I take has always been the same in terms of the lack of this silica gel issue.
>
> However, I am going to ring both Link and the TGA (equivalant governmental body to FDA in Australia) to see if any incipients have changed over time. However, I don't believe they have. I believe the Nardil which caused bliss 5 yrs ago is the same Nardil as I take now.
>
> My biggest mistake was to cease Nardil when it was providing an UNBELEAVABLE robust remission of my depressive illness, indeed, it was causing a 'healthy' euphoria, and start Clomipramine.
>
> This, I believe began the cycling in and out of healthy euphoria, and subsequent declining in theraputic effect. However Nardil still does provide significant help. But, in contrast to yrs ago, it does not seem to be able to "keep me going" with its euphoria even in the face of negative environmental factors. I believe enzyme induction provides a clue, but I have many theories.....
>
> Just a question, with regards to the oxidation of aqueous hydrazine, are you certain the ammonium ion is one (of many) by products????
> And what other byproducts can you ascertain?
>
> Thanks so much friend, pls respond!
>
> Ace
>
>
Posted by ace on June 22, 2006, at 6:48:25
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 21, 2006, at 5:28:10
Sorry man, have to be real quick...library closing....
There has NEVER been anything other than 100 orange pills in my Nardil bottle. There is no product with it...ie. no silicia gel...
I'm sure you know what u mean...like when their is a dessicate in a product (clothes)
Posted by Psycho Killer on June 22, 2006, at 12:59:37
In reply to Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by ace on June 19, 2006, at 6:50:56
I have read that you have all these disorders
Major Depression
Social Phobia/Anxiety
Derealization phenomena with phobic anxiety:
OCD
GADMan this is too much for anyone. I will give an advise: To kill yourself
Here you have a web that will help you a lot:
[xxx]
A big salute ACE in madness.
Posted by gardenergirl on June 22, 2006, at 13:34:44
In reply to Ace you are a fu***ing madman, posted by Psycho Killer on June 22, 2006, at 12:59:37
> I will give an advise: To kill yourself
Please don't suggest that others harm themselves or use this site to exchange information that could be used to harm.
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Regards,
deputy gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 22, 2006, at 13:35:44
In reply to Ace you are a fu***ing madman, posted by Psycho Killer on June 22, 2006, at 12:59:37
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 22, 2006, at 14:57:25
In reply to Please be civil » Psycho Killer, posted by gardenergirl on June 22, 2006, at 13:34:44
> Please don't suggest that others harm themselves or use this site to exchange information that could be used to harm.
Also, please don't post under more than one name at the same time or change your posting name without following these steps:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
I'm going to block this name, please either return to your previous one or switch (following the above steps) to another new one.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Declan on June 22, 2006, at 16:02:20
In reply to Ace you are a fu***ing madman, posted by Psycho Killer on June 22, 2006, at 12:59:37
Good Heavens
Posted by Tomatheus on June 22, 2006, at 20:12:47
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Tomatheus, posted by ace on June 22, 2006, at 6:48:25
> There has NEVER been anything other than 100 orange pills in my Nardil bottle. There is no product with it...ie. no silicia gel...
>
> I'm sure you know what u mean...like when their is a dessicate in a product (clothes)Hmm... That's interesting. I do believe you, but I also know that until I received the bottles with an expiration date of 12/2006, the ones that *I* received from my online pharmacy had a little cylindrical object filled with silica gel inside of them.
The only thing that I can think of is that maybe Link used to put silica gel inside only in bottles that they would send out to mail-order pharmacies, but even I find that idea to be somewhat far-fetched (I'm just trying to think of possibilities).
I'll keep pondering this ... but I kind of have a feeling that I won't be able to come up with any real logical way of explaining this.
Finally, I'd like to thank you for all of the responses that you've written. May your reign as the Nardil champ continue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry everyone, I couldn't resist "pulling an Ace" with all of those exclamation points)
Keep rockin'
Tomatheus
Posted by gardenergirl on June 22, 2006, at 21:36:52
In reply to Re: Ace you are a fu***ing madman » Psycho Killer, posted by Declan on June 22, 2006, at 16:02:20
Posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 21:57:10
In reply to Ace you are a fu***ing madman, posted by Psycho Killer on June 22, 2006, at 12:59:37
> I have read that you have all these disorders
>
> Major Depression
> Social Phobia/Anxiety
> Derealization phenomena with phobic anxiety:
> OCD
> GAD
>
> Man this is too much for anyone. I will give an advise: To kill yourself
>
> Here you have a web that will help you a lot:
>
> [xxx]
>
> A big salute ACE in madness.Listen buddy, who the heck do you think u r? Killing myself is out of the question, my will is strong. Dude, don't go and post this sort of nonsense on a site where people do have suicidal urges.....and I expect an apology. My diagnosis has been verified by over 15 doctors....do you know anything about mental illness?
Learn some respect brother
Ace
Hey mate...'MADNESS' and mental illness is no fun...seems you like to glorify it....
Posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 21:59:10
In reply to Re: blocked » Psycho Killer, posted by Dr. Bob on June 22, 2006, at 14:57:25
> > Please don't suggest that others harm themselves or use this site to exchange information that could be used to harm.
>
> Also, please don't post under more than one name at the same time or change your posting name without following these steps:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
>
> I'm going to block this name, please either return to your previous one or switch (following the above steps) to another new one.
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobBob,
I also find hid/her name offensive and in contrast to civility....I urge you request this individual use another naem....
Posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 22:08:04
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 22, 2006, at 20:12:47
> > There has NEVER been anything other than 100 orange pills in my Nardil bottle. There is no product with it...ie. no silicia gel...
> >
> > I'm sure you know what u mean...like when their is a dessicate in a product (clothes)
>
> Hmm... That's interesting. I do believe you, but I also know that until I received the bottles with an expiration date of 12/2006, the ones that *I* received from my online pharmacy had a little cylindrical object filled with silica gel inside of them.But you were recieving them from Australia when you were located in USA? Correct? That could be the secret, over long distances this silica gel was placed in the Nardil. Link is basically a 30 mins train trip for me, so, this silica gel may be not needed by virtue of our close proximities? Does that make sense? hop i articulated OK....!
>
> The only thing that I can think of is that maybe Link used to put silica gel inside only in bottles that they would send out to mail-order pharmacies, but even I find that idea to be somewhat far-fetched (I'm just trying to think of possibilities).That's basically my view I stated above
>
> I'll keep pondering this ... but I kind of have a feeling that I won't be able to come up with any real logical way of explaining this.
>
> Finally, I'd like to thank you for all of the responses that you've written.Mate, I got to Thank YOU for all you well thought ought and scholarly posts you have written to me. It is very kind of you, and I appreciate it very much....you are a good person!
May your reign as the Nardil champ continue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry everyone, I couldn't resist "pulling an Ace" with all of those exclamation points)
>
> Keep rockin'
>
> TomatheusI always do!!!!!!!! Hey man, I play in a band, so I will keep rocking literally! And yes, I am still the heavyweight champ of Nardil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God Bless my friend!!!!!!
Ace, The Nardil Champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS- i will ring link Monday....if you want, please jot me down a few qstns you would like me to ask on ur behalf.....
Posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 22:46:47
In reply to Re: Ace you are a fu***ing madman » Psycho Killer, posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 21:57:10
> > I have read that you have all these disorders
> >
> > Major Depression
> > Social Phobia/Anxiety
> > Derealization phenomena with phobic anxiety:
> > OCD
> > GAD
> >
> > Man this is too much for anyone. I will give an advise: To kill yourself
> >
> > Here you have a web that will help you a lot:
> >
> > [xxx]
> >
> > A big salute ACE in madness.
>
> Listen buddy, who the heck do you think u r? Killing myself is out of the question, my will is strong. Dude, don't go and post this sort of nonsense on a site where people do have suicidal urges.....and I expect an apology. My diagnosis has been verified by over 15 doctors....do you know anything about mental illness?
>
> Learn some respect brother
> Ace
>
>
> Hey mate...'MADNESS' and mental illness is no fun...seems you like to glorify it....
I apologize if I came across aggressive, but I felt hurt by Psycho Killer's message....and I don't think it would help anyone on this great site......Ace
Posted by naughtypuppy on June 24, 2006, at 5:09:32
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 22, 2006, at 20:12:47
I agree with the block. This person went way over the line. Ace is just slightly enthusiastic.
Posted by Crazy Horse on June 24, 2006, at 12:03:38
In reply to Re: Ace you are a fu***ing madman » ace, posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 22:46:47
> > > I have read that you have all these disorders
> > >
> > > Major Depression
> > > Social Phobia/Anxiety
> > > Derealization phenomena with phobic anxiety:
> > > OCD
> > > GAD
> > >
> > > Man this is too much for anyone. I will give an advise: To kill yourself
> > >
> > > Here you have a web that will help you a lot:
> > >
> > > [xxx]
> > >
> > > A big salute ACE in madness.
> >
> > Listen buddy, who the heck do you think u r? Killing myself is out of the question, my will is strong. Dude, don't go and post this sort of nonsense on a site where people do have suicidal urges.....and I expect an apology. My diagnosis has been verified by over 15 doctors....do you know anything about mental illness?
> >
> > Learn some respect brother
> > Ace
> >
> >
> > Hey mate...'MADNESS' and mental illness is no fun...seems you like to glorify it....
>
>
> I apologize if I came across aggressive, but I felt hurt by Psycho Killer's message....and I don't think it would help anyone on this great site......
>
> Ace
>
>
Hey Ace,I'm sorry that you even had to read such a terrible mean spirited comment posted by "psycho killer"...makes me want to vomit!!
From what i know of you, you are a strong spirit, and a very compassionate and fine human being. You will prevail...keep the great attitude and continue to fight! I wish you only the best friend. :)Monte
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 21:04:22
In reply to Re: Ace you are a fu***ing madman, posted by Crazy Horse on June 24, 2006, at 12:03:38
> Hey Ace,
>
> I'm sorry that you even had to read such a terrible mean spirited comment posted by "psycho killer"...makes me want to vomit!!
> From what i know of you, you are a strong spirit, and a very compassionate and fine human being. You will prevail...keep the great attitude and continue to fight! I wish you only the best friend. :)
>
> MonteThanks so very much for your lovely sentiments! I very much feel priveleged to be on a site with people like you....and yes, Ace will nEVER surrender!!!!
God Bless you!
Ace
Posted by Tomatheus on June 24, 2006, at 21:10:08
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Tomatheus, posted by ace on June 23, 2006, at 22:08:04
> PS- i will ring link Monday....if you want, please jot me down a few qstns you would like me to ask on ur behalf.....
>
>Ace,
Thanks for your awesome response. It's great to hear that you'll keep rockin' (literally) and that you seem to be doing well. And it seems like you haven't allowed "PsychoKiller's" inflammatory posts get to you too much, which of course is great.
Just one question... would it be ok if I get back to you with my proposed questions for Link via e-mail? I'll e-mail you from this address: tomatheus50@gmail.com.
Is yours still the one that you posted at this link?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050719/msgs/530971.html
Let me know.
Thanks,
Tomatheus
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 26, 2006, at 1:28:32
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 24, 2006, at 21:10:08
> a terrible mean spirited comment
>
> Crazy Horse> inflammatory posts
>
> TomatheusPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, even if it's to support someone else.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by ace on June 28, 2006, at 22:21:00
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 24, 2006, at 21:10:08
> > PS- i will ring link Monday....if you want, please jot me down a few qstns you would like me to ask on ur behalf.....
> >
> >
>
> Ace,
>
> Thanks for your awesome response. It's great to hear that you'll keep rockin' (literally) and that you seem to be doing well. And it seems like you haven't allowed "PsychoKiller's" inflammatory posts get to you too much, which of course is great.
>
> Just one question... would it be ok if I get back to you with my proposed questions for Link via e-mail? I'll e-mail you from this address: tomatheus50@gmail.com.
>
> Is yours still the one that you posted at this link?
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050719/msgs/530971.html
>
> Let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Tomatheus
Sure mate not a prob! I await your email!!!!!Ace
Posted by Tomatheus on June 28, 2006, at 23:29:19
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Tomatheus, posted by ace on June 28, 2006, at 22:21:00
> Sure mate not a prob! I await your email!!!!!
>
> Ace
>Ace,
I sent you an e-mail on Sunday, but you must not have received it. I'll try sending it to you again right after I finish posting this message. If you don't get it, please send a blank e-mail to my address (tomatheus50@gmail.com).
Thanks,
Tomatheus
Posted by ace on July 13, 2006, at 5:09:56
In reply to Re: Taking Nardil to the EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 28, 2006, at 23:29:19
> > Sure mate not a prob! I await your email!!!!!
> >
> > Ace
> >
>
> Ace,
>
> I sent you an e-mail on Sunday, but you must not have received it. I'll try sending it to you again right after I finish posting this message. If you don't get it, please send a blank e-mail to my address (tomatheus50@gmail.com).
>
> Thanks,
> Tomatheus
Hey Tom...the head honcho at Link is still on holidays...I ring every second day....should be back next week i believe...i still have all your qstns and will get answers for all (don't worry bro, I'm a sweet talker!!)cheers man!
Ace
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