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Posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
I wanted to bounce something off you guys. I've had trouble functioning sometimes not because I'm very depressed but more because cognitively I'm just slowed down. Over the years I've lost a certain sharpness as a result, I think, because of the depression. Sort of a secondary symptom caused by the first. To be specific, my memory is poor coming up with peoples names or simply just communicated with ease and always having the right word at hand. Nardil has been helping the depression but at times during the day my mind will cloud over and I won't be able to handle a phone call as easily as I did an hour ago. I may go up to 60mg of Nardil soon and maybe the depression with alleviate some more. I'm hoping that with depression gone the cognitive function will come back. I've alway wanted to try selegiline and phenylalanine for its supposed cognitive enhancing abilities. Can anyone else relate to feeling stupid?
Posted by gee on January 16, 2006, at 18:18:25
In reply to Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
I can totally relate. I hate the feeling. I'm on effexor and the feeling is so horrible that I'm going to start tapering off. I'm a student and my memory is kinda important when it comes to tests and what not. Trying to write tests can be torture because I can study for hours on end, but not remember anything when I get into the test. But the effexor has helped so much.
Posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2006, at 20:30:00
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gee on January 16, 2006, at 18:18:25
Another effexor success story. Just cut the dose slowly. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by shasling on January 16, 2006, at 22:17:55
In reply to Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
> I wanted to bounce something off you guys. I've had trouble functioning sometimes not because I'm very depressed but more because cognitively I'm just slowed down. Over the years I've lost a certain sharpness as a result, I think, because of the depression. Sort of a secondary symptom caused by the first. To be specific, my memory is poor coming up with peoples names or simply just communicated with ease and always having the right word at hand.
Nardil has been helping the depression but at times during the day my mind will cloud over and I won't be able to handle a phone call as easily as I did an hour ago. I may go up to 60mg of Nardil soon and maybe the depression with alleviate some more. I'm hoping that with depression gone the cognitive function will come back. I've alway wanted to try selegiline and phenylalanine for its supposed cognitive enhancing abilities. Can anyone else relate to feeling stupid?** Absolutely! In fact you have described it better than I can. Sometimes by mind seems to just stop making the memory connection. Inexplicably. One time at work I could not remember how many days were in a year, for crying out load. Had to call a friend to ask them. How old are you? I'm 46...
And doc's won't take it seriously: "We all forget names now and then...". Pat on the head.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 17, 2006, at 8:22:09
In reply to Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
I'm on 60 mg of Nardil (2+years) and 75 mg of Lamictal (3 months or so?). I'm having word finding and word substitution problems. And my grammar has gone out the window. The other day I said "I lookeded at it." Lookeded? What am I, three?
Not sure what's up with it, but I'm getting a bit concerned. I'm sure my pdoc will say it's not related, as I've been on this dose for awhile. But I can't remember when I started noticing it.
Grrr
gg
Posted by Sarah T. on January 19, 2006, at 1:15:17
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?--yep!, posted by gardenergirl on January 17, 2006, at 8:22:09
Hi GG,
Did you have word-finding difficulty before you added Lamictal? Do you think the Lamictal helps you?
Sarah
Posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 12:14:34
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by shasling on January 16, 2006, at 22:17:55
Here's some info. We certainly don't just need a pat on the head from our doctors. The impairment is real.
Executive Function
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16324752&query_hl=13&itool=pubmed_docsumCortisol and Cognition
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16279872&query_hl=13&itool=pubmed_docsumConscious attentional interference for words
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15884090&query_hl=21&itool=pubmed_DocSumSome reasons why we're impaired
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15586311&query_hl=21&itool=pubmed_DocSum
Posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 12:28:52
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone? info from pubmed, posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 12:14:34
Posted by shasling on January 19, 2006, at 12:52:22
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone? info from pubmed, posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 12:14:34
Posted by gardenergirl on January 19, 2006, at 12:57:33
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?--yep! » gardenergirl, posted by Sarah T. on January 19, 2006, at 1:15:17
I don't think I did. I do think Lamictal is helping. The last week or so I haven't had as much difficulty. I'm starting to wonder if it's stress and sleep related. I'm less stressed right now (on vacation) and I'm getting more sleep.
We'll see.
I'll have to check out those links.
gg
Posted by forgetful mary on January 19, 2006, at 19:33:51
In reply to Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
>It may be the new Nardil...that's what it's done to longtime users!!
I wanted to bounce something off you guys. I've had trouble functioning sometimes not because I'm very depressed but more because cognitively I'm just slowed down. Over the years I've lost a certain sharpness as a result, I think, because of the depression. Sort of a secondary symptom caused by the first. To be specific, my memory is poor coming up with peoples names or simply just communicated with ease and always having the right word at hand. Nardil has been helping the depression but at times during the day my mind will cloud over and I won't be able to handle a phone call as easily as I did an hour ago. I may go up to 60mg of Nardil soon and maybe the depression with alleviate some more. I'm hoping that with depression gone the cognitive function will come back. I've alway wanted to try selegiline and phenylalanine for its supposed cognitive enhancing abilities. Can anyone else relate to feeling stupid?
Posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 19:41:11
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by forgetful mary on January 19, 2006, at 19:33:51
>>It may be the new Nardil...that's what it's done to longtime users!!
I've only been on Nardil for 2 months, and if anything things have improved a bit cognitively. I couldn't speak for long time users. Is that anecdotal or has there been a study?
Posted by shasling on January 19, 2006, at 20:00:24
In reply to Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 16, 2006, at 8:37:02
> I wanted to bounce something off you guys. I've had trouble functioning sometimes not because I'm very depressed but more because cognitively I'm just slowed down. Over the years I've lost a certain sharpness as a result, I think, because of the depression. Sort of a secondary symptom caused by the first. To be specific, my memory is poor coming up with peoples names or simply just communicated with ease and always having the right word at hand. Nardil has been helping the depression but at times during the day my mind will cloud over and I won't be able to handle a phone call as easily as I did an hour ago. I may go up to 60mg of Nardil soon and maybe the depression with alleviate some more. I'm hoping that with depression gone the cognitive function will come back. I've alway wanted to try selegiline and phenylalanine for its supposed cognitive enhancing abilities. Can anyone else relate to feeling stupid?
I take DMAE every day and it helps. Also, my doc started me on hydergine. So mine is really much better now - I very rarely fall into that black cognitive hole anymore. There are lots of nootropics which would probably help, if you have a cooperative doc: aricept, memantine, piracetam etc... DMAE is OTC but still fairly effective.
Posted by forgetful mary on January 20, 2006, at 15:56:30
In reply to Re: Cognitive Trouble anyone?, posted by gibber on January 19, 2006, at 19:41:11
That is based onmy experience and other long time users on the Nardil action committee site.....Mine got so bad I feared I was getting alzheimers before realizing the drug had been changed.
> >>It may be the new Nardil...that's what it's done to longtime users!!
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> I've only been on Nardil for 2 months, and if anything things have improved a bit cognitively. I couldn't speak for long time users. Is that anecdotal or has there been a study?
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