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Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:04:24
Marty Starting Parnate Journal
- Introduction - Hope this board respected administrators will accept this cute type of humor. :)
** THIS POST ISN'T ABOUT A WITHDRAWAL - IT IS ABOUT AN UNWISE GUY (me) CHOOSING TO TAKE A RED PILL (Parnate), NOT COMING FROM MORPHEUS ( Laurence Fishburne lol).. AND LIVING ALL KINDS OF RISKY MISADVENTURES, UNTIL ONE DAY HE (I hope) ENJOYS THE PARNATE FEELING, TAKING A DEEP BREATH LIKE A WINNER, LOOKING AT THE STARS, GIRLFRIEND TYING THE KNOTS ON HIS SHOES, TELLING TO HIMSELF: It was risky but I did it, and so now I can do it. it was hard but I did it, so it is harder now and she knows it. Parnate me for saying this, but SEX now's worth it, cause now I'M FEELING IT. ***
Friends, babblers, google bot and others,
This is my new and improved thread about me in the red corner and Parnate in every others.
My appologies to everyone who started to follow my initial thread about me starting Parnate. I've since last Thursday had some technical difficulty at the " "Health" " level. Details comings...
SO.. I guess you wanna bet some pills on one of those fighters ? first let see what's the word on the streets.
== PARNATE DAY 2 : Thursday April 13
== NARDIL WITHDRAWAL DAY 7
=
= 1. Didnt sleep at all
2. Wake up 4h30 with Gallstones crisis -> ER
3. Back@home 8h30 with father. Blood Pressure: 137/72.
4. Round 2. Taking Parnate 30mg.
5. 30mins later: Blood Pressure: 188/?. -> ER
6. 3 mins later, in car: BP 207/?
7. 4 min later, in car: BP 227/?
Commentary: Hmm.. 188,207,277 each at ~4 min intervals.
So BP Systolic +20 for each ~4 min!
GREAT Since ER is still ONLY at ~14 mins!
Forget 'windows calculator' heres the math:
277 + (( ~20/4) x 20) = BP 377 :)
Yes Google Bot, 377 means kapout before ER.
Why didn't I called an ambulance @ home ?
Too bright 10110110 swamp, hate you google.
Ok, what about I didn't imagine the BP could rise sooo fast ?
.. or felt one ambulance a day was enough? hmm.8. As I start to praying god to save the son
of my father's wife, I saw the most
beautiful word in the universe:
C A R D I O L O G I S T S
9. Force my father to make a U-turn on a red light with his speeding old rusty van. break. enter the building.
10. Can you say CardiologistZZZZZ ? It happens to be the speciality of the house. :) (yes..)
11. Not sweet enough yet; Bureaucracy challenge at BP ~227, insane heartbeat..
12. "But this is not an ER my young friends!" told me 3 (THREE) secretary I had to run office to office.
13. A nurse catch me. sat me. take my pressure: BP 246.
13-B like B*tch. she don't call a cardiologist. she dont want to nifedipine me.
13-C like a smelly C*& whatever. She TRY to understand the Parnate vs Nardil withdrawal thing.
14. My girlfriend cry. I can't see shhh. blured, whirls, black.
15. Here's what I hear "Parnate.. no, yes.. I'll call the pharmacy.. Well Ginette is you can be ready for 7am I can *inaudible chatty crap* It's busy.. nooo. it's not an ER Mr.*whatever* knows *@!&* jack sh*t* like an OD, Parnate also talk about N-> O <-RDIL I'll *.....
16. My eyes open with a rush of adrenaline. I think my heart will fail.
84. Another person (chief nurse? Md?) says I'm at BP 179/? ... vision back to normal bad
91. ~10min? BP 155 .. my father and girlfriend lift me on my feet, we are going..
Final punch .. back@home laying on the bed. I wake up, girlfriend by my side. Knowing how fragile she is I guess she must have been traumatized by the event, so I decided to be very delicate with her.. I shout "I CANT FEEEEL IT!! I CANT FEEEL IT! OHH MY GOD!!!" .. she blank and afraid "OOOH NOO! what? f*ck what do you not feel?"
.. replied "MY DICK! CAN'T FEEL IT!"
"Eh Wait! yeahh ok memories coming back now.. GOD DAMN SSRI's!"Ah ah ah .. I laught, she's pissed.
Asked her how it has all finished, what they told them, what they gave me etc...
THEY SAID "155 will be OK. You should tell HIS DOC about this event, he may not do it himself. Bed. No coffee. Good luck here's the door ->"
Though it was a suicidal attempt? I think they didn't think nothing.. simply took the simple explanation not understanding the f*ck I told them about MAOI's etc
Now where's my needle hole ? it was a pill baby ?
-> NO PILLS - NO I-V - NO NOTHING AT BP SYSTOLIC 246 !!!?????You think it's unreal ? wait...
I have no damage at all. at all. damage. I. I. no. da da da da maaaaaaaage.
AND ALL THE WAY, FROM THE START TO THE END I WAS, EXCEPT FOR MY VISION AND BLACKOUT, ASYMPTOMATIC !!!
No symptoms! no headache from the back of the head. no dizziness, puke etc.. I've been even told that I wasn't much face red..
Do you think like I was that you could know, BE SURE, of an hypertensive problem by having a symptom lets say the famous headache ? Well my friends, babblers, Google bot and others, you could be as asymptomatic as I was.. reaching an insane BP in a couple of minutes, while yes.. feeling weird bad couple of glitches .. not having a BP taking device .. then BAAAAAAM!
Maybe you all know about this but be sure it's not something my Pdoc told me.. maybe the asymptomatic hypertensive crisis is rare.. don't know much.. but some literature care enough to mention it. Guess some Pdoc would not like their patients to do anxiety about thinking they could blow anytime without signs ;)
Next post tomorow..
Saturday 23: ROUND 3 - The ER Parnate experiment!
Plus Sunday 24: No yet title, didn't happened yet :S
Hope you liked my first book.Risky Marty
(Not Ricky Martin! DAMN GOOGLE BOT!)
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:17:51
In reply to PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:04:24
Fellows, I feeled the need to explain my introduction :)= Some may not have read my previous post and don't get it at all, so here's the things:With all antidepressive I had "GENITAL ANESTHESIA", a side effect; I don't feel my genitals. (Yeah google bot, that big clean thing
right there.)And so I have some hope that Parnate would not cause me GENITAL ANESTHESIA and that I could "-> FINALLY FEEL IT <-" :P
Here's the introduction so you can re-interpret it. ;)
> ** THIS POST ISN'T ABOUT A WITHDRAWAL - IT IS ABOUT AN UNWISE GUY (me) CHOOSING TO TAKE A RED PILL (Parnate), NOT COMING FROM MORPHEUS ( Laurence Fishburne lol).. AND LIVING ALL KINDS OF RISKY MISADVENTURES, UNTIL ONE DAY HE (I hope) ENJOYS THE PARNATE FEELING, TAKING A DEEP BREATH LIKE A WINNER, LOOKING AT THE STARS, GIRLFRIEND TYING THE KNOTS ON HIS SHOES, TELLING TO HIMSELF: It was risky but I did it, and so now I can do it. it was hard but I did it, so it is harder now and she knows it. Parnate me for saying this, but SEX now's worth it, cause now I'M FEELING IT. ***
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 3:01:15
Hi everyoneFor the detailed version:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060417/msgs/636027.htmlHere's the short and sweet version:
Second day of Parnate 30mg (all in the morning) was 7 days after my last dose of Nardil 90mg.
Well ~40mins after taking my 30mg dose I was with a nurse and a BP systolic of ~240; near completely asymptomatic (blurred vision & a blackout).
What does it mean ? I'm at day 10 today, I tried 10mg (with medical personel) today a took a raise of 27 point on systolic; from 134 to 161.
Is it again because of Nardil ? after 10 days ?
Am I imcompatible with Parnate for unknown reasons ?I need serious help right now, cause I dont know what do think, what to do... and I really want Parnate to work but I really want to stay alive.. hard dilem here
Hope someone here's smarter than me on this
Shouldn't be too toughMarty
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2006, at 9:08:01
In reply to Nardil 2 Parnate - BP ~240 in less than 40 mins, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 3:01:15
You might want to discontinue Parnate now and restart it in a week or so. There have been cases where someone will have a hypertensive reaction to Parnate despite the absence of confounding interactions. Often, these same people tolerate it well when rechallenged sometime later.
It is possible that the reaction will subside even if you continue with treatment. I have seen reports of this. However, this might not be the prudent thing to do. If I were a doctor, I would opt for discontinuation now and rechallenge later with a more gradual titration.
- Scott
>
> Hi everyone
>
> For the detailed version:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060417/msgs/636027.html
>
> Here's the short and sweet version:
>
> Second day of Parnate 30mg (all in the morning) was 7 days after my last dose of Nardil 90mg.
>
> Well ~40mins after taking my 30mg dose I was with a nurse and a BP systolic of ~240; near completely asymptomatic (blurred vision & a blackout).
>
> What does it mean ? I'm at day 10 today, I tried 10mg (with medical personel) today a took a raise of 27 point on systolic; from 134 to 161.
>
> Is it again because of Nardil ? after 10 days ?
> Am I imcompatible with Parnate for unknown reasons ?
>
> I need serious help right now, cause I dont know what do think, what to do... and I really want Parnate to work but I really want to stay alive.. hard dilem here
>
> Hope someone here's smarter than me on this
> Shouldn't be too tough
>
> Marty
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 9:22:09
In reply to PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:04:24
YOU are Crazy my man, gunna have to start calling you "Manic Marty" :) Actually, very well written and hilarious to boot!
Dang, what are we gunna do with you boy? This bp thing has got me baffled. What do you think of my idea of trying a hypertensive med for the first month or so? I little high bp when beginning Parnate is normal for some people, me included. But yours, 246 is WAY to freakin' high!
Oh yea, i forgot to tell you. Most "experts" believe the number one reason people fail on Parnate is because their doses are too low. The 60 mg. recommendation many believe is followed mainly because of Litigation reasons. 60 mgs is high enough for some people, but many like myself need higher or much higher doses. If i was still on 60mgs. i would still be depressed, anxious etc.
I'm going to do some research today to see what i can find out about Parnate and early hypertension probs. Have a good day my friend.
-Monte
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 10:22:08
In reply to PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:04:24
Just Googled Parnate and early hypertension. Read a few articles that said high bp when starting Parnate is normal, said high is normal and do not be overly concerned because it will pass and then you actually will probably experience hypotension. For hypotension increasind salt intake is helpful.
I thought this was normal, but obviously 246 is not! Hmmmmm...maybe keep an eye on it, but accept that 180-190 is probably going to happen..it's just temporary and you won't stroke out at this reading. Over 200, yes i would become concerned. Anyway, i hope this helps some, and i don't think you are stupid to continue Parnate...Scott's advice below makes a lot of sense also. What do you think?
-Monte
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 10:38:47
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 10:22:08
Hey peopleThanks to have taken the time to read my post.
I've think about what you both said.
SLS, you're right about rechallenging later: Nardil would be far away and in the mean time it would give me a break..
Thanks Monte for the research, I'm feeling so tired and weird that I wasn't able to find it my self. So I should accept to get a SBP of 180.. Is there any risk of whatsoever at that level ? I'm a little (BIG TIME) scared my BP that raise above 160 since my bad experience. I'm so stressed that I can play with my BP measuring device like it was a f***ing gameboy! ;)
Well.. Monte, Scott.. What would you think if I were keeping a small dose of 5mg a day ? at 10mg I raised 20 points, so I may juste raise 10 points with 5mg.. but even if it was 20mg it would be super fine with me.It would act like a probe, coming back to tell me if my system CAN adapt to Parnate and tell me WHEN so I can start the titration. And since I'm feeling going down more each day, I think a (VERY) little something could help me, even if we only talk of the sedation it gives me.
5mg, what do you think ?
Marty
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 11:17:48
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 10:38:47
>
> Hey people
>
> Thanks to have taken the time to read my post.
>
> I've think about what you both said.
>
> SLS, you're right about rechallenging later: Nardil would be far away and in the mean time it would give me a break..
>
> Thanks Monte for the research, I'm feeling so tired and weird that I wasn't able to find it my self. So I should accept to get a SBP of 180.. Is there any risk of whatsoever at that level ? I'm a little (BIG TIME) scared my BP that raise above 160 since my bad experience. I'm so stressed that I can play with my BP measuring device like it was a f***ing gameboy! ;)
>
>
> Well.. Monte, Scott.. What would you think if I were keeping a small dose of 5mg a day ? at 10mg I raised 20 points, so I may juste raise 10 points with 5mg.. but even if it was 20mg it would be super fine with me.
>
> It would act like a probe, coming back to tell me if my system CAN adapt to Parnate and tell me WHEN so I can start the titration. And since I'm feeling going down more each day, I think a (VERY) little something could help me, even if we only talk of the sedation it gives me.
>
> 5mg, what do you think ?
>
> MartyMarty when I was hospitalised at the age of 22 with my first "breakdown" my bp was 190/90 consistently for a long time, and i was in super physical condition back then, played football, basketball, lifted weights, ate lot's of pu..oh, guess that's not a sport..LOL. Anyway the doc and nurses kept telling me not to worry about my bp being so high, said it was because i was so anxious and would go down later, anyway i'm still alive and well at 47.
I like Scott's idea of waiting. I know you are anxious to start, but i agree, a fresh start in a week might make all the difference in the world. Then i would start at 10 mgs. Sorry Charlie, but if you stroke out you'll never get that p*cker of yours up...think about that. Wait is my advice...I don't feel like flying up to northern Canada for your funeral my friend (just kidding, kind of) Let me know.
-Monte
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:14:37
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 11:17:48
But buying a ticket to Canada would be just great for your wallet; imagine all the bucks you would save of meds! (on disability all I take cost my 20$ CAD a month.. it's a shame)Whatever, I'm to busy being anxious and depressed to die. Don't have time for such superflous activity. :*)
Hmmm.. I just don't know Monte. I respect your ideal and has made it one of mines.. but ..Don't really sure what would be best.
My idea of keeping a 5mg dose for 1 weeks isn't based on my desire to start Parnate ASAP but more to condition my body to cool down on the drug. I don't have the feeling that it is related to Nardil anymore and so if I wait for a rechallenge I may just start again from the beginning.
And as you know, my 10mg test at the ER only brought me to 160 for about 45 min. Which is pretty good considering you were at 190 (180) with no problem. Dont you agree ?
Now if 10mg is super fine and that I drop it to 5mg .. What could happen ? even if it gives me 160mg for 45 min like 10mg it will still be super fine.
Hope you will pray for me even if I'll go with my plan ;) and btw, I dont care being preached if it's inspiring. New aspects, interests, philosophy in my life is something I'll look more and more forward. I'm sure it will be part of my recovery.You told me you would think super safe about my Parnatage and that's what you do. You care. And I thank you a lot for that.
So I'll get some pictures ? :) I'll try to do the same.
Marty
No one can have a higher opinion of him than I have, and I think he's a dirty little beast.
- WS Gilbert
> Marty when I was hospitalised at the age of 22 with my first "breakdown" my bp was 190/90 consistently for a long time, and i was in super physical condition back then, played football, basketball, lifted weights, ate lot's of pu..oh, guess that's not a sport..LOL. Anyway the doc and nurses kept telling me not to worry about my bp being so high, said it was because i was so anxious and would go down later, anyway i'm still alive and well at 47.
>
> I like Scott's idea of waiting. I know you are anxious to start, but i agree, a fresh start in a week might make all the difference in the world. Then i would start at 10 mgs. Sorry Charlie, but if you stroke out you'll never get that p*cker of yours up...think about that. Wait is my advice...I don't feel like flying up to northern Canada for your funeral my friend (just kidding, kind of) Let me know.
>
> -Monte
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:23:30
In reply to Re: Nardil 2 Parnate - BP ~240 in less than 40 min » MARTY, posted by SLS on April 23, 2006, at 9:08:01
If I cut a Parnate pill in two, will it be metabolized faster ? (so my pressure would increase faster)Marty
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:25:09
In reply to PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 0:04:24
If I cut a Parnate pill in two, will it be metabolized faster ? (so my pressure would increase faster)Marty
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 15:50:37
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » Crazy Horse, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:14:37
>
> But buying a ticket to Canada would be just great for your wallet; imagine all the bucks you would save of meds! (on disability all I take cost my 20$ CAD a month.. it's a shame)
>
> Whatever, I'm to busy being anxious and depressed to die. Don't have time for such superflous activity. :*)
>
> Hmmm.. I just don't know Monte. I respect your ideal and has made it one of mines.. but ..Don't really sure what would be best.
>
> My idea of keeping a 5mg dose for 1 weeks isn't based on my desire to start Parnate ASAP but more to condition my body to cool down on the drug. I don't have the feeling that it is related to Nardil anymore and so if I wait for a rechallenge I may just start again from the beginning.
>
> And as you know, my 10mg test at the ER only brought me to 160 for about 45 min. Which is pretty good considering you were at 190 (180) with no problem. Dont you agree ?
>
> Now if 10mg is super fine and that I drop it to 5mg .. What could happen ? even if it gives me 160mg for 45 min like 10mg it will still be super fine.
>
> Hope you will pray for me even if I'll go with my plan ;) and btw, I dont care being preached if it's inspiring. New aspects, interests, philosophy in my life is something I'll look more and more forward. I'm sure it will be part of my recovery.
>
> You told me you would think super safe about my Parnatage and that's what you do. You care. And I thank you a lot for that.
>
> So I'll get some pictures ? :) I'll try to do the same.
>
> Marty
>
> No one can have a higher opinion of him than I have, and I think he's a dirty little beast.
> - WS Gilbert
>
>
>
>
> > Marty when I was hospitalised at the age of 22 with my first "breakdown" my bp was 190/90 consistently for a long time, and i was in super physical condition back then, played football, basketball, lifted weights, ate lot's of pu..oh, guess that's not a sport..LOL. Anyway the doc and nurses kept telling me not to worry about my bp being so high, said it was because i was so anxious and would go down later, anyway i'm still alive and well at 47.
> >
> > I like Scott's idea of waiting. I know you are anxious to start, but i agree, a fresh start in a week might make all the difference in the world. Then i would start at 10 mgs. Sorry Charlie, but if you stroke out you'll never get that p*cker of yours up...think about that. Wait is my advice...I don't feel like flying up to northern Canada for your funeral my friend (just kidding, kind of) Let me know.
> >
> > -Monte
>
>Sounds like a good plan Marty, the 5mgs. for a week. And of course i will continue to pray for you, and Annie too..as you told me of her own battles. She is sssssoooooooooo good looking you lucky Bastard!! :) LOL
Monte
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 15:56:04
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:25:09
>
> If I cut a Parnate pill in two, will it be metabolized faster ? (so my pressure would increase faster)
>
> MartyGood Question...my GUESS would be yes, but at only 5 mgs., i think you'll be okay. You are a worry wort my man...i see a little OCD in there, similar to mine. Ha!
Monte
Posted by Caedmon on April 23, 2006, at 16:59:46
In reply to Re: Nardil 2 Parnate - BP ~240 in less than 40 min, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 14:23:30
I don't know if it's the Nardil or the Parnate reacting to itself (which it's known to do.) I agree with Scott's suggestion. And increase the dose SLOWLY.
This is one of the reasons my doc has me on a painfully slow titration schedule, was in case I should be the sort of person to get a spontaneous hypertensive reaction or hypotension (and syncope) or whatever. It's all about going slow with my pdoc. So I took 10mg for two days, then 20 mg for a week, and THEN took 30mg.
- C
Posted by Caedmon on April 23, 2006, at 17:14:31
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 15:56:04
Hi Marty, do you have an emergency hypertensive such as Thorazine or nifedipine? I think it might be a good thing to have around.
Good luck!
- C
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 17:14:42
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 15:50:37
LOL Sometimes I wish she would be ugly so I wouldn't miss the time I was more 'enjoying', ya know, our relation.. ;) kidding
My Plan ? which plan ? You mean the one I just finished to try ? :D Total success buddy:
5mg Resume: Baseline = 140
+8 points after 1 hour (BP 148)
-8 points (baseline) 10 min later (BP 140)
-8 in the hour that followedLeaving me with a BP 8 points UNDER my original baseline.
./--------/ \
/---------\/|
|::))):):)))):| |
|::::)):))::):)| |
|))::))):::)))| /
----------/Hey.. look!, I just ordered a full box of "Sm;)eys" materials on EBAY for when I'll top the Parnate mountain.. cause I plan to makes a lot of smiles :)
It seems that, to me, Parnate is acting much like a virgin: you cannot go to score right on the first date! you got to make her laugh, warm her, tingle her, SHOW YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE YOUR TIME, TO WAIT etc... and just when she suspect it the less.. *BAAAAM! f**k her up to 150mg :D
Marty
5 mg, Ooooookay, but every adventure got to start somewhere, right ? :D> Sounds like a good plan Marty, the 5mgs. for a week. And of course i will continue to pray for you, and Annie too..as you told me of her own battles. She is sssssoooooooooo good looking you lucky Bastard!! :) LOL
>
> Monte
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 18:48:08
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » Crazy Horse, posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 17:14:42
> LOL Sometimes I wish she would be ugly so I wouldn't miss the time I was more 'enjoying', ya know, our relation.. ;) kidding
>
> My Plan ? which plan ? You mean the one I just finished to try ? :D Total success buddy:
>
> 5mg Resume: Baseline = 140
>
> +8 points after 1 hour (BP 148)
> -8 points (baseline) 10 min later (BP 140)
> -8 in the hour that followed
>
> Leaving me with a BP 8 points UNDER my original baseline.
>
> ./--------/ \
> /---------\/|
> |::))):):)))):| |
> |::::)):))::):)| |
> |))::))):::)))| /
> ----------/
>
> Hey.. look!, I just ordered a full box of "Sm;)eys" materials on EBAY for when I'll top the Parnate mountain.. cause I plan to makes a lot of smiles :)
>
> It seems that, to me, Parnate is acting much like a virgin: you cannot go to score right on the first date! you got to make her laugh, warm her, tingle her, SHOW YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE YOUR TIME, TO WAIT etc... and just when she suspect it the less.. *BAAAAM! f**k her up to 150mg :D
>
>
> Marty
> 5 mg, Ooooookay, but every adventure got to start somewhere, right ? :D
Alright!!! That's very good news. Just keep schmoozing the "Virgin" and before you know it, She'll (Parnate) will make you feel REAL GOOD! What an analogy.
About relaxing with Annie :)...yea, i can DEFINITELY see why you want a "working wang" again. Have you ever tried viagra or one of the other E.D. meds before? Might be worth a try...dang, for her anything would be worth a try. :) Hopefully when the Big P kicks in "LOUIE'S LOG" will rise to the occasion and you can relax together for all eternity!! :)
Monte...your jealous friend.sniff! :)
Posted by Marty on April 23, 2006, at 20:53:02
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by Caedmon on April 23, 2006, at 17:14:31
Hi C
No I dont, my pdoc will not let me get some. And every pdoc in the place has been advice to not give some to their patients.
Marty
> Hi Marty, do you have an emergency hypertensive such as Thorazine or nifedipine? I think it might be a good thing to have around.
>
> Good luck!
>
> - C
Posted by Marty on April 23, 2006, at 20:59:48
In reply to Re: Nardil 2 Parnate - BP ~240 in less than 40 min, posted by Caedmon on April 23, 2006, at 16:59:46
Finally what I did is to stick with 5mg for a week. My bp is upped only by 8 points @ 1 hour.Good enough uh ? .. well see if my system can do with it with without extra bp .. then I'll take the decision if I up to 10mg.
What do you think of that ?
Marty
> I don't know if it's the Nardil or the Parnate reacting to itself (which it's known to do.) I agree with Scott's suggestion. And increase the dose SLOWLY.
>
> This is one of the reasons my doc has me on a painfully slow titration schedule, was in case I should be the sort of person to get a spontaneous hypertensive reaction or hypotension (and syncope) or whatever. It's all about going slow with my pdoc. So I took 10mg for two days, then 20 mg for a week, and THEN took 30mg.
>
> - C
Posted by Marty on April 23, 2006, at 22:47:15
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 18:48:08
> Alright!!! That's very good news. Just keep schmoozing the "Virgin" and before you know it, She'll (Parnate) will make you feel REAL GOOD! What an analogy.
LOL, yeah, where did you take those ?
> About relaxing with Annie :)...yea, i can DEFINITELY see why you want a "working wang" again. Have you ever tried viagra or one of the other E.D. meds before? Might be worth a try...dang, for her anything would be worth a try. :) Hopefully when the Big P kicks in "LOUIE'S LOG" will rise to the occasion and you can relax together for all eternity!! :)Yep tried Viagra, it works when the libido is there. But doesn`t bring back the sensibility.. so I'm becoming kind of a "girl tool" :P Can`t cum, hard for 7, 8 hours non stop... I've got a little reputation with girls in a friends circle .. with a coupple of beers I've got a lot of "So.. is it real for real ?" Being without a girlfriend in those times was a lot of fun :) but also a lot of frustration :(
> Monte...your jealous friend.sniff! :)AHAH, don't be.. just tell you that I just sended you a random girl picture from the web ;)
(NOT! :P ) I think I have a picture of us with our 3 cats and 1 chihuahua.. next timeMarty
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 24, 2006, at 8:12:00
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » Crazy Horse, posted by Marty on April 23, 2006, at 22:47:15
Hello "Girl Tool," LOL
Hey, your pdoc won't give you any nifedipine either...what's up with that? My doc say's, "I usually don't dispense an anti-hypertensives." Next time i saw him, I said I WANT SOMETHING JUST IN CASE!! He said he needed to research the best med for a crisis...F That!! I'm going in next week, and I'm going to DEMAND IT! I've got a wife and 2 young children...a stroke i do not want!
I wonder what he is dragging his feet about? What does your doc say is the reason for not giving you any?
Slept like crap last nite, that is the one thing i hate about Parnate, if you wake up to take a piss, you are up for the rest of the night. Not always, but it does happen. And, about once a week i don't sleep at all. But, you've got better sleep meds than i do....anyway...talk to you later Parn Star.
Crazy Horse Man :)
Posted by MARTY on April 24, 2006, at 12:39:20
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » Marty, posted by Crazy Horse on April 24, 2006, at 8:12:00
> Hello "Girl Tool," LOL
hey Crazy Horse Tool ;)
I've asked her 5 times for an antidote. She asked a couple of older Pdoc in the place and they all told her that it was more dangerous than helping. I think they fear we take it while having a good BP and drop into dangerouse hypotension / syncope.
I'm not sure what I think about this anymore. I know there have been death with nifidipine even in ER and they now recommend other meds by I.V.
Anyway, a thing is sure, if I'm in cars traffic with no where to go and a BP of 200+ I'll wish I had some in my pocket.
Marty
Btw, saw my new thread about my new Parnate problem ? feels pathetic to ask again for help, but here I am with another prob... here's the link, hope some people will answers me .. got the feeling nobody has nothing to say about this.
Hope your well buddy.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060423/msgs/636364.html
> Hey, your pdoc won't give you any nifedipine either...what's up with that? My doc say's, "I usually don't dispense an anti-hypertensives." Next time i saw him, I said I WANT SOMETHING JUST IN CASE!! He said he needed to research the best med for a crisis...F That!! I'm going in next week, and I'm going to DEMAND IT! I've got a wife and 2 young children...a stroke i do not want!
>
> I wonder what he is dragging his feet about? What does your doc say is the reason for not giving you any?
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> Slept like crap last nite, that is the one thing i hate about Parnate, if you wake up to take a piss, you are up for the rest of the night. Not always, but it does happen. And, about once a week i don't sleep at all. But, you've got better sleep meds than i do....anyway...talk to you later Parn Star.
>
> Crazy Horse Man :)
Posted by ed_uk on April 24, 2006, at 13:06:50
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 24, 2006, at 12:39:20
Hi Tools :)
Perhaps your pdocs would be ok about giving you a low dose of nifedipine, rather than a standard dose? How about asking for the 5mg caps?
Ed
Posted by MARTY on April 24, 2006, at 13:09:32
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY » MARTY, posted by ed_uk on April 24, 2006, at 13:06:50
That would be nice, but after asking 5 times I now know that she would not give me nifi even if I do a "mecanical" job for her ;)Marty
> Hi Tools :)
>
> Perhaps your pdocs would be ok about giving you a low dose of nifedipine, rather than a standard dose? How about asking for the 5mg caps?
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> Ed
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 24, 2006, at 13:27:28
In reply to Re: PARNATE vs MARTY, posted by MARTY on April 24, 2006, at 12:39:20
> > Hello "Girl Tool," LOL
>
> hey Crazy Horse Tool ;)
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> I've asked her 5 times for an antidote. She asked a couple of older Pdoc in the place and they all told her that it was more dangerous than helping. I think they fear we take it while having a good BP and drop into dangerouse hypotension / syncope.
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> I'm not sure what I think about this anymore. I know there have been death with nifidipine even in ER and they now recommend other meds by I.V.
>
> Anyway, a thing is sure, if I'm in cars traffic with no where to go and a BP of 200+ I'll wish I had some in my pocket.
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> Interesting...why don't they just tell us this? I was thinking the same thing..being stuck in traffic in the middle of nowhere, we'd be sh*t outa luck!I answered your other post..talk to ya later Louie. :)
Monte
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